Australian Children To Be Sterilized Without Parental Consent Under New Eugenics Laws

This is total non-sense, I don't believe a word of it.

As for the people saying these kids need to be put out of there misery don't you think thats cruel?

We aren't bloody animals, we are humans. I take it you don't value human life much do you?
I bet you would like to torture/kill someone just for the plain fun of it. Keeping these people with metal illness alive is no burden its made jobs, with out these jobs the government would just be keeping the money they spend on the mental health system and blowing it on their own pay rises.

Autism is not as bad as you make it out to be. I know people with Autism and they are doing quite fine in society.

I can't believe you would wanna put another human with out consent to death for no reason because you have this mentally that they are a burden.

Come back when you are a human, with empathy.

Ubermensch,
Technically you may have a minor point.
But we are human beings.
The Spartans had their reasons but they are really no longer valid ones.....
What you propose would have killed Stephen Hawking at birth.
You really must go back in time and see what these useless feeders have conributed to our world.
The other side of the argument is that we are human, and that means we are capable of compassion and
the ability to love.
We see many lives enriched by the example of these people you would have slain at birth....I am sure none of them would be all that willing to die just so you can have more food ......
The efforts of science have brought relief to many of these DIFFERENTLY ABLED souls, and the work is ongoing....much of the problems will eventually be worked out with pre born surgery and treatment while still a fetus....other problems will take a longer time to address, but we will do this ......these people are ours... and they deserve the same chances that every other soul gets to BE.
Would you agree to have yourself sterilized?
Perhaps we could go that route with people of your persuasion.....
nobody has the right to do such things to anyone....

Biggest load of BS I've heard. And I haven't heard of it yet.
Before anything like this could be implemented there would be a bill that would need to be passed not to mention a referendum.

This is all make believe stuff and the op has read something about something that may have been mentioned by nobody with any credible evidence.

If it were to happen, us Aussies wouldn't cop it..

So, to the op. Did you just read this and then thought you'd post this on ATS for some sort of recognition?

This is why I say that there are too many "Story Tellers" on ATS..

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Your seriously gonna start this thread:

Is Talmud Evil

Then condone the MURDERING of Human life for the sake of 'ending their misery' calling Talmud Evil because the things Talmud Condones, Hypocrite much??....11+ Million Slaughtered by Hitler during the Holocaust and many of those were mentally impaired, it was thinking like yours that fueled the Holocaust to 'weed and breed out the flawed people to end their misery and the families of having to suffer taking care of them' it's a superiority flaw just like those of Zionism have and Nazism have. It's attitudes like yours that fuel mass murder. It's not our right to decide death for anyone period.

Eugenicists are the scum of the Earth, and it's attitudes like a Eugenicists that fuel mass genocide.....I have a limp want me put out of my misery? I'm deaf in 1 ear, wanna put me out of my misery? Sometimes I stutter which apparently is a sign of a mental disorder, wanna put me out of my misery? When does that type of thinking stop?

It's not your choice nor anyones choice of who lives and who dies. Only Eugenicists condone things like this.

Originally posted by theubermensch
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And do you have anything to offer other than insults?

The Spartans were smart to do what they did. It makes their gene pool stronger. All we are doing by being so sentimental over human life is making the human race weaker.

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If thats the goal, then there is simply no need for eugenics as you propose it. Sooner or later, we will have the ability to alter our genetic code, and deletrious alelles will be a thing of the past. Altrough I dont think such "designer babies" will be possible sooner than in 50-100 years, and common even later, its still far sooner than doing so only by altering the evolutionary selection function.

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Having freed ourselves from most of the burdens and laws of nature, including those which allow for it to be self-sustaining, we must wonder how long we can continue shoving the problems we have created under the bed before they begin to take a toll on us.

We in modern society have risen above natural selection, now we MUST, and I repeat, MUST, find a way to make up for the imbalance of the ratio of life:death and devolution which is taking place, or continue on this path to our own peril. It's really not a matter of ethics, though ethically it is horrifying. Measures need to be taken to prevent overpopulation and habitat destruction, otherwise we will pay dearly in the long rung.

I suppose the argument is the following:
"We have to do something awful"
"But it's wrong and I don't like it!"
"But if we don't, our planet is going to die"
"But it's wrong and Hitler advocated it!"

So what if Hitler advocated it, or if it is wrong. Though eugenics, like any institution, can be corrupt and of bad intent, it is a necessity unless we are to return to a more basic way of living in which nature takes care of eugenics for us.

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I guess you are saying we can't have things both ways. We can't sustain the biosphere living outside of the natural cycles without putting our own controls into place, like eugenics. The problem is, humans don't have enough knowledge to be able to judge who is more fit to survive. Human judgment cannot predict which traits are actually more valuable than others. Our limited scope of understanding combined with greed and personal preferences would have us make huge mistakes. If our wisdom was so great, we wouldn't have the perceived need for eugenics in the first place.

I work as a a disability support worker in Australia and have done so for years. This has always been the case. It rarely ever happens. I dont believe i have seen more than 1 case of it since I have been in the industry. Many children had by mentally impaired individuals are taken from them at birth though.

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My sister works as one too.

Some of here clients are interesting from the stories she tells.

