Geoengineering - caught in the act?

reply to post by Iwinder


Seriously?

You thought that YouTube video was "good"??

When all it shows are normal contrails?

(Turning off the inane blather on the soundtrack helps).

Originally posted by ProudBird
They strive to NOT do that, as it's more a sign of their failure, but sometimes factors accumulate, and it just needs to be done as a means of flow management.

Of course ATC is not going to be directing commercial airlines to perform 360 turns repeatedly
during flight, certainly not with passengers aboard

Since you have refused to directly answer the question...

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Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Iwinder

 

Your welcome Iwinder, Far too many of us have seen the pattern making,
I personally have witnessed a grid on many occasion. There are only so many
that could be cleared to perform such manuevers. That would be quite a flight path
to submit, would it not?

Yes it would be quite the flight path to submit, you got me laughing here but this to me is a serious situation and like some posters here I never complain about having to post multiple times ...I will protest this crap for how ever long it takes.
Thanks BTS
Regards, Iwinder

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by Iwinder

 

Seriously?

You thought that YouTube video was "good"??

When all it shows are normal contrails?

(Turning off the inane blather on the soundtrack helps).

Actually I have mentioned in many posts and also directly to you in some threads here that I am deaf.
I kid you not, If you check my history there are many times I have to embarrass myself and ask for what the video contains because I cannot follow the sound track.

Have you ever heard about deaf people being more aware of their surroundings? I can attest to that because you don't want to walk in front of a car or bus......

Well what happens is you tend to really look around you and that includes up as well.

I am very aware of my surroundings, and always have been for that reason I do not miss much in the visual sense of things.

I am in tune to things that most people either choose to ignore or just don't see.
Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by burntheships

Of course ATC is not going to be directing commercial airlines to perform 360 turns repeatedly
during flight, certainly not with passengers aboard

Since you have refused to directly answer the question...

Arghhh!

I did fully answer your questions. Apparently, it's a comprehension failure that is not on my end.....

Yes, yes and yes again.....it is NOT uncommon for a passenger airliner to be told to make a 360° turn, every so often.

It is not an aerobatic maneuver.....it is done at a MAX 25° angle of bank....when up at altitude, usually less than that...about 15°. It is NO DIFFERENT from any other normal turn!! Only the duration f the turn.

EVERY airliner makes turns, during the course of every flight!!

A 360 is just one long continuous one, to "delay" the airplane. There are other ways, less "drastic"....."delay vectors"....these are just radar vectors on various headings to take you off-course, then eventually back on again. Re-routes can be assigned, sometimes. Airspeeds assigned...slower, faster.....but there is a limit to what that can achieve.....

.....maybe you need to meet in person some airline pilots somehow, and ASK THEM. Go hang out at a major airport, and then you can confirm that I know what the %*&# I'm talking about!!

(But, only if you're actually serious about REAL knowledge...not this "chemtrail" myth crap.....because, if you stick to this hoax 'belief', you will get nowhere in better understanding....)

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by burntheships

A "grid" is merely the result of multiple airplanes on intersecting courses! The "grid" is the result of several parallel contrails that occur due to the winds at altitude.

What airplanes? Commercial flights? Oh, could you please show me from flight
aware where actual flights crossed and made a "waffle" grid I'll be waiting for that one PB.

Originally posted by ProudBird

Yes, yes and yes again.....it is NOT uncommon for a passenger airliner to be told to make a 360° turn, every so often.

Yes, yes every so often. Like you said you found ONE example.

Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by ProudBird

Yes, yes and yes again.....it is NOT uncommon for a passenger airliner to be told to make a 360° turn, every so often.

Yes, yes every so often. Like you said you found ONE example.

Isn't "every so often" about the same frequency with which circular contrails are observed? So that's about right then.

I've seen a plane flying in loops for hours leaving long-lasting contrails. I've only seen it twice though.

contrailscience.com...

Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by burntheships

A "grid" is merely the result of multiple airplanes on intersecting courses! The "grid" is the result of several parallel contrails that occur due to the winds at altitude.

What airplanes? Commercial flights? Oh, could you please show me from flight
aware where actual flights crossed and made a "waffle" grid I'll be waiting for that one PB.

edit on 26-3-2012 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

You actually only need two intersecting flight paths, and a moderate wind. Check out this simulator that demonstrates how a grid can form:

contrailscience.com...

In reality you get more than two, and not evenly timed, so you rarely get such a neat grid.

reply to post by burntheships


Semantics, now? Is this the resort of desperation?:

Yes, yes every so often. Like you said you found ONE example.

One that I happened to be in the right place and time, when perusing on FlightAware, for another reason, in one tiny, tiny geographical portion of the USA....ONE that I found and then posted, as an example, with only a few minutes' work.

Yes. ONE example. Now, get a team together, and have them watch FlightAware 24/7 for a few months...and then you will have more examples.

I mean.....this is a joke, right?

reply to post by burntheships


Again, you aren't comprehending the dynamic nature of reality, and wind in motion, and contrails that can move with that wind??

