God is a Mass Murder

Religon, im my opinion, is human made. I no doubt whatsoever that this is the case. There simply is no evidence, none!

There is a reason why religon sprang up years ago. It was a time when natural things were happening, and they did not inderstand it. So they put it down to something divine. Also, religon is a great way to control people and get what you want. Also, its comforting to believe that when you die, you go to heaven. Its comforting to believe that you will see your loved ones again.

Dont get me wrong. If you are relgious, with good intentions, then i see no problem with that, but i just dont by it, and never have. Im not saying that there is 100% nothing when we die, but i beleive religon is man made, and the reason why there will never be a second coming. All this stuff happened in the past for a reason, and even when you read some of the stories, its obvious it was from a human, and not divine. That my opinion.

reply to post by Plugin

How many people did humans kill?

I think you left out "in the name of god".

How many people did humans kill in the name of god?

Do not confuse the "God" of religion with the Creator God that is beyond religion. They are not one and the same.

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How many people has your government killed?

Originally posted by randyvs
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If you don't like something you create ? You have every right over that creation to take it out. This a basic commonality of any creator creation relation. Don't like it ? I'm sure you will be able to state your grievence someday. Directly. You would sit in judgement of God ? Really ?

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I'll remember that if I ever have kids. They disobey, I have the right to kill them, even kill them in incredibly painful and humiliating deaths. And, depending on biblical interpretation, I could instead torture them with fire for the rest of their lives.

Or, if we intentionally breed Black people, so that those born only have life because we bred them as such, would it be ok to make slaves out of them? There's even some guidelines on slave breeding in the bible to pay attention to.

No! No! No! If you create life, that doesn't give you those rights. A life on it's own, is a life on it's own. There's a point where, even if you created, it deserves more than just to abide by your will. You don't have the right to kill, or cause suffering, regardless of if you created the life.

Yahweh is equally unjustified. Which is to be expected, given he's the figment of the imagination of some men who were millenia behind us in terms of understanding morality. Not at all what you'd expect from him if he was real, and actually of infinite wisdom.

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And how many was there killed, without using the name of God as an excuse?

Humans who have sinister motives will always use the phrase, I killed in the name of God.

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I'll remember that if I ever have kids. They disobey, I have the right to kill them, even kill them in incredibly painful and humiliating deaths. And, depending on biblical interpretation, I could instead torture them with fire for the rest of their lives.

Now there's a great idea. Sounds completely logical to my dumbass.

No! No! No! If you create life, that doesn't give you those rights. A life on it's own, is a life on it's own. There's a point where, even if you created, it deserves more than just to abide by your will. You don't have the right to kill, or cause suffering, regardless of if you created the life.

What do you mean No No No ? Who made you the last word on this ? Sounds like you think you are God to me.

Yahweh is equally unjustified. Which is to be expected, given he's the figment of the imagination of some men who were millenia behind us in terms of understanding morality. Not at all what you'd expect from him if he was real, and actually of infinite wisdom.

Why do you in your infinite wisdom and overbearing self righteousness even bother yourself by writing this thread about make believe deitys that only exist in the minds of people who were millenia behind us. Claiming that if he did exist he would be this or he would be that. according to me xxsomepersonxx. You honestly think you have some kind of point to make. But believe me, ya don't ! You think you can claim God doesn't exist ?
Right there you're laughable at best. Because you can't possibly know that. So quit while you're a head sport.:

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Or, if we intentionally breed Black people, so that those born only have life because we bred them as such, would it be ok to make slaves out of them? There's even some guidelines on slave breeding in the bible to pay attention to.

Why do you feel blacks should be slaves? Why not Asians? Caucasians? Why do "Black people" need to be the slaves as you maintain above? Why can't we just breed "people" in your hypothetical situation? Why does it have to be "Black people"?

Originally posted by Laurauk
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And how many was there killed, without using the name of God as an excuse?

Humans who have sinister motives will always use the phrase, I killed in the name of God.

What about people who worship money, then kill for more money? They are killing for their "god" as well. Their god just happens to be green and made of paper.

Originally posted by randyvs

Now there's a great idea. Sounds completely logical to my dumbass.

Rule of thumb, don't respond to sarcasm with sarcasm. Never makes things clear.
Unless you seriously do think that makes sense. I'm sure you don't though, and the point is that it makes no sense. It's psychopathic reasoning.

Originally posted by randyvs
What do you mean No No No ? Who made you the last word on this ? Sounds like you think you are God to me.

I mean no, it's not right. It's horrible, and no one should think like that. Also, if you'd have to think you're a god to acknowledge immoral thinking and atrocious behavior, then all of us, including yourself, are committing self deification. It doesn't take a god to know that that kind of reason is absolutely abhorrent.

