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The first reference found outside of the Bible mentioning this darkness which fell over the land during the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, comes from a Samaritan historian named Thallus, who wrote around 52 A.D. His history was quoted by another early writer by the name of Julius Africanus who researched the topic of this darkness and wrote the following: “Upon the whole world there came a most fearful darkness. Many rocks were split in two by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. It seems very unreasonable to me that Thallus, in the third book of his histories, would try to explain away this darkness as an eclipse of the sun. For the Jews celebrate their Passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the death of our Savior falls on the day before the Passover. But an eclipse of the sun can only take place when the moon comes under the sun, how then could an eclipse have occurred when the moon is directly opposite the sun?” (Scientifically it is impossible to have a full moon on the same day that there is an eclipse of the sun.) Another first century historian who also mentions this darkness was Phlegon, who wrote a history entitled the "Olympiads.” Julius Africanus mentioned a quote taken from the Olympiads which said: “Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth . . . It is evident that he did not know of any such events in previous years.” Phlegon is also mentioned by Origen in his work ‘Against Celsus’ Book 2: “The darkening of the sun took place at the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus was crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place, Phlegon, I believe, has written an account in the thirteenth or fourteenth book of his Chronicles.
Originally posted by redbarron626
My question is, Why is it so hard to accept that the bible contains these references as they exist in a historical reference?
Originally posted by queenannie38
Originally posted by redbarron626
My question is, Why is it so hard to accept that the bible contains these references as they exist in a historical reference?
I think it is because if there is the slightest admission to any part of the bible being true in the sense of empirically substantiated objective fact, then the next admission must be to the possibility of other sorts of truth also contained therein.
You know?
A Common Flood Story
A retired professor and university dean, Stan Seidner argues that the Gabriel tablet reflects the Apocalyptic beliefs of the day, many which are found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as antecedent and predictive writings of Christianity. He also suggested the use of infra-red technological applications, similar to what had been utilized on Dead Sea Scroll Material in the recent past. Challenging Knohl’s “Two Messiahs” theory, Seidner noted that, “Knohl’s reliance upon what he calls, the ‘Glorification Hymn,’ in support of a first Messiah’s relationship with King Herod, failed in its Carbon 14 testing. It predates Herod’s ascendency to the throne by at least twelve years and as much as one hundred and fifty six.” However, he does agree with Knohl’s interpretation of the inscription,”to rise from the dead within three days.”
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Originally posted by queenannie38
Originally posted by redbarron626
My question is, Why is it so hard to accept that the bible contains these references as they exist in a historical reference?
I think it is because if there is the slightest admission to any part of the bible being true in the sense of empirically substantiated objective fact, then the next admission must be to the possibility of other sorts of truth also contained therein.
You know?
Yep. Just as if there is even the slightest contradiction or factual error, then it is possible that there are other mistakes made within - and then the question begs "which?"
That's why I always say, believe the Bible entirely, or don't believe it at all. It's foolish to cherry pick.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by SisyphusRide
Jesus is not God...