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End of days. Book of Revelations. Check this.

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posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 01:39 AM
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I found this site which has alot of info. Check out the watch television program link to check out there show.


jvim.com...

This site has alot of info on the book of revelations.

thanks.



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 06:18 AM
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Van Impe is a scam artist extradinaire. My mom used to watch this guy religiously. He woould backward mask albums, say Dungeons and Dragons is evil, and say the Tribulation of the Church(ie The End) is happening in 2001. As 2001 approached, and he saw nothing was going to happen, he changed from the Tribulation, to a large asteroid that was supposed to crash into the Earth. When that didn't happen, switched back again to the Messiah, his birth, and the impending doom for us all. What a crock.

On a side note: He did memorize the whole Bible though. Pretty cool.



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 08:05 AM
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Groupies:

The Apocalypse of Yohanon the Elder (whoever he was) is also known as the Book of Revelation.

SINGULAR. R-E-V-E-L-A-T-I-O-N with NO "S" ok???

Get it right.

It's bad enough the book is written in "howling" gramatically impossible Koine Greek----now you have to write bad English too?

Sheeeeeeesh!!!



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 08:26 AM
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There are plenty of other websites that deal with Revelation and end-times that you might find interesting and a bit more credible that jvim.


www.bible-prophecy.com...

www.raptureready.com...

www.rapturechrist.com...



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 10:56 AM
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I think the Antichrist really is Bill Gates, as well as being that of Kim Jong Ill, and Osama Bin Laden. A soul doesn't really sleep as such, it is definitely possible for a soul to inhibit more than one body at one time. The process of reincarnation speeded up. I do believe such a phenomenon occured during the 1940s as well with that of Reich Armanents Minister Albert Speer and General George C. Marshall since Marshall never did operate away from the Pentagon until after World War Two.

It would be prudent to not be ignorant about Microsoft being more than guilty than just lackluster products. They are scam artists of the highest calliber and and hardly as honourable as that of IBM or Lockheed Martin. "I am of the opinion that innovation has been slowed because of Microsoft. It has sucked $60 billion out of our industry that could have been used for innovation," said Novell CEO Jack Messman.

The real name of "the" Bill Gates is William Henry Gates III.
Nowadays he is known as Bill Gates (III), where "III" means the
order of third (3rd.)

By converting the letters of his current name to the ASCII-values
and adding his (III), you get the following:

B 66
I 73
L 76
L 76
G 71
A 65
T 84
E 69
S 83
+ 3
--------------
666 !!

Some might ask, "How did Bill Gates get so powerful?" Coincidence?
Or just the beginning of mankind's ultimate and total enslavement???

YOU decide!

Before you decide, consider the following:

M S - D O S 6 . 2 1
77+83+45+68+79+83+32+54+46+50+49 = 666

W I N D O W S 9 5
87+73+78+68+79+87+83+57+53+1 = 666

[edit on 21-9-2004 by risitar]

[edit on 21-9-2004 by risitar]



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Amadeus

SINGULAR. R-E-V-E-L-A-T-I-O-N with NO "S" ok???

Get it right.

It's bad enough the book is written in "howling" gramatically impossible Koine Greek----now you have to write bad English too?

Sheeeeeeesh!!!



your a jerk.



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by nathraq
Van Impe is a scam artist extradinaire.


he is a good man.



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 01:43 PM
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I didn't say he was a bad man.....

Just that he, and his wife Roxella( who has aged rather badly, I'm sad to say), are doomsday prophets who make a living on putting fear into people.



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 01:49 PM
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risitar > I really hope your not putting any stock into the numbers-game as far as doomsday prophecies and such goes. the fact of the matter is if you look long enough for a certain pattern ( 666 for example ) you begin to shut out things other than that pattern till you become so obsessed with it that you see it everywhere. The numbers thing is a load of BS, if you look longenough at any set of numbers you can find any pattern in it you wish, its just a matter of time.



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 02:09 PM
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Hi ET:

What planet are you from?

Your silly link on The Apocalypse of Yohanon the Elder was written by uneducated twits writing for other uneducated twits who don't even bother to study enough basic Greek even to recognise the fact that the book is written in bad Greek to start with !

