Seatle Times: "Before now, GOP backed contraceptive mandates"

So, whats the excuse here? Memory loss?

Or is it simply the fact that there's a "secret Muslim Kenyan" ( ) Democratic president in office?

seattletimes.nwsource.com...

No one has been more forceful than former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who has accused Obama of "a direct violation of the First Amendment."

Yet Republican lawmakers and governors, including Huckabee, backed similar mandates years before the current partisan firestorm.

Twenty-two states, including Washington, have laws or regulations that resemble, at least in part, the Obama administration's original rule. More than one-third had GOP support, a review of state records shows.

In six states, including Arkansas, those contraceptive mandates were signed by GOP governors, including Huckabee.

What's the term i'm looking for... when someone is for something before they are against it?

...OH! Right! FLIP FLOP.

The article goes on:

When Republicans took control of Congress after Bush won the 2000 presidential election, his administration could have challenged that requirement, as it did other mandates.

But, during his 2001 confirmation hearings to be attorney general, John Ashcroft told the Senate Judiciary Committee that he would "defend the rule" promulgated by the EEOC.

In 2000, when Iowa became one of the first states to enact a contraceptive mandate, the Republican Legislature overwhelmingly backed the bill, which has no exemption for religious employers of any kind.

All this rabble about protecting religious freedom and the 1st Amendment... it's time to face the fact that the right is being played like a fiddle by those in control of their party - and so MANY of you are just itchin' to dance!

Another gem from the above article:

Four years later, the Arkansas bill easily cleared that state's Legislature, with help from Republican lawmakers, including two co-sponsors. Huckabee signed it.

He defended the law in a statement. "Religious employers are not required to comply with this policy," he said. "My position is, and always has been, that religious entities shouldn't be forced to pay for contraception."

Yet, like the original federal regulation proposed by Obama, the Arkansas law did not exempt church-affiliated hospitals and universities. It exempts only "religious employers" that are nonprofits whose primary mission is "the inculcation of religious values," and primarily employ people who share the same religion, a standard few Catholic hospitals meet.

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You want people to bite on your thread? It might be wise not to call them trolls. It takes one to know one.

Allow me to take my previous comment back.

Originally posted by negativenihil
So, whats the excuse here?

I believe it can be explained here: "Damn the country, Obama Must Fail

Politics has long since evolved from a debate about the best solution (of the two ideologies) for the nation's problems, into a battle of persistent resistance of whatever the other "side" proposes or does.

Click here for more information.

This quote from the article is all you need to read.

"years before the current partisan firestorm."

This hoopla about contraception and mandates is nothing but demagoguery used by politicians to divide and conquer the masses.

WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL FALLING FOR IT?

All these politicians have been on both sides (ie the same side) of every issue. They are all THE SAME.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by negativenihil
So, whats the excuse here?

I believe it can be explained here: "Damn the country, Obama Must Fail

Politics has long since evolved from a debate about the best solution (of the two ideologies) for the nation's problems, into a battle of persistent resistance of whatever the other "side" proposes or does.

Couldn't agree more. Politics (the false debate) is now used to continue the status quo. It's rearranging the chairs on the Titanic, while the captain sails away with his bags packed on a lifeboat.

To me it does not matter. I do not get my cues from the movement conservatives or their propaganda outlets. The revelation that Republican governors supported such policies actually is not surprising to me either. They tend to be hypocritical and opportunistic bastards just as much so as the Democrats. It does bother me however that they now play the “I stand against contraception mandate issue” after their past of supporting such legislation, the least they could do is be quiet on the subject.

Faux Conservatives are just as bad as honest Socialists in my book. I do not like any of them nor would they like me. Please do not lump all Conservatives together on this subject as though we were all willfully ignorant or just seek the destruction of Obama’s presidency. Some actually have their heads not up their behinds; I would like to consider myself one of those people.

Originally posted by Misoir
Please do not lump all Conservatives together on this subject as though we were all willfully ignorant or just seek the destruction of Obama’s presidency.

Well, those who aren't willfully ignorant or are simply seeking to harm the President need to get a lot more vocal in my opinion.

The most vocal bunch from your side of the fence ARE the ones you've described, and they do nothing but harm your cause and your side's ability to hold a rational discussion.

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We have been pretty vocal there are just not many widely viewed sources from which we may express our discontent. As you know, the movement conservatives hold the microphone. I have posted on the subject before, articulating my point of view and those like me but it has largely been ignored.

See here

Originally posted by negativenihil

Originally posted by jibeho


Oh you're funny Adevoc. You just mad that one of your user names got sacked today?? Still.

We've done this dance before.

You previously were convinced that I'm some sock puppet or running multiple accounts. As I said before - I welcome the mods to post/share any sort of information to prove if I am in fact using several accounts.

Feel free.

This is my one and only account, and you have no proof otherwise. (FYI - I've sent an alert so the mods can chime in as they see fit)

So... now that you've avoided the subject of the post for several replies, have you got anything constructive to add?

edit on 21-2-2012 by negativenihil because: (no reason given)

OH sure I'll chime in. One point you failed to recognize in your OP is that every example that you have listed is based on STATE policy and law not FEDERAL law or mandates. It's pretty simple. Leave it up to the states. I'm fine with that.

Cheers Mr. Gunderson.!!

Originally posted by jibeho

OH sure I'll chime in. One point you failed to recognize in your OP is that every example that you have listed is based on STATE policy and law not FEDERAL law or mandates. It's pretty simple. Leave it up to the states. I'm fine with that.

It took you how many posts to get to this point?

No matter, I remain unconvinced that the right wing was following this issue closely and only got upset when it was a Federal issue. It's convenient timing and simply another line item to use to attack the current President. I'd be willing to bet, looking at the state level news from any of the 22 states where this was already the norm, we'd find minimal outrage when this was put into law.

Cheers Mr. Gunderson.!!

Put up, or shut up.

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Actually, I said virtually the same thing in my deleted post. The first post in your thread in fact. I guess I felt sorry for you and the fact that know one was participating in your sandbox of fun and games.

Good Stuff!!

S/F for posting this info. I already knew about it and had mentioned it in another thread...but was too lazy to actually make a thread for it.

Huckabee i find the most surprising, as he was a former minister and is being incredibly hypocritical on this whole thing.

Also to add: This thread needs a do over. It's not very often that i look at a new thread and see half of the posts deleted on the first page.

These GOP guys are the biggest hypocrites in the world... They whole
entire party seems to be as honest as an ambulance chasing law firm,
gross does not begin to explain it. When the women go to the poles these
guys are going to suck some eggs.

Yeah tough to have any desire for common ground when they throw out divisive crap like the GOP is doing now.
How deep is their dislike of women?
www.chicagotribune.com...
They even hate girl scouts and their cookies
Who put the "brown acid" in the "Jesus Juice" ?

How do you find common ground with this crap? If ignored will it go away? Do we scream them down as they try to do with all quietly reasonable discussion?
APB