Hitler killed Jews, now Islamic extremists are killing people not like them

Is it just me or is this terrorism thing protecting us from getting our heads cut off?

Hitler killed jews because they were supposedly the enemy, they were tortured, used for human experiments, humiliated, raped, shot in the head, ect.

Now we have islamic fundamentalists who are killing the "infidels" (anybody who isn't muslim) in the name of allah. Are we being protected??

But i'm wondering why back then more countries came together to fight hitler's regime, but now I don't see other countries making a big deal out of this even though england got threatened, russia, japan, ect.. Why are we the only ones making a big deal out of it?

Isn't it obvious yet, these muslims leaders want to rule the world and make the world an islamic one?? Didn't anybody see that map they had on one of their websites? It showed the countries that aren't islamic, and the ones that were in 2004.. The ones that were islamic were in green, in 100 yrs from now, they marked all the countries in green...

I would say that its due partly to the fact that Muslims happen to have control over a good majorty of the oil trade. And another, hey these days if you are against fanatical Islam, or anything of the like the PC nuts and other people will brand you as racist.

If American took a tougher stance, like we should, on Islamic fanatics and attack them when they are in a Mosque bring the fight to them etc, the world and some Americans would percieve us as a racist hateful nation. This is war, if we know the enemey is in a chruch or mosque we should have every right to attack them. They have no regard for us or our buildings so why should we? If Osama was in a mosque and we knew he was in there, and we blew it up killing him. Instaed of praise I bet we'd get "Oh my God, America is evil they blew up a holy Muslim site" yadda yadda.

Ii don't get why some people would side with these sickos or defend their rights or views. The Jew were'nt the ones parading when 9/11 happened.

Europe and the rest of the world will not see fanatical Islam as a threat until its too late and its pathetic. These people are our enemey and we should bring an end to their idealology and the sadists who follow them.

You see it as Islam fighting a war against the West, they see it as the West fighting a war against Islam.

Who's right?
It all depends on your view point.

If you look at the number of Muslims killed at the hands of the western powers (including Israel) in the last 100 years, or even the last 10 years, it far exceeds the number of non-Muslims killed at the hands of Muslims.

The question is: Was Hitler fought because he was murdering the Jews or because of the military threat he posed to other nations?

The answer isn't quite popular but sad truth. Hitler wasn't fought because of the murder of Jews.

As a conclusion, you can't ask for the world to stand united "again" against genocide/killing the "infidels". The world never stood united on such a topic, it just sounds better in our history books

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dude, that sucks... I actually believe your statement... There was and is and always will be genocide in the world because of racial differences and religious differences.

I was just watching national geographic and apparantly not even 60 years ago, christian religion wanted to wipe the indian culture right off the map (IN THE US).
Indian children had to go to bording schools, they weren't allowed to dance, christians banned some of their dances, they couldn't sign certain songs, they wouldn't allow them to read certain books... This happened in America.



I know that bears, dogs, and pigs hang around with their own kind, just like giraffes do, does this go for the human species too? I haven't seen many muslims trying to make friends with whites or black, I see alot of white people hanging out with blacks and muslims, but how come muslims always keep to themselves? How come blacks have a deep hatred towards white people besides the reason given about slavery?

You know people from the states used to get kidnapped taken to morocco and sold as slaves? especially women and children?? white men would get dragged through the streets, tortured, humiliated, had their genitals cut off ect? These muslims took white people from america, ireland, scotland...
we don't dwell on it anymore? I don't think we demand reparations or anything.

chinese people hang around with chinese people, ect.. so are we just like animals? We don't like anybody who isn't of our kind??

Sometimes comparing humans to animals can explain our behaviour but I think what actually makes us the real meaning of "humans" is our ability to act against our nature and to think different.

I never understood why people feel anger for the sake of it against the muslim next door, the indian down the street or the greek that owns the restaurant on the other site of the street.
Probably, I would think different, born into another culture/place.

Ah well, that's a topic people wrote more than one book about


But about the muslims....I noticed that in most cases it is just uncertainty on their side. Approaching them like you do with friends creates a good atmosphere, I would call myself muslim compatible

It seems that this world has always been against Jews. They talk about the "jewish conspiracy" which is mostly an imaginary thing.

Oh so you think! Ashlar(ATS member) in my Why do Jews call themselves Jews really thinks the jews are out to control the world, they own hollywood, Washington, and are just plain evil! Now just add on about 200 million that think that and you have the middle east.

I believe our hatred of other people that would cause us to kill is psychological. Its basicly fear of the unknown and weak mindedness. Where are you most comfortable? Around your family or around people who you do not know? Now picture this.

1. You in a crowded place.
2. They are all a differnt race.
3. How do you feel?

And be honest. Most people are going to be uneasy espeicially when they are on their own.

Extemism (I'll use Islamic extremism as an example since its relevant to today), is lead by several thinking brains. These are the people who manipulate the relgion or belfies of others and convince them that people who are differnt are evil and must be purged. The Islamic extremists have targeted mainly Jews and Catholics seeing them as impure and that is why they suicde bomb Isreal and cut heads off. Its all psycholigcal and is based off of ignorance and fear.