Originally posted by randyvs
Why do you in your infinite wisdom and overbearing self righteousness even bother yourself by writing this thread about make believe deitys that only exist in the minds of people who were millenia behind us. Claiming that if he did exist he would be this or he would be that. according to me xxsomepersonxx. You honestly think you have some kind of point to make. But believe me, ya don't ! You think you can claim God doesn't exist ?
Right there you're laughable at best. Because you can't possibly know that. So quit while you're a head sport.:

Again, it doesn't take infinite wisdom, or self righteousness to have a sense of right and wrong.

I didn't write this thread. I made a post, in response to a claim that was a ridiculous stance on immorality. If you're so convinced that you're deity is real, you have no reason to be posting because you already "know you are right". Following you're logic that is.

Would you like to know why I posted? To give you a chance to make sense of that claim. I'm open to new ideas, the chance of being wrong. So by expressing my criticisms of your statement, I opened up room for you to address them. Instead of addressing them, you went with a personal attack. Cementing my position that there are real issues with the idea that lack explanation. Good job, you've implied me right.

I also never claimed, in this topic, that god doesn't exist. Nor have I anywhere else. I've only claimed that it's illogical and with no evidence behind it, putting it in the same realm of likelihood as celestial teapots and magic sandwiches.

What I was saying in my post, is that it's obvious that Yahweh, had the same mentality and standards as the barbarians that wrote about him. Which increases the likelihood he was a fabrication, drastically.

If they wrote about a god with moral standards ages ahead of their time, that expressed wisdom they didn't already have, that would support the idea that there was an all knowing all loving god inspiring him. Reading his actions, laws, and commandments in his supposed inspired works, instead show a character very unlike what he would really be like. Yahweh, would seem more like Jesus, for example.

It's not a claim of absolute proof against Yahweh's existence. It just shows it's a ridiculous and very unlikely claim.

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Take note how I stayed directly on topic, and used no personal attacks. You could learn from that.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Why do you feel blacks should be slaves? Why not Asians? Caucasians? Why do "Black people" need to be the slaves as you maintain above? Why can't we just breed "people" in your hypothetical situation? Why does it have to be "Black people"?

I'm sure you could see sarcasm in my post. So already, you've lost your point.

African Americans, if you didn't know, have the most notable history of being forced to be slaves. In the U.S. whenever people think of slavery, they think of black people. Therefor, it suited my analogy.


I'm not racist, nor do I support slavery. The point of the post was that even if we 'bred people' they'd still be people of their own, and have rights on their own. Just because you give life, doesn't mean you have the right to trample of the rights that life has.

At the end of the day, Satan killed 10 people and god killed much much more. Long live Atheism

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It's not a claim of absolute proof against Yahweh's existence. It just shows it's a ridiculous and very unlikely claim.

I know it's not a claim of proof, but I think saying that you are just a figment of someones imagination is pretty much an absolute stand against their existence.

Also you seem to accuse me of being off-topic and attacking you somehow but I don't see how or where.
Is this rule about sarcasm in the guidelines somewhere or does" Rule of thumb' mean like unwritten rule?

Lets just agree to disagree and move on shall we. I mean. I'm sure there isn't anything I can say to stop you from making wild claims based solely on your opinion.

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Actually people have killed many millions, natural disasters and cycles of the Earth are just that. Primitive people blame EVERYTHING on the gods, or God. No doubt he, she or perhaps much more accurate and NOT an insult, it, whatever, is way to busy to get off on death and suffering. People do that so well... People kill and love to blame some reworked over text and the magic creator not the actual people who wrote it to justify it.

Originally posted by liejunkie01
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How many people did humans kill?

I think you left out "in the name of god".

How many people did humans kill in the name of god?

It's rather an excuse, not a reason often.
It helps to achieve something, ''in the name of'', to get followers to fight for your cause.

Just look at the elections. That doesn't mean they really believe or care but if it gets more votes, sure!

I would you recommend to have a look at what Mauro Biglino (an italian Jewish scholar) writes about the bible and how we all are sons of aliens. In some way his work is related to Zecharia Sitchin's work but focusing the research on the bible.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Carseller4
God works in mysterious ways.

The most important person God killed? His only son...Jesus.

Next to his creation of everything, this is his greatest gift to humanity.

If Jesus really have the ego that he is more devine than other devine souls the he really is undevine. By competing on who is more special and devine you are losing by default. So all the other seeds like buddha are is worth less than Jesus? Stop compering devine beings and puting them on pedistals. It is people with ego that need worship not devine souls. The devine souls will probably understand the corruption of ego and not want to put himself in a posistion to be worshiped since it will be in the way for his continued evolution.

