The nail in the Evolutionary Coffin, the final spike placed there by the Royal Society itself.

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by aorAki
reply to post by Rocketman7

 

What a load of nonsense from a position of delusion, with nothing to back it up.

Just for the hell of it,would you or anyone else please try and "back up" the often claimed and professed fact that the sun is really 93,000,000 miles away and try and "back up" the often claimed and professed fact that the earth is not hollow,it cant really be done,but go ahead and try,because i know,that all we really know,is what they want us to know and what we are led to believe and the things they think they know as fact,are sooner or later proved to have been false,again and again and again...

edit on 5-3-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

That is true. It is all more like mythology than what Bacon had envisioned when he came up with the scientific method.
And everything is subject to change.
Like in the matrix.

But when we can get some real hard facts, such as Fact A, B, and C, we have a stable solid footing to build on.

Often that causes a paradigm shift. Like from Newton to Einstein was a paradigm shift.
In this case the realization, that there is a city off Cuba 2200 feet under water, with no signs of damage, and so this 'big push' as we will call it, towards a South American settlement date of 40,000, has died on the battlefield, since that age was given by a geologist who stated, that if we were to assume, that this area sank, then at the fastest rate any land has been known to sink, we could date that at 40,000 years however, and this is the key point, there is no evidence that this area sank, and no earthquake damage.

From space if you look in the Caribbean, you can see subdivided land under the sea. And I think also that there is sufficient evidence in Central and South America of truly ancient man, I think that people should be studying the area and searching for our past. Its a chance for some real interesting archeology.

reply to post by Rocketman7

In this case the realization, that there is a city off Cuba 2200 feet under water, with no signs of damage

There is no evidence for a city off of Cuba in 2200 feet of water. Can you tell us who has been down there to check out the city and report no damage? You can't because this is another fairy tale just like the Peruvian skull lie.

From space if you look in the Caribbean, you can see subdivided land under the sea.

This is not true. This is another baloney story.

Ok I will show you this, but you have to give me a star for being lucky as to have found this link after I mentioned lines in Central America and etc under water. You can see roads there in the Gulf of Mexico also.

www.ngdc.noaa.gov...

You seriously want to bookmark this
www.ngdc.noaa.gov...

Thats the world map, you click on a square, refine your area, and get a his res image.

No end in sight for the hoaxers it seems.

The Mexican quarry marks were misrepresented.
The skull with no fontanelles was an outright lie.
The faces claim was a lie.
Forgot about the intermediate fluff.
Now it is a sunken undamaged city hogwash tale.

reply to post by Rocketman7

Ok I will show you this, but you have to give me a star for being lucky as to have found this link after I mentioned lines in Central America and etc under water. You can see roads there in the Gulf of Mexico also.

The image shows no roads. The straight lines are bathymetric artifacts. If they were real features they would be miles across.

Well you need better closeup images to see them.

Here is an example of some oddities there...
www.satellitediscoveries.com...

and here you can see that going back 2 million years, during the ice ages, this area on the equator, would have been valley and as it got colder and people and animals fled south from North, and fled North from South, they would have ended up there and so that is where a lot of artifacts from within the last 2 million years should be found.
www.imagebam.com...

some recently found ruins that look Antediluvian.
lastdaysoftheincas.com...

If you examine Central America, you can see that the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea, could have been valley, for a long time, and then when sea levels rose, it was still below sea level, for some time, then finally flooded.
g.co...
So it needn't have sunk, within the last 2 million years. It was merely flooded by rising sea levels after the ice ages.

But that area would be a good place to hunt for signs of habitation, since it is near the equator.
And so less damaged by glaciation.

www.ooparts.us...

reply to post by Rocketman7

Well you need better closeup images to see them.

No. You need to know that these are due to the sampling process. These are artifacts from the bathymetric process.

and here you can see that going back 2 million years, during the ice ages, this area on the equator, would have been valley and as it got colder and people and animals fled south from North, and fled North from South, they would have ended up there and so that is where a lot of artifacts from within the last 2 million years should be found.

These are sampling issues. They are due to the manner in which the bathymetric information is collected.

Just as sampling by a movie camera can make wagon wheels appear to turn backwards, or helicopter blades to be motionless, sampling can lead to other artifacts such as grids where you are really seeing the rid pattern taken by the ship doing the survey.

some recently found ruins that look Antediluvian.

So now a feature is detected on the ground. It looks like a man made structure. Step 1 is to verify that the feature is not an artifact of the imaging system. That applies to studies of the Earth and satellites sent to distant planets. It applies to the STEREO satellites where wackos are constantly claiming that it shows alien spaceships and winged planets. So after the image appears to be real the next step is to go the site and determine what is being imaged.

So far you've shown imaging artifacts and claiming they are real because other things are real. The features you have shown are miles across. A road would not show up on any of those images.

reply to post by Rocketman7


[]quote]If you examine Central America, you can see that the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea, could have been valley, for a long time, and then when sea levels rose, it was still below sea level, for some time, then finally flooded.

