Cops Push Citizen, Then Arrest Him For Being Pushed

Originally posted by subfab
it's sad to see things like this.
i've known some guys who were very good police officers. unfortunately videos like this puts all police in a bad light.

we have to remember, not all police are bad. to those who are, we have avenues we can go down to bring them to justice. the court system knows police integrity with the public is important to maintaining law and order. our police are the foundation to our legislative house. once that goes, it all comes down.

-subfab

Id like to know what avenues you are talking about. That is new to me..


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reply to post by Darkchemistry


Well said. Most people are un aware of how to invoke their rights with the police or that they can even do so. Especially refusing warrant less search and seizure. One of my favorite things to do when stopped by the police, driving or walking, Is hold up my phone and say" You are being audio and video recorded and this is streaming live to the internet." Watch how their attitude changes instantly.
Most people dont know that if you are walking down the street and a police officer approaches you DO NOT have to speak to them. Nine times out of ten they will say " Can I talk to you for a minute" or "Come here so I can talk to you" This is there way of trying to get you to talk to them. Your answer should always be I do not wish to speak with you and am invoking my right to remain silent, this conversation is over. Followed by Am I being detained or am I free to go? You must learn to invoke your rights or they will be trampled on.
In Florida, it is perfectly legal to carry a loaded fire arm in your car as long as it is snapped in a holster or in the glove box or another latching enclosed area. I.E. the center console.No permit needed.Most police officers are unaware of this or choose to ignore it. Just a little tid bit of information I thought people should know.

Originally posted by subfab
it's sad to see things like this.
i've known some guys who were very good police officers. unfortunately videos like this puts all police in a bad light.

we have to remember, not all police are bad. to those who are, we have avenues we can go down to bring them to justice. the court system knows police integrity with the public is important to maintaining law and order. our police are the foundation to our legislative house. once that goes, it all comes down.

-subfab

Not all police are bad? If they look away when their brothers in blue abuse their perceived authority then they are as guilty as the bad ones. They are not exactly Serpicos by doing their job. They are just keeping their heads down until they can retire at 55 with their bloated pension and full benefits. This is not the definition of a 'good' cop this is the definition of a low side of average and there are too many returning war verterans for me to find you version of 'good' cops to be acceptable. the low to average cops should be replaced with 'execllent' to 'perfect' performance cops.

You will find that crime will drops when you don't have mad and medocher cops all too willing to inlawfully seize unoffending civilains and make up crimes about them.

The entire police force should be subject to a functional MRI* to reduce the number of psychopaths in the force.

I would like you to just reflect on the 'not all police are bad' analogy to a car (or in the case of a large city a plane.)
If just one of those many parts (piston, fuel line, oil pump, starter, steering, brakes, electrical ) doesn't work the safety of entire car, it's operator and innocent bystanders is compromised. Is this acceptable to you? Not all the parts are bad in fact most of them are 'good parts' How many times are you going to let that bad part let you down? You wouldn't you would remove** the bad part at the first sign of weakness and replace it with a new part so Why as taxpayers would we accept anything but 100% 'good' cops on a police force?


*psychcentral.com... *people.howstuffworks.com...

**As in dismiss not put behind a desk to wait out their time before they retire, there are not that many desks.

If this happened to me, and I was being charged with assaulting an officer, I would make it worth my while at least. Screaming "rape" while they're arresting me sounds fun. And if they started talking about charging me with resisting arrest, I actually would immediately start resisting.

I hate cops.

reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck


I dont like cops either. But I do support Peace officers and Law enforcement officers. Cops are crooks with badges, the latter are people who support and uphold the law and are doing their job correctly.

reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck

The only thing you do then is give them a reason to assault you. No one will help; people in such a situation are like casualty vampires, they slow down and stare like they are watching tv. When it's over they go back to sleep, much like all the rubbernecks on the interstate...back up traffic for miles because someone has a flat on the shoulder.

Invoke your rights; when and if they get trampled sue them for it. They will get reprimanded, possibly fired...sadly though only to end up moving to some other precinct to keep doing the same thing.

Use your rights; that way you won't be a statistical idiot, but a fighter for your and others freedom.

Originally posted by Darkchemistry. If it is at this point they can ask to search you by law for weapons, never resist but continue to say number 3. Notice if you have a concealed carry permit then you know the laws for this part. If you don't and have a gun with no permit; then you deserve jail...go the proper routes if you want to have a gun; people that have them without permits etc are criminals and cause strict gun laws, for everyone.

Not being sarcastic but what if you have a permit and no gun?
I know someone who sold home security systems and without a gun two years later received in the mail a gun permit. They considerd that it may or may not have been an identity theft or something like that but they have a permit and no gun.