What airplanes? Commercial flights? Oh, could you please show me from flight
aware where actual flights crossed and made a "waffle" grid I'll be waiting for that one PB.

The normal flight tracks on FlightAware will vary depending on the actual path traveled. As Uncinus showed, any one flight's full ground track can be displayed, at one time (I showed another, to describe the jet that made a "go around" at LAX the other day...posted in this thread).


If you want to see multiple flights' paths on one screen, then that would mean making the effort to combine the sources, and make them one image, then posting it. Certainly, those who are adept at the image manipulation skills could do it.

But again...the POINT is the wind, and how it affects the contrails, not the tracks, as recorded by radar, of the airplanes over the ground. TWO airplanes, on identical courses, would have almost identical ground tracks recorded. BUT, the contrails they each leave may NOT be nearly superimposed.....depending on wind direction and velocity.

Sorry, it is a very, very simple concept (for most of us, anyways....) to understand....

Originally posted by Uncinus
then.

I've seen a plane flying in loops for hours leaving long-lasting contrails. I've only seen it twice though.

Really, did you observe what was the aircraft performing these
manuevers? Hours of a looped flight?

reply to post by Iwinder


Those pics were taken at 7:30pm in the evening, but this is one I took today at 10:08 am this morning it is not the best from my phone but it does show a very blue sky....



These are the skies I have been seeing all weekend and at least for the next couple of days.

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Iwinder

 

Those pics were taken at 7:30pm in the evening, but this is one I took today at 10:08 am this morning it is not the best from my phone but it does show a very blue sky....

These are the skies I have been seeing all weekend and at least for the next couple of days.

That is not Azure or even deep blue but I do thank you for the picture.

You cannot say that "these skies will be the same for the next couple of days" that is improbable and you know it.

However your skies still look better than anything I have seen in the past ten years and I am not jesting.
Thanks for the pic and post.
Regards, Iwinder

Star for your effort to post pictures for us here.

reply to post by burntheships


Uncinus is referring to this image, from FlightAware:




That was a Boeing 727 owned by Raytheon, performing some airborne avionics testing.

A dedicated airplane for that purpose:

Live Leak

What is VOODOO1? It’s actually a plane owned by Raytheon, N289MT, a test plane that they use to test avionics equipment.

The B-727 was a long-time passenger airplane, but there are none currently in service in the USA for that purpose. The few that remain are privately owned, now.

Uncinus called the path the jet flew "loops", which again, is technically incorrect. Some will call that sort of flying "station keeping", or sometimes (slangily) "orbiting" or "orbits"......"loop" as slang doesn't work, from a pilot's perspective, as it infers what I described earlier.

Precision (or at least, "precise" slang) in terminology is important, and any imprecision leads to the continued perpetuation of this silly "chemtrail" myth and nonsense.

reply to post by Iwinder

You cannot say that "these skies will be the same for the next couple of days" that is improbable and you know it.

Actually I can it is called a weather forecast,and I don;t know where you get your weather from but where I get mine they are pretty spot on. And here is the five day forecast for my area...

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www.wsbtv.com...

Originally posted by ProudBird
Uncinus called the path the jet flew "loops", which again, is technically incorrect. Some will call that sort of flying "station keeping", or sometimes (slangily) "orbiting" or "orbits"......"loop" as slang doesn't work, from a pilot's perspective, as it infers what I described earlier.

Precision (or at least, "precise" slang) in terminology is important, and any imprecision leads to the continued perpetuation of this silly "chemtrail" myth and nonsense.

Which I'm very much against Sorry, I actually tried to think of a better word for a few seconds, but just fell back to "loop", which I use in the generic sense. I shall try to avoid it.

Originally posted by Uncinus

Originally posted by ProudBird
Uncinus called the path the jet flew "loops", which again, is technically incorrect. Some will call that sort of flying "station keeping", or sometimes (slangily) "orbiting" or "orbits"......"loop" as slang doesn't work, from a pilot's perspective, as it infers what I described earlier.

Precision (or at least, "precise" slang) in terminology is important, and any imprecision leads to the continued perpetuation of this silly "chemtrail" myth and nonsense.

Which I'm very much against

Sorry, I actually tried to think of a better word for a few seconds, but just fell back to "loop", which I use in the generic sense. I shall try to avoid it.

Hmmm you both seem so in sync with one another, its like your two in one.
What can I say?

For shame Unicus, now you have done it!
Really, you needed to apologize?

In any case, care to answer the question, what were the aircraft you observed?

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Iwinder

 

You cannot say that "these skies will be the same for the next couple of days" that is improbable and you know it.

Actually I can it is called a weather forecast,and I don;t know where you get your weather from but where I get mine they are pretty spot on. And here is the five day forecast for my area...

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You forgot to include the flight forecast....
That is always a factor here.
Regards, Iwinder


www.wsbtv.com...

A video for those who wish to keep an open mind, explores several
controversial reasons behind geoengineering aka chemtrails.

Iwinder, this one with you in mind, has a lot you can follow with the
wording.


www.youtube.com...