While we're on the subject of nitwits, I believe the correct expression of your post to me should in fact read:

"You're a jerk"

The first word in that quotation above is a contraction form in American English for "you are".

The adjective "your" means "belonging to you" without the contraction.

Just a little FYI



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 03:07 PM
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If you want a serious study of the book of revelation, study the sybilline books first. this is the origin of the book of revelation. Sybilline books are the writings of women that lived in caves roughly 500 years before the advent of the commen Era (BCE).
Roman society used these books as Prophecy, when Emperor Constantine ordained Christianity (326 AD) as the state sanctioned religion, the sybilline books were adapted as the book of revelation, and the original sybilline books destroyed.
There is Much in the Bible that comes from earlier writings, which the church then borrowed, stole, plagiarized, etc. Usually the church would burn the originals, or evidence of the originals, including people were burned and or scattered.
The Hebrew Alphabet itself is taken from the Phoenician, almost to the letter. There are many stories that were taken from the phoenician culture and adapted to hebrew when this occured.
This does not negate anyones beliefs, or salvation. but it is Historical



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 06:08 PM
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Hi Toolmaker:

Since we are now in the 10 day period between Rosh Hashannah and Yom Kippur, now might be a time to discuss the Imagery in the Book of Revelation in a little more detail for those on this thread that care to listen in.

Most "Christians" who even bother to read the Bookof Revelatioin today are unaware of the source material parallels that we find throughout this book (whose title is officially, The Apocalypse of Yohanon the Elder,) nor are they conversant about the Liturgy 2nd Temple Period or the 1st Jewish War against Rome which provides the historical underpinning to this book--and thus are unable to spot the exact parallels which the author is drawing from to make his "Apocalyptic" points and message.

Toolmaker, what makes you think the Apocalypse of Yohanon the Elder (whoever he was) was basing his rather messy hotchpotch of visions on the Sybilline Oracles, in particular ?

Feel free to list these in your response to this.

First, HERE is SOME BACKGROUND on the Jewish 2nd TEMPLE LITURGY (BC 167 to AD 68) which is the main source for much of the book's structure and contents.

The Jewish Feast of Trumpets/Rosh Hashannah and the 2nd Temple Liturgy and Tamidim Psalms in general form the core of cores for most of the imagery that we come across in this book

Notice how the "visions" start with the Blowing of the Ram's horn on the "Lord's Day" i.e the 1st day of the week, what we today would call a Sunday.

The Jewish Feast of Rosh Hashanah IS ALSO KNOWN as YOM HA'DIN, the DAY OF JUDGMENT when (according to Rabinninc literature and the Dead Sea Scrolls) every year YHWH determines WHO WILL BE INSCRIBED IIN THE BOOK OF LIFE (Sefer Hayyim) and WHO WILL BE INSCRIBED IN THE BOOK OF THOSE DESTINED FOR DESTRUCTION for the coming year.

Also according to Rabbinic lore, a harsh legal decision is made on Rosh Ha Shannah (New Year) AND SEALED 10 DAYS LATER AT THE CONCLUSION OF YOM KIPPUR.

During this 10 day period in the 2nd Temple period, VISIONS of the Future were thought to have been given to the faithful ---in this case Yohanon the Elder, whoever he was---where one's behavioiur during this interim period can ALTER a harsh decrees of YHWH--and thus these 10 days are known collectively as THE TEN DAYS OF REPENTENCE (Aseret Yemei Teshuvah): these were sometimes later called THE 10- DAYS OF AWE.

This 10 day cycle OPENS WITH THE LIGHTING OF SEVEN CANDLES (sound familiar?) : after the Arvit service, it is customary for the faithful to wish one another "Shannah Tovah tehatem ve-Tikatev" = MAY YOU BE INSCRIBED AND SEALED FOR ONE MORE YEAR (sound familiar? "and I looked and behold, the Angel sealed the 144,000 of the faithful...")