This is exactly why ALL police activity should be taped by citizens. Who does this A hole think he is? And then the second A hole comes rushing over for the arrest? Where the hell is BatMan while this is going on? Cops #1 and #2 need removed from duty.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


You have a right to resist if you have done nothing wrong, even kill police if you believe your life is in danger. This is currently still in the constitution (until they amend it out eventually).

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


I was told I fit the description by a police officer one night for a burglary suspect. I had been out with 10+ friends celebrating a birthday at a bar the entire night. I told the cop he must be drunk to think I stole something. That comment got me tazered 13 times I had to be rushed to the hospital cause the cop then decided it would be fun to kick me in my head 4 times while I was laying on the ground. They decided to charge me with burglary, assault on a police officer, resisting arrest, and fleeing. They refused to allow any of my witnesses to give statements saying they didn't see the whole incident. They all walked out of the bar at the exact same time as I did. They would not give me a bail. So I sat in county jail for 2 months before they finally dropped all charges except fleeing law enforcement and then gave me a 4 months in jail as my sentence a class a misdemeanor and said time served. I learned that night that ALL cops are bad might not be bad people but as cops they all abuse the power they are given which means they ALL are bad cops. I had never been arrested up to that point and never since had 1 other interaction with law enforcement my entire life and it was a speeding ticket when I was 16. I learned that day to never trust a cop or to never call a cop even if they are needed i will not call them. I've had my car and house broken into and I just take it as a loss because I have no trust in law enforcement.

I know we all have rights and can sue the police for violating them, but 90% of the time, we have no way to PROVE our case, and end up with a bogus charge on our record or just have to take the abuse.

That is one reason the authorities are passing so many laws outlawing videotaping the police when in the public. It takes away just about the only means someone who has been wronged has of proving their innocence or their rights being violated.

If they have the right to film us whenever they please, then we have just as much right to film them.

Okay, so I hate law enforcement as much as the next person, but anyone who believes this video is an example of police brutality is an absolute retard. If you just listen to the audio, at About 7 or 8 seconds the camera pans to the left toward baldy, talking to another person of interest. At 10 seconds, if you listen to the audio, you hear mr. Blueberry say to dumbass with the glasses, "since you were here, I told you to step back, step back." billy badass didn't step back and that is why he is pushed and subsequently arrested. In my opinion, this dumbass deserved to go to jail. Tidbit of advise, if you hear the words "Step Back" and you're talking to police, you might wanna take a step or 2 back. Especially if alcohol is involved. Don't try to be a badass, especially if you're drunk.

He wasn't that close to him, and if that's an example of how he reacts in the public, then he has no right to wear that badge. Secondly, they were out in the open, if the cop wanted more elbow room he could have taken a step back himself. It wasn't exactly a push back either, that was more of a punch to the shoulder and it seemed like he wanted to provoke the guy he was questioning into reacting, just so they could lower the hammer on him.

Originally posted by Johncarter12345
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

I was told I fit the description by a police officer one night for a burglary suspect. I had been out with 10+ friends celebrating a birthday at a bar the entire night. I told the cop he must be drunk to think I stole something. That comment got me tazered 13 times I had to be rushed to the hospital cause the cop then decided it would be fun to kick me in my head 4 times while I was laying on the ground. They decided to charge me with burglary, assault on a police officer, resisting arrest, and fleeing. They refused to allow any of my witnesses to give statements saying they didn't see the whole incident. They all walked out of the bar at the exact same time as I did. They would not give me a bail. So I sat in county jail for 2 months before they finally dropped all charges except fleeing law enforcement and then gave me a 4 months in jail as my sentence a class a misdemeanor and said time served. I learned that night that ALL cops are bad might not be bad people but as cops they all abuse the power they are given which means they ALL are bad cops. I had never been arrested up to that point and never since had 1 other interaction with law enforcement my entire life and it was a speeding ticket when I was 16. I learned that day to never trust a cop or to never call a cop even if they are needed i will not call them. I've had my car and house broken into and I just take it as a loss because I have no trust in law enforcement.

Unfortunately many police and especially federal agencies are simply criminals themselves. They lie, cheat, steal, murder and tune people up every single day with impunity. Anyone who doesn't think this happens is just naive. When you, Joe Citizen dares to question one of the chosen ones, and doesn't instantly obey and prostate yourself, then you are looked at as a disobedient dog, you can see the hatred in their eyes at anyone who doesn't instantly submit.

They can enjoy their little reign of terror, and it is terrorism, for now. Soon they're going to have good reason to fear Joe Citizen. It's too bad that a FEW decent ones will be caught up in it, but they every chance to do something while the public were the ones getting hammered, when the tables turn, they turn.

