Russia has Georgia's UAV Datalink Codes - Israel has Iran's Tor Datalink Codes.

If you haven't heard about the Stratfor wikileaks emails, see this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

An analyst for Stratfor met up with a Mexican source who shed some light on the global UAV market:
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Met with my Mexican source/friend again today and dude is getting shadier by the day. We followed up on our past discussion on Russia compromising the Israeli-made Georgian UAVs prior to the August war.

There is some standard corruption involved in Mexico's purchase of UAV's from Israel (As opposed to a cheaper Mexican company:

The Mexican government is now paying some $25m (? can get the #s later) for UAVs from Israel. Idra is basically like WTF, but the reason is basically corruption. There is a deal b/w the Mexican interior ministry and the Israelis where they're getting a hefty kickback.

But then they go on to reveal some really big stuff:

The reason Georgia needed the UAVs is because the UAVs
they had bought from Israel had been compromised by the Russians. The
Russians got the data link for the UAV (there is some suspicion that the
Israelis after the war may have given this to them. Remember all the
intense mtgs b/w the Israelis and the Russians where the Russians got the
Israelis to back off of defense deals to Georgia in return for Russia
backing off Iran?). Anyway, the Georgians gave Idra a picture of one of
their crashed UAVs. The source explained though that if the UAV were
targeted, it would have been blown to pieces pretty much (it's like the
size of a car basically). But the picture he saw showed the UAV intact. He
inquired and basically what happened was that the Russians acquired the
data link to hack into the system and force the UAV into the ground. I
think they may have crashed another one too.

And here is where Israel/Iran comes up:

Here is the most interesting part: I inquired more about the compromised Israeli UAVs. What he explained was that Israel and Russia made a swap -- Israel gave Russia the 'data link' code for those specific UAVs; in return, Russia gave Israel the codes for Iran's Tor-M1s.

Source


It seems there is a lot more going on behind the scenes when it comes to UAVs crashing or landing prematurely.

Edit to add, another poster has clarified that the Tor M1's are SAMs. I was under the impression they were also UAV's. Title edited to fix.

Sounds like planned obsolecence; Israel sells drones to one side, then eventually sells the codes to the other side, forcing the client with the drones to either purchase new drones or pay for new codes.

Originally posted by Glass
Sounds like planned obsolecence; Israel sells drones to one side, then eventually sells the codes to the other side, forcing the client with the drones to either purchase new drones or pay for new codes.

The question I want to know is:

Does Iran know that happened? And how does that make them feel about their friend in Russia?

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prety shure if wikileaks knew iran knew

Originally posted by haven123
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prety shure if wikileaks knew iran knew

Well, the wikileaks emails were released last night. Stratfor knew because of their intelligence source in Mexico, that's not to say it was or wasn't widespread information before last night though. There are plenty of reasons why someone might keep that info out of Iran. Also plenty of reasons why someone might want Iran to know.

Tor-M1 is not a UAV, it is SAM. Not very new but not an obsolete neither and Iran has those. So who knows, backstabing deals in politics are pretty common and it might be true. Though UAVs do fall by themself, it happens. There were several times UAVs fell in Israel and if it falls from low altitude its structure is intact due to its low speed.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Tor-M1 is not a UAV, it is SAM. Not very new but not an obsolete neither and Iran has those. So who knows, backstabing deals in politics are pretty common and it might be true. Though UAVs do fall by themself, it happens. There were several times UAVs fell in Israel and if it falls from low altitude its structure is intact due to its low speed.

Thanks for the clarification.



I assumed the discussion was just about UAV's in general.

Russia backstabbing Iran in the back... no wonder a lot of Iranians hate Russia.

Lmfao. This is pure golden comedy.
I wonder what all the people that thought Russia is going to start WW3 over Iran, will have to say about this. Haha.

Anyway,

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Russia backstabbing Iran in the back... no wonder a lot of Iranians hate Russia.

Russia to Iran is almost like the US is to Israel. If I'm not mistaken, it's one of Iran's biggest, if not the biggest arms/tech supplier world-wide, not to mention that without Russia they'd be years behind in their nuclear ambitions.

It's downright stupid to hate Russia if you're an Iranian. I really do wonder why they hate them. Care to explain?

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It's downright stupid to hate Russia if you're an Iranian. I really do wonder why they hate them. Care to explain?

I wonder too.

Maybe because Russia isn't ``enough`` on their side? Like giving them a full membership in SCO... or giving them S-300s... or blocking all sanctions against it... or not wanting it to have nukes...

Who knows.

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Speaking of S300s, they were mentioned in the email as well:

I asked about the S-300 (source tracks a lot of defense deals for Jane's).
He doesn't think the Russians will give it to the Iranians. Besides, he
said... Israel and Turkey have been collaborating very closely on the
S-300s. He explain how about 8 years ago when Russia sold S-300s to Greece
to base in Crete (which were supposed to protect Cyprus), Russia delivered
those with a carrier so that Turkey wouldn't try to sink them. (things got
a bit noisy so i may have misheard some of this). The gist of what he said
is that Turkey has been cracking the S-300 since the Crete sale and has
been sharing intel on the S-300 with the Israelis to ensure that they
retain an advantage over Iran should Iran get them from the Russians.
as far as the Georgian UAVs go, they were interested in the Mexican ones
because the Mexican UAVs had something (forget the name. it was
auto-something' that basically backs up teh UAV system in case someone
hacks into it and immediately returns the UAV to base.

Originally posted by boncho
Speaking of S300s, they were mentioned in the email as well:

I asked about the S-300 (source tracks a lot of defense deals for Jane's).
He doesn't think the Russians will give it to the Iranians. Besides, he
said... Israel and Turkey have been collaborating very closely on the
S-300s. He explain how about 8 years ago when Russia sold S-300s to Greece
to base in Crete (which were supposed to protect Cyprus), Russia delivered
those with a carrier so that Turkey wouldn't try to sink them. (things got
a bit noisy so i may have misheard some of this). The gist of what he said
is that Turkey has been cracking the S-300 since the Crete sale and has
been sharing intel on the S-300 with the Israelis to ensure that they
retain an advantage over Iran should Iran get them from the Russians.
as far as the Georgian UAVs go, they were interested in the Mexican ones
because the Mexican UAVs had something (forget the name. it was
auto-something' that basically backs up teh UAV system in case someone
hacks into it and immediately returns the UAV to base.

I have no Idea what email are you speaking of, but ASSUMING it has some actual truth in it - this is a complete and total mess the world is in.

Israel working with Turkey to render the Russian S-300 useless to prevent Iran/Greece using it, but on the other hand Russia supplies arms to Iran and Israel is friendly with Greece.. But hey, aren't the Israeli-Turkish relations in at all-time-low? So this makes it alittle strange. Not stranger than Russia helping Israel getting intel against Iran while Israel helps Russia getting intel against Georgia. And that's just this little part of the globe we're looking at.

I mean - WTF!

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I have no Idea what email are you speaking of, but ASSUMING it has some actual truth in it - this is a complete and total mess the world is in.

See the original post.

This thread is based on emails published on wikileaks from Stratfor, a global intelligence company. One of their people had a source in Mexico that is connected to military projects and they brought all this to light.

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USA and Russia have done this too.Russia has british Trident Codes which could be radiolocation or IFF codes.