IT WAS ALSO CUSTOMARY FOR BELIEVERS TO EAT BREAD DIPPED IN HONEY with the words, "May it be your Will O YHWH (adonai) to grant us a good and sweet coming year..." (sound familiar? And the Angel said to me, take this scroll and Eat it: and I did eat and to my mouth it tasted as honey---but it burned as acid in my stomach!" cf: Hezekiel's scroll written both on front and back which he had to eat as well, which "tasted as honeycomb")

Certainly the conscious imagery of the Herodian Temple (the focus of the Jewish War against Rome in AD 66-72) would have been the more obvious source for :

l. the numerous blocks of chanting of Temple Liturgy Psalms by 24 Levites in White Linen,
2. the fallng down/bowing before the Throne of Heaven of the 24 Levites
3. the Silence in the Temple as the Ark of the Testimony is opened
4. Smoke filling the Tabernacle
5. all the Burning of Incense on the Altar of YHWH, and the Censors
6. the usage of the conscious exact verbal images taken straight out of the 7 Daily TAMIDIM --aka the Temple Service Psalms (mornng and evening sacrificial psalms sung Sunday through Saturday) = Psalms 24,, 48, 82, 94, 81, 93 and 92,
7. The Measuring of the Temple and its 12 gates and the mention of the Courtyard and the Court of the Gentiles (occupied by the Romans)
8. the Sacrifice of the Slain Lamb,
9. The 24 Levites playing their Golden Harps(representing the 24 Leviticial priestly families of 2nd Temple Judaeism)
10. The Seven Branched Menorah or SEVEN BRIGHT LAMPS (cf: the one in the 2nd Temple) where one Like Unto a Son of Man appears to John
11. The golden crown /mitres of the High Priest placed on the heads of each of the 24 elders
12. A voice coming from under the Altar of YHWH
13. the Seven Archangels in White Linen of the Priests, each with GOLDEN EPHODS
14. The 12 precious stones of the New Jerusalem City-Temple made out of the same 12 precious stones of the High Priest's Breastplate (Heb. 'qozen)
15. the Gates and measurements of the New Jerusalem being a perfect CUBE i.e. the Holy of Holies in the 2nd Temple which was also a perfect CUBE in shape
16. The River of Water flowing out from under the Altar of YHWH (cf; the sacrificial water drains of the 2nd Temple)
17. the SON OF MAN appears to Yohanon clothed with an Ephod of the High Priest and a GOLDEN GIRDLE from the midst of the Menorah

and several dozen other intimate references to the 2nd TEMPLE in Jerusalem.

Although we cannot be sure if this book was ever completed, (we can see that in its present form, it certainly appears to be a hotchpotch, i.e. not very polished), we can see that the author (whoever he was) was VERY INTIMATE with the LITURGY OF THE 2nd Temple priesthood (like the author of Hebrews, whoever he was)--and to ignore out of hand all the 2nd Temple cult imagery in the Book of Revelation is to overlook a great deal of the Jigsaw puzzle.

Let me have a similar list of parallels with the Sybilline Oracles, since you seem to think they also played a part in the images used here:

Other purely LITERARY sources seem to have included many of the texts found among the Dead Sea Scrolls including many peculiarly Aramaic Targum translations of the Old Testament passages:

Various EXODUS PLAGUES of EGYPT (hail, fire, darkness, boils, blood etc.)
Deutero-Zechariah (chapters 9-14)
The Testaments of Levi and Judah
The Odes of Solomon
The Apocalypse of Abraham
The Book of the prophet Malachi chapters 1, 2 and 3
The Pslams of Solomon
Daniel chapters 7 through 12
The Book of Jubilees
The Assumption of Moses
I Henoch chapters 1-36
I Henoch chapters 72-106
Joel chapters 1, 2 and 3
and the Book of the prophet Hezekiel, especially the chapters 38 to 48

A good exercise would be to read over the exact wording of the TAMIDIM PSALMS (Weekly 2nd Temple Hymns) (Psalms 24, 48, 82, 94, 81 93 92)