I think government really believes that provoking the public to retaliate will allow them to gun grab or start enacting martial law more easily, I really don't think they realize just how fragile they are in end. I don't know, maybe I'm naive.

reply to post by USarmyFL


we have the state's constitution to protect us. we have rights.
the only bad part about it is, it is my opinion that you would need quite a bit of money to defend those rights. lawyers are expensive. court fees are expensive.

the high cost of defending your rights is the real problem here. not a small percentage of police officers taking their position too far. life would be different if defending your rights were affordable to everyone.

-subfab

You can have as much justice as you can afford.

Rights and constitutions don't mean much if the very ones sworn to uphold their purpose disregard them. It's right up there with the trust you give a priest and find out he buggered your little boy.

It's especially heinous when someone given a position of trust violates it to such an extent.

Originally posted by Darkchemistry
There are only three things you ever have to say to a cop.
1. Am I free to go.
2. I choose to remain silent.
3. I do not consent to a search.

The first question a cop asks you; is to try to get you to admit some guilt, that can later prove their case in court. The are not your friends, so do not talk to them. If they are talking to you they are conducting an investigation, and have no probable cause...your mouth can give them probable cause. When they ask the first question, say either 1 or 2. they will probably make some joke along the lines of are you a lawyer...now is a good time to say; am I free to go. By law they can ask to see your License, Insurance, and or registration when pulled over for a stop. Smells and anything in plain view can give them probable cause upon which they can ask for a search; in such a case say number 3. If it is at this point they can ask to search you by law for weapons, never resist but continue to say number 3. Notice if you have a concealed carry permit then you know the laws for this part. If you don't and have a gun with no permit; then you deserve jail...go the proper routes if you want to have a gun; people that have them without permits etc are criminals and cause strict gun laws, for everyone.

They cannot go into your pockets; unless they feel what seems to be a weapon; they can only pat you down. This is why number 3 is important; if they do go into your pockets, anything they extract that is not a weapon is an illegal seizure. They need a search warrant, as you have constitutional rights against search and seizure. To get around that they need a warrant.

If for some reason you do talk other than 1,2,3 invoke number 2 again at any time. Make sure the people with you know their rights and exercise them as well, cops separate people to try and dig out different stories; if all they get is 1,2, or 3. Then there is nothing that can be said against anyone present in a court of law. You do not ever have to open your door for police; if they can come in they will with a battering ram, they are like vampires they need permission that's why they always ask for the resident. You don't have to let them in if you open the door, unless they have a warrant. If they want too...say I do not consent and close the door. If they chased someone into your house they can enter however. But they cannot search for anything other than the person, once they have the person don't let them hang out in the house, direct them outside. If they want to question you invoke your rights.

Their shoulder Microphone is usually open, and everything being recorded.
If you stick to your resolve and keep invoking your rights, you should be on your way in less than 20 minutes according to the supreme court. If they write you a ticket; you do not have to stick around, you can roll the window up in their face if they keep talking and get back on the road; or just turn and walk away, if on foot.

Practice with friends and family make a game out of it, get your rights firm in mind and automatic. Then watch some reality cop shows, such as COPS or Campus PD...and see how they operate; see how the suspect responds; see how the suspect's responses dig themselves into a hole.

It's also the people that never invoke their rights; that breed these cops that think they are all powerful. Stay calm, always have your hands in view, never resist and always invoke your rights...while you still have them.

Some of the best advice I have ever found on ATS! Thank you DarkChemistry.
Sorry that you have had to learn the hard way, I guess.

There may be good eggs, but assuming that all are indoctrinated snake club members
seems to me like the only sound route to take (in light of what we all know, or at least should
know - www.cluesforum.info).

Know your rights, and insist on them at all times.
No one has any inate rights over you.

Thanks again DarkChemistry.

reply to post by pshea38

You're welcome; I have never been arrested, I learned my rights and have exercised them every time I have dealt with law enforcement. Fortunately, I didn't learn my rights the hard way like many do...as in; face down with a knee in the back of the neck, with taser probes stuck in their buttocks.

Dealing with situations as a rational intelligent human being; goes a long way they have that Batman utility belt, for people that intimidate or threaten their safety...and they will use it if anyone acts as an animal. Sadly, many of them think of citizens as animals; and will attack you without provocation if they can get away with it.

Some of my friends are professional skateboarders; and have been attacked and assaulted many times by law enforcement...even while being totally compliant with them. Unfortunately, there are cops that had psychological issues before they became cops...they were bullies in school, etc. and they use their positions in law enforcement to make up for feelings of insecurity/inferiority.

To the poster about guns laws...as I stated gun laws vary state by state. I don't know specific state laws; that's something you will have to research in your state. If you received a gun permit when you never applied for one; you should contact them...it could be a case of someone stealing your identity to buy a gun in your name. I wouldn't just shrug this off; if someone did use your information any crime they commit with a weapon under your name; leaves you in question. So make sure you investigate; why you received the permit, have there been any fire arms purchased using your permit information etc.