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interesting is one way to put it lol I work mostly with people who have severe autism or very intense behavioral problems. I have been thinking of writing a book about my experiences but i dont believe the companies i have worked for would like that very much.

Originally posted by chooselove
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interesting is one way to put it lol I work mostly with people who have severe autism or very intense behavioral problems. I have been thinking of writing a book about my experiences but i dont believe the companies i have worked for would like that very much.

Publish anonymously. Would be a good book also could lead some where different in your career.
My sisters got a few plans in the disability sector she wants to setup. but won't disclose until she does.

Lots of moderating going on in this thread.

My 2 cents.

The difference between humans and animals, is a human will share food with other humans, and maybe even the cat or dog if they can do it without wifey seeing them. Humans take care of each other, especially the weak and helpless.

If this is true, is is very wrong.

I doubt it is true.

But then again, I can not believe how they are shredding our own constitution here...

Amraks says: “As for the people saying these kids need to be put out of there misery don't you think thats cruel?”
*****No, in most cases it is cruel to keep them alive.

“We aren't bloody animals, we are humans. I take it you don't value human life much do you?”
*****We have more compassion for animals, don’t we?

“I bet you would like to torture/kill someone just for the plain fun of it.”
*****You are making unfounded assumptions. Maybe a reflection of your own feelings?

“Keeping these people with metal illness alive is no burden its made jobs, with out these jobs the government would just be keeping the money they spend on the mental health system and blowing it on their own pay rises.”
*****It ties up care-givers whose resources could be better used working with people who can get well.

“Autism is not as bad as you make it out to be. I know people with Autism and they are doing quite fine in society.”
*******Some of them do OK, but others must be institutionalized.

“I can't believe you would wanna put another human with out consent to death for no reason because you have this mentally that they are a burden.”
*****Are you forgetting that they are also a mental, emotional and physical burden to their parents who may have healthy children to give their energy to?

Stirling, I believe that Stephen Hawking was born normal, but became disabled because of polio.

The practice of Eugenics is coming.
Get used to it.
It is necessary.
What is it they say?…..All truth is at first ridiculed and then vigorously denied, and finally accepted.

Seems to me Australia has changed.
Too much chunder by the men (look it up.)
Too much roar by the women.
Guns are gone.
Nobody is saying "G'day mate" any more.
Can't cuss anymore without being fined or going to jail.
Everybody is probably staying stoned and nobody is paying attention down there.

'course I could be wrong.

FYI:
The much revered & respected Justice of the U.S. Sup. Ct., Oliver W. Holmes stated in Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927): “It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind [...] three generations of imbeciles are enough.”
That ruling UPHELD a statute instituting compulsory sterilization of the unfit.
Welcome to America!

Yes indeed. I am getting more and more convinced everyday Yah needs to hit the delete button on the human race. One article here posted a few days ago about killing newborn babies because theyre not actual people and have no "moral right" to life, and now this chemical castration and eugenics crap? I can see humanity sliding face first into hell. If the Restrainer hasn't been removed he isn't far from leaving.

Hitler was big into eugenics too, 6-7 million jews dead, 19 million christians. Looks like someone is trying restart his Arryan program again.

"By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes" - Willam Shakespeare "Hamlet"

Originally posted by theubermensch
These people need to be weeded out. They are a drain on society.

Have you got anything to do with Louise Mensch currently of the Conservative Party ?

Since you are the thread by now , I'd have liked to have read what the others said. Besides that naturalnews is NOT normally a good source .

I will pull the same card I think people should realise more, and it is the one about national socialism , or social nationalism . Its exactly what is going on and being encouraged all the time . Obama , typical of it .
We'll all be little Hitlers then , without even knowing it . Bollocks to national socialism , just to put it in a soundbite for you .

As far as mental health goes there are massive issue s being ignored . What is happening in this field is truly frightening and deserves a second and third look by all those who have actually got the stomach for it .

CONSENT IS A FUNDAMENTAL MEDICAL ETHIC _

I suggest we humans keep this fact in clear view at all times .

Originally posted by LedaOhio
FYI:
The much revered & respected Justice of the U.S. Sup. Ct., Oliver W. Holmes stated in Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927): “It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind [...] three generations of imbeciles are enough.”
That ruling UPHELD a statute instituting compulsory sterilization of the unfit.
Welcome to America!

Didn't Hitler mention something like that...just in passing?

Originally posted by Nite_wing

Originally posted by LedaOhio
FYI:
The much revered & respected Justice of the U.S. Sup. Ct., Oliver W. Holmes stated in Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927): “It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind [...] three generations of imbeciles are enough.”
That ruling UPHELD a statute instituting compulsory sterilization of the unfit.
Welcome to America!

Didn't Hitler mention something like that...just in passing?

Many people live under the misapprehension that the tenets of Eugenics were developed under the Third Reich of Nazi Germany. The reality is that the Germans imported it from AMERICA, where it had it's roots.

While arguments can be made both in favor of, and against, Eugenics and forced (State sponsored) sterilization in an over-populated world, the sick, sad truth beneath the patina of "the science" behind it is the fear in the Caucasian mind that their own numbers are dwindling.

The problem with Eugenics lies in the fact that "lesser minds" cannot be trusted to honestly interpret the meaning of the word, "UNFIT".

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Where did you ever come up with that idea regarding caucasians? Sounds racist to me but then I am not too politically correct at times.