China Carrier Killer Threat: Mach 6 Speeds, No Way to Counter

reply to post by GhettoRice


As it currently stands it is capable, but obviously it is untested. The biggest problem is the munitions, the Aster missiles, I think it is a maybe, maybe not situation. The rest of the hardware on the Type-45 should handle the situation without a problem.

Also, don't forget the DF-21D has been designed with taking out the slower moving aircraft carriers, the Type-45 is a smaller, faster, much more manoeuvrable ship, could the DF-21D make enough corrections in time to hit it?

The only way we would know for certain whether or not the winner would be the Type-45 or the DF-21D would be for them to go head to head, and I pray that doesn't happen, for everyones sake.

Anyway, here is a couple more pics



This one shows the size of the bugger, it actually looks smaller in most other pics!

reply to post by salamanda


You dont know your history very well now the tibet thing is arguable.But in 1979 they invaded vietnam i guess you were not aware of this were you? its called the Third Indochina War it was a brief but bloody border war fought between the People's Republic of China and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, from February 17, 1979, to March 16, 1979.It was so bad the Russians bailed out the Vietnamese and china would not have stopped but for fear of it escalating to a war with Russia.

reply to post by Neocrusader


The more effective means of defense against such a missile attack that makes use of a 'blind spot' directly above it's target, would seem to be from space based weapons, using advanced tracking and targeting while the missile is at it's highest altitude.

Or, pairs of ships would each target the other's attacking missile, taking out the advantage of directly overhead attack vectors the missile would take.

For a start, I just want to say the DF-21D is deadly. It makes a successful intercept difficult but not (impossible) but very difficult.

To date, the conventional ASM threat has focused on three key integers - high velocity, high manoeuvrability, low signature - that have concerned various navies around the globe. Now, a newer, potentially more potent anti-ship capability has been developed by the Peoples Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). The challenge remaining, then, is to explore this system in detail - its validity and potency in the current naval environment - with access only to information within the public domain.
Many press outlets have reported the development of the ‘D’ variant of the Dong Feng 21 (DF-21D) anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), (NATO reporting name CSS-5), which is a missile equipped with what is believed to be a single manoeuvrable re-entry vehicle (MaRV), with the sole mission of striking ships at sea. DF-21 is a mobile, medium range ballistic missile that has reportedly achieved its initial operating capability (IOC).

www.defenceiq.com...

At sea the only known defence against the DF-21D is the aegis ballistic missile. I believe its called Aegis/SM3.

Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense

Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) is the sea-based component of the Missile Defense Agency’s Ballistic Missile Defense System (BMDS). Aegis BMD builds upon the Aegis Weapon System, Standard Missile, Navy and joint forces’ Command, Control and Communication systems. The Commander, Operational Test and Evaluation Force formally found Aegis BMD to be operationally effective and suitable. The Navy embraces BMD as a core mission. In recognition of its scalability, Aegis BMD/SM-3 system is a keystone in the Phased Adaptive Approach for missile defense in Europe.

There are 24 Aegis BMD combatants (5 cruisers [CGs] and 19 destroyers [DDGs]) in the U.S. Navy. Of the 24 ships, 16 are assigned to the Pacific Fleet and 8 to the Atlantic Fleet. The MDA and the Navy, working together, will increase the number of BMD capable ships to 32 by end of 2013.

www.mda.mil...

and dont forget America, has China, surrounded so even if the DF-21D gets of the ground it'll be detected. Can the US take them out. I dont know.
Also, Japan and Taiwan, use the Aegis BMD/SM-3 system not to mention whatever land-based missiles the Amercians and its Asian allies have.
End of the day, its a game changer alright.

hopfully the x3-7b will be abel to stop them

reply to post by jcarpenter


I can't believe you do not remember Tibet ?!? It covers most all the bases "they went on an empire building spree of false flags, illegal wars, occupations, murder, rape and theft"...

Well it's a very neat missile and very hard to be certain of an intercept - but then again China has the extremely vulnerable Three Georges Dam - I don't seriously believe they would ever try and take out a US carrier - just due to this vulnerabiity alone.

All they have to do is sit back and wait for the cultural implosion of the US to run it's course, whilst Russia does the same for Europe - if they want to expedite things, the comiong ME war will do the trick.

Originally posted by travis911
China is developing this insane super missile that can kill US carriers at will. It is called the DF-21D. It can be launched from over 1000 miles away, making US Carriers worthless in a war with China. The missile then comes down from the atmosphere at Mach 6 making use of most defenses worthless. I hope to bring this to light as this is a weapon that could spell doom for US forces in the future. We talk about wars on terror, but something like this is a real threat!

the-diplomat.com...

I am sure the evolution of warfare will lead US to put Telsa force fields over their carriers and assault machines in the future

Just remember... IF China does somehow overpower the U.S. and does decide to Occupy your country, they will not treat you like friends for being their E-Friend, or liking them on Facebook... So when they are murdering your children, and raping your women.... remember this.... you asked for it.