So it needn't have sunk, within the last 2 million years. It was merely flooded by rising sea levels after the ice ages.

No. That area was always underwater. See the following maps to see that these areas were well below the lowest sea levels during the Ice Age.

www.ngdc.noaa.gov...
www.ngdc.noaa.gov...

Originally posted by Rocketman7

Originally posted by dbarnhart

Originally posted by Rocketman7
Why do humans all have different faces when no other form of life has different faces including apes?

Consider that each species may be sensitive to facial differences only in its own species.

Thats not even close to any sort of scientific argument.

So where's your scientific argument that animals don't have faces? Do you even know what a face is?

And you have the nerve to say that you're not trolling. I'm calling Poe on this one.

reply to post by Rocketman7

Ok I will show you this, but you have to give me a star for being lucky as to have found this link after I mentioned lines in Central America and etc under water. You can see roads there in the Gulf of Mexico also.

Just a thought.

If those lines on the sea bottom are roads that have been submerged for a bazillion years (and getting covered up by sea bottom ooze for all that time), where are all the modern roads on the existing dry land that know are there?.

OK, I know, this image is not attempting to show actual land features, just the sea bottom. So go to Google Earth or something and get an image from the same virtual height and try to find the roads.

Thanks for playing.

There's no real doubt that cities were lost near the end of the last glacial period, which was accompanied by hundreds of isolated floods across the world. But looking at lines from a satellite image does not prove anything. We need to send divers down to investigate.

Edit:

Come to think of it those lines seem too big and far spread out to be roads. Check out google maps. The Atlantic Ocean has a bunch of lines as well, although it's weird they kind of blank it out in the Gulf, almost like its censored.

reply to post by Rocketman7
Most prehistoric people,just like most people now,live next to or near the oceans,because of sea food and sailing ships bringing in cargo and supplies and so theres not much doubt where all the ancient flood and deluge myths and stories originated from,when the bulk of the previous major glaciations melted causing sea levels to rise most everywhere...

We just dont know how slow or fast that occurred,was it a prolonged event that took itself many months or years to play itself out? or did it happen much faster? and going by the flood and deluge myths and stories all over the world from different cultures,it probably happened very rapidly...

And just think,back then ten ot twenty thousand years ago,there were no man made aerosols,tin cans,radiation, or car and factory pollutants to lay the blame for global warming upon and just like now,if the majority of the polar ice caps melt,it will have been caused mostly by repeated and unstoppable cycles of the sun,not humans...

Map of earth during the last ice age > astro.uchicago.edu...

reply to post by blocula


The lines are tens of miles wide. They are not roads.

Coastal flooding was not rapid. It was very flow. It takes an enormous influx of water to raise the oceans. There were no cities when the waters came up after the ice age. Modern inundations such as places int he Mediterranean are due to subsidence. Coastal erosion can also knock down seaside cliffs causing toppling of structures.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by blocula

 

The lines are tens of miles wide. They are not roads.

Coastal flooding was not rapid. It was very flow. It takes an enormous influx of water to raise the oceans. There were no cities when the waters came up after the ice age. Modern inundations such as places int he Mediterranean are due to subsidence. Coastal erosion can also knock down seaside cliffs causing toppling of structures.

I saw a documentary about these ancient floods and some of them were very rapid,because massive amounts of melting glacier and snow waters would slowly build up behind walls of ice,valleys and adjoining hills and when the weight of many millions of gallons of water became too much for them to continue holding back,those ice walls,valleys and adjoining hills would suddenly collapse and give way,creating gigantic, sweeping floods dozens of feet deep that destroyed everything that happened to be in their way...

reply to post by blocula


how would you get a wall of ice holding back water?
either the temperature is high enough for the water to be liquid, in which case the ce wall melts long before it's a wall at all
or it's cold enough for an ice wall, in which case any water it holds back would similarly be
ice
ice
baby

Originally posted by decepticonLaura
reply to post by blocula

 

how would you get a wall of ice holding back water?
either the temperature is high enough for the water to be liquid, in which case the ce wall melts long before it's a wall at all
or it's cold enough for an ice wall, in which case any water it holds back would similarly be
ice
ice
baby

The documentary i watched showed exactly that happening with excellent cgi effects.

Glacial Lake Outburst Flood > en.wikipedia.org...

Outburst Flood > en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by blocula


Most documentaries are not what they claim to be. They are in fact hoaxes in video format.

You might be referring to the ice jams that caused the scablands. These floods did not rapidly raise seas level, but did extensively alter the landscape they scoured.

reply to post by blocula


The sorts of events you linked to would indeed cause great flooding, but would not rapidly raise sea level.

reply to post by decepticonLaura

how would you get a wall of ice holding back water?

There is a liquid lake buried under the ice in Antarctica.

It's been in the news lately.