Now I have seen white folk come along way and I get along with those of a differnt race, since I was not only brought up that way but I know it is silly to hate someone because of religion or skin color. I base my dislikes off of people's actions and personalities. But now I'm seeing some Muslims and blacks become where whites were in the 1800s and were for the most part racist. Blacks assumes all whites are racist and if they even like the Confederate flag, they are even worse. And Muslims for the most part hate Jews. I know a Muslim who is in my grade and he hates Jews and gays. He mocks them consitnly and supports the actions of Hamas. And the sad thing is, people go to his side. One thing I notice is that alot of white people today, espcially youth autumaticly side with blacks or Muslims because of their relgion/color, and think they are "cool". You will nto belive how many idolize thugs like 50 Cent and Mumia al-Jamal, and hate Jews. There are skin heads/punks who still think the Jews killed Christ and they must die for that and they've been saying that for years. Now not all blacks or Muslims are like that but many are.

And the whole Jewish/Zionist conspiracy is the biggest load of horse# I have ever heard. I can't belive people belive that :down:.

Originally posted by TrueLies
Isn't it obvious yet, these muslims leaders want to rule the world

www.newamericancentury.org...

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership

Hmmm.

Originally posted by AceOfBase
You see it as Islam fighting a war against the West, they see it as the West fighting a war against Islam.

Who's right?
It all depends on your view point.

If you look at the number of Muslims killed at the hands of the western powers (including Israel) in the last 100 years, or even the last 10 years, it far exceeds the number of non-Muslims killed at the hands of Muslims.

Really? Give me a reference for these numbers.
Tell me, of all these Muslims killed by the West, how many were killed because they were Muslim, say, in the last 10 years? How many were killed because they were Muslim in the last 100 years? State the wars or battles in both groups, please.

In the case of Muslims killed by Israel, would you mind pointing out the attacks against Muslims that were for the simple reason that they were Muslim, and not in retaliation to attacks against Israel.

Who's right, you say? Hitler had a point of view, too. Does that mean he was possibly right? What, do you think you're enlightened to try and say there are two sides to the coin? Does that fence post you try and perch upon cause you hemorroidal discomfort?

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Really? Give me a reference for these numbers.
Tell me, of all these Muslims killed by the West, how many were killed because they were Muslim, say, in the last 10 years? How many were killed because they were Muslim in the last 100 years? State the wars or battles in both groups, please.

In the case of Muslims killed by Israel, would you mind pointing out the attacks against Muslims that were for the simple reason that they were Muslim, and not in retaliation to attacks against Israel.

I didn't say they were killed just because they were Muslim, just that the number of Christians and Jews killed by Muslims is less than the number of Muslims who were killed by the West and Israel.

I'll post the numbers that I have on Muslims killed by non-Muslims, you can provide the numbers of non-Muslims killed by Muslims.
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Afghanistan:
1979-1989 Estimated 1 million civilians killed.
The leader of Afghanistan, the Soviet Backed Taraki, was overthrown by his prime minister Amin in September 1979.
In December of that same year, the Soviets launched a COUP of their own and replaced him with a Soviet friendly Karmal. The Afghans, with funds and arms supplied by the US, rose up against the Soviets and eventually expelled the Soviets in 1989. By that time, about a million Afgans had died. link

Zbigniew Brzezinski, a US National Security Adviser, called this the USSR's Vietnam. link
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Iraq:
1990-1991 Gulf War. Estimates range from 25 thousand to over 100,000 killed.
Saddam invades kuwait, US and International troops force him out in ground war and air campaign. There was one incident where troops buried Iraqi's in trenches, while some were still alive. link

2003-2004 Operation Iraqi Freedom. Estimates vary greatly but it's at least tens of thousands.
Saddam is accused of posessing WMD's, a US backed Coalition attacks, leading with a 'Shock and Awe' campaign and then progressing to a peacekeeping campaign after Saddam's defeat.
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Boznia-Herzegovina - 1992-1995 Anywhere from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands.
Slovenia and Croatia declared their independence from Yugoslavia resulting in civil war. Milosevic tried to suppress them through military action. Soon after, Bosnia declared independence, which was recognized by the US and European countries. Milosevic then tried to supress that through military action.
link

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Here's are some numbers on Palestians killed since Sept 2000.

link


You can also read up on this, although it doesn't give numbers:
93 years of bombing the Arabs

There's a very biased site here with a lot of inaccurate information:
link

I'll add to the list after you post some numbers.

This ties into Iraq. Iraq was a secular nation. Now without civic controls the place is getting to the point that all women regardless of denomination have to wear veils, and Muslim-based terror groups are having an absolute field day. This wouldn't have happened if the US had not invaded. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't know.

Originally posted by TrueLies
Isn't it obvious yet, these muslims leaders want to rule the world and make the world an islamic one??

this is a blatant lie. The last time I checked, no islamic country was launching a war of aggression against any western country. The situation is in fact the opposite.

Oh, and by the way, recently Iran held its largest wargames exercise ever, pretending to be fighting off an invading force. This is a timely show of force from Iran, and a good time to proclaim its commitment to defending itself should the US get any ideas.

Originally posted by earthtone

www.newamericancentury.org...

Hmmm.

You know... I hope you aren't hmmmmmmming that America has a lot of control over the rest of the world... I would like you to answer one question... "us" or "them?"