The simple fact about this is this. No-one knew we had stealthy helicopters til one crashed on the Osama raid.... what makes you think that we would disclose our capability to knock out a missle that is supposedly a game changer, if we knew that we could do it, but didn't want them pushing harder to make something better. I'm not saying that I KNOW we have something... but you would be naive to think that we don't. Odds are the test of the HPV was multi-faceted... it tested aerodynamics at speeds that have previously been out of the box..... so think what you want... I am going to enjoy my life to the last mushroom cloud....

Originally posted by Justwork
These missiles are known to be nearly impossible to intercept when in use. I feel it would be a good thing for China to send a few to Iran to ensure it can defend itself from American aggression and warmongering.

I was'nt going to reply, but your anti american attitude. well attitude in general makes me a little nauseous.

From the article itself.

The DF-21D isn’t necessarily a “game changer,” but it does add a dimension that wasn't there before.

Just some paragraphs that I pulled from the article. Not in any specific order.

It’s impossible to know in advance just how effective such a missile is likely to be in actual combat. However, the mere possibility that such a system might be effective is likely to affect the way in which the U.S. would operate its surface ships in a crisis or conflict with China. If nothing else, it will force fleet missile defenses to split their attention between anti-ship cruise missiles flying along just above the surface of the ocean and ballistic missiles coming in from overhead.

How all this would work in reality is impossible to know in advance. Even after China has tested its missile against an actual ship, it won’t have tested it against one employing the full range of countermeasures that a U.S. ship would throw at it and, as you say, the U.S. Navy will never have tested its defenses against such an attack. Somebody is likely to be surprised and disappointed, but there is no way of knowing who.

The U.S. arsenal has a variety of potential countermeasures, some of which I probably don’t even know about. The thing to keep in mind is that, in order for China to successfully attack a U.S. navy ship with a ballistic missile, it must first detect the ship, identify it as a U.S. warship of a type that it wishes to attack (e.g., an aircraft carrier), acquire a precise enough measurement of its location that a missile can be launched at it (i.e., a one-hour old satellite photograph is probably useless, as the ship could be 25 miles away from where it was when the picture was taken), and then provide mid-course updates to the missile. Finally, the warhead must lock onto and home in on the ship.

same link

Your take on the article is different than my take.

You make it seem as if there is nothing that can be done to counter this missile. Which is obvious from your posts.

It sounds like to me that although the US is concerned about this system, there are ways to take care of it.

I guess it is a matter of perspective.

Does it matter? If they have to shoot at a carrier than I'm pretty sure we will all be sucking dust.

The Russians already have missiles that can do that i believe.It wouldn't surprise me of the Russians are the ones who are helping China with them.

reply to post by 13th Zodiac


Thats one of the most advanced ships in the world.Some of its tech isn't even on Russian,U.S.,or Chinese ships.

reply to post by Jordan River



The Royal Navy was the greatest.

People get a grip and think. This is nothing more than an ICBM with a warhead that can maneuver to the target as long as it re-enters the Atmosphere close enough to the Carrier. Mach 6 is because its falling from Space. Nothing and I mean nothing that the SM-3 missile on every U.S. destroyer cant handle or did everyone just forget that is the Navy's missile defense system?

Every U.S. Carrier is protected with these Aegis Destroyers, lots of other support ships, Subs and its own fighter aircraft. Nothing will get through to the Carrier. You also need to remember that nothing short of a nuclear weapon detonated on the deck of one will sink it.

reply to post by LordDrakula


No not really , we have known about these for two years . Adjustments have been made But that is classified too you !

If China really wants to destroy the USA, all they have to do is quit shipping their stupid, cheap little plastic gizmos to us for a few months. The USA would collapse on itself.

Right now China needs buyers as badly as we want our stupid little gizmos. Why would they go to war with us? They would run out of capital really fast.

This makes no sense.

Originally posted by travis911
Most Chinese doctrine suggests for weapons like this to be effective it would need to offensive....

I would say that most military doctrine suggests for weapons to be effective it would need to be offensive!

I like how posts like this pull out all the crazies who (normally Americans) who start shouting at how blasphemous it would be for a nation other than the US to have some decent weapons! This is not directed at my boy Travis911 who I quoted but at other posts that have undertones of outrage.

We all know which nation in the world is causing them most suffering, the most bloodshed, the most death, throwing their military weight around the world with the most bases on foreign soil, the most torture ...

Originally posted by Schkeptick
If China really wants to destroy the USA, all they have to do is quit shipping their stupid, cheap little plastic gizmos to us for a few months. The USA would collapse on itself.

Right now China needs buyers as badly as we want our stupid little gizmos. Why would they go to war with us? They would run out of capital really fast.

This makes no sense.

It would also take a long time for China to run out of capital - just in dollars they hold about 3 trillion - moe than the US has. Not to mention their pounds, euros, gold ...

So either we stick a destroyer between the missle and the carrier since its their job anyway or we stay away from china.ill go with either one