Here are some random samples:

e.g. "Walk around Zion, Measure its Ramparts, Count its Towers, Consider its gates, etc. How Long will the Righteous Ones Suffer, Render Thanks to YHWH with the harps, The City of EL shall be forever, Open thy Mouth Wide: I shall fill thy Belly,Arise, O EL to Judge the Earth, for Lo, the Wicked Ones gather themselves against the Souls of the Righteous Ones, Great is YHWH upon his holy Mountain, Vengeance belongeth to YHWH, EL judgeth the Gentiles amongst all the gods, Delivery O YHWH the afflicted ones from the Grip of the Wicked, The Wicked who flourish shall all die in Judgment, Blessed is the Martyr whom YHWH chastiseth, Who shall ascend the Hill of YHWH? Only the Righteous with pure hands and a clean heart, the VOICE of YHWH is mightier than the Great Waters, Lo, the foundations of the earth shall shake, The Kings of the Gentiles are mortal...each shall fall) etc.

Surely you can see all the close parallels in images and wording in these Weekly Psalms contained inside the images throughout the core of the Book of Revelation?

There's much more to write on this subject, but this thread has gotten far too long for one posting.....again !



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 07:28 PM
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Hello Amadeus, nice to meet you. it may very well be that revelation was brought together from many sources, but if you read these books it is strikingly simalar to what revelations lays out.
Revelations was the book that caused the most trouble at the council of Nicea, very few of the powers there wanted this book included in the Bible. It took a lot of compromise and arm twisting to get this book adapted, including the destruction of the original sibylline books.

The original Sibylline Books were closely-guarded oracular scrolls written by prophetic priestesses (the Sibylls) in the Etruscan and early Roman Era as far back as the 6th Century B.C.E. These books were destroyed, partially in a fire in 83 B.C.E., and finally burned by order of Constantine, (C.350 AD, after Christianity was ordained Roman religion in 326)

They purport to predict events which were already history or mythological history at the time of composition, as well as vague all-purpose predictions, especially woe for various cities and countries such as Rome and Assyria. They are an odd pastiche of Hellenistic and Roman Pagan mythology, including Homer and Hesiod; Jewish legends such as the Garden of Eden, Noah and the Tower of Babel; thinly veiled references to historical figures such as Alexander the Great and Cleopatra, as well as a long list of Roman Emperors; and last but not least, Gnostic and early Christian homilies and eschatological writings, all in no particular order. There may be actual residue of the original Sibylline books wedged in here and there.

As prophecy, the Pseudo-Sibyllines never rise to the level of Nostradamus. However they are a gold mine for students of Classical mythology and early first millenium Jewish, Gnostic and Christian beliefs. Notable are apocalyptic passages scattered throughout which at times seem like a first draft of the Biblical Book of Revelation. The Pseudo-Sibyllines were referenced by the early Church fathers and in one instance have a Christian code-phrase in successive first letters on each line (an 'acrostic'). These books, in spite of their Pagan content, have been described as part of the Apocrypha, although they do not appear on any of the canonical lists.

This is a shortened version of what the sibylline books are / were. Most knowledge in this age was borrowed from another culture or source, Might made Right back then.
in any case they are a fascinating read for anyone, and it puts revelations into perspective. it may also be that Yohanon the elder borrowed phrases and concepts from the sibyll sect. The sibylls were quite powerfull from 600 BCE to just before the time of Christ.



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by nathraq
I'm sad to say), are doomsday prophets who make a living on putting fear into people.


They preach the comming of the lord which is a good thing. People should not fear nothing, not even the stupid devil himself. There will be no end of the world, but there will be a horrible war before its over.

So to get back to the point they dont preach fear, because all of these things must come to pass...



posted on Sep, 21 2004 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Amadeus
Hi ET:

What planet are you from?

Your silly link on The Apocalypse of Yohanon the Elder was written by uneducated twits writing for other uneducated twits who don't even bother to study enough basic Greek even to recognise the fact that the book is written in bad Greek to start with !

While we're on the subject of nitwits, I believe the correct expression of your post to me should in fact read:

"You're a jerk"

The first word in that quotation above is a contraction form in American English for "you are".

The adjective "your" means "belonging to you" without the contraction.

Just a little FYI


Thanks for the grammer lesson. Could always use knowledge.



posted on Oct, 1 2004 @ 12:38 AM
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There is a new show to watch. Thanks.




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