Originally posted by xxsomexpersonxx

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Why do you feel blacks should be slaves? Why not Asians? Caucasians? Why do "Black people" need to be the slaves as you maintain above? Why can't we just breed "people" in your hypothetical situation? Why does it have to be "Black people"?

I'm sure you could see sarcasm in my post. So already, you've lost your point.

Racist people can be sarcastic as well, no?

African Americans, if you didn't know, have the most notable history of being forced to be slaves. In the U.S. whenever people think of slavery, they think of black people. Therefor, it suited my analogy.

I don't. When I think of slavery the first thing that pops in my mind is the Jews under Pharaoh.

I'm not racist, nor do I support slavery.

Perhaps that's the case, but when you say we should "breed black people" to make slaves that's extremely racist. Be careful with how you word things in the future.

Just because you give life, doesn't mean you have the right to trample of the rights that life has.

Says who?? I'm a firm believer that the God of the universe is Sovereign and has to answer to NO ONE. He gives life and He takes it away. Every human who has ever lived on Earth will die. God just decides the timing, for His good will and pleasure.

Originally posted by randyvs

I know it's not a claim of proof, but I think saying that you are just a figment of someones imagination is pretty much an absolute stand against their existence.

I was hoping my wording would be clear there. I conceded either possibility, and made it clear which one I thought this topic supported. Yahweh matches the profile of an imagined deity of the past far more than the profile of a real deity so much farther beyond our current times.

Think of this. You've got Murder Victim A, Suspect B, and Suspect C. Suspect B has a loose alibi, Suspect C has no alibi and also has traces of Victim A's blood on some of their clothes. It's not proof of Suspect C's guilt, but it starts showing the likelihood. Similarly, Yahweh's behavior is evidence that supports one conclusion instead of the other, and should be factored in.

Originally posted by randyvs
Also you seem to accuse me of being off-topic and attacking you somehow but I don't see how or where.
Is this rule about sarcasm in the guidelines somewhere or does" Rule of thumb' mean like unwritten rule?

You're post had nothing to do with the Morality of Yahweh. Had nothing to do with with if his actions were justified. It was instead, a broader insult towards me, based around theism in general.

The bulk of you message consisted of messages like,

Sounds like you think you are God to me. ~ Why do you in your infinite wisdom and overbearing self righteousness ~ You honestly think you have some kind of point to make. But believe me, ya don't ! ~ Right there you're laughable at best

You said nothing actually towards the topic at hand, and instead threw out assertions of "Your wrong" mixed with light insults, without anything backing any of it. I wouldn't say "Off-topic and Attacking" is a stretch to say.

Originally posted by randyvs
Lets just agree to disagree and move on shall we. I mean. I'm sure there isn't anything I can say to stop you from making wild claims based solely on your opinion.

Besides maybe explaining why you feel that things that'd be terrible for humans to do for life they created are perfectly moral for Yahweh to do. Besides supporting your own argument with more than just asserting it's right. I already said, I'm open to you trying to prove me wrong. I'm sure dropping it's more for your sake than mine though, so that's ok.

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"Wild claims based solely on your opinion."
Ditto.

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If anyone was offended by my using that example, I'll have my apologizes ready. However, the whole point of the post was that it was wrong, and that slavery and mistreating minorities isn't acceptable, so I don't really feel like I said anything offensive.

I apologize for any issues my wording may have caused.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Just because you give life, doesn't mean you have the right to trample of the rights that life has.

Says who?? I'm a firm believer that the God of the universe is Sovereign and has to answer to NO ONE. He gives life and He takes it away. Every human who has ever lived on Earth will die. God just decides the timing, for His good will and pleasure.

Says who? Says me, and hopefully says you. If you feel that parents have any right over there children, whether it be to cause suffering or death, then so be it. If you think people(of any race) intentionally bred for slavery would be acceptable. There honestly isn't anything for me to say. And, personally, if you feel that way, I don't really want to be talking to you.

However, if you concede that that's wrong, then you're agree that giving life doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want with it. Then you'd have to either; agree Yahweh isn't justified, or Find an excuse for why Yahweh shouldn't be held to the same standards that we'd use to judge humans doing what he did as absolutely horrible.

It's pretty simple. I'm not even making a single moral claim here. I'm just saying that "IF" A is immoral, and we held Yahweh to the same standards B would be immoral to.

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Instead of a "Says Who? or a "You're wrong?", why can't anyone ever come up with a "But it's different because..." or "This detail shows why it can be looked at different..." or some actual substantial response?