Strange confrontation at Disneyland..

That is the most ridiculous display I've ever seen. On everybody's part. If that dork with the spray can hadn't started spraying him in the face after he stood up, he probably wouldn't have gotten so pissed. If someone kept spraying me in the face, I'd be tempted to take a swing, too. I actually cheered when he grabbed the guy's leg and knocked him to the ground. I'm surprised no one took a swing at the woman with the big mouth.

Lulz this Guy is obviously drunk and out of control.

Where's the taser ?

BTW i would've kicked him in the face for ruining my day at Disneyland. Anyone who feels bad for this scum bag is an idiot. Like the woman in the video said there's children there. Go take that BS to a bar

yea that lady was pretty much annoying , and any other ladies like her that i've encountered who say the most silly things , when shtf. lol
the guy should've been tasted , cuffed , and wrangled up like cattle untll the proper authorities came along.
Simple as that.

Nothing strange about this confrontation , guy deserved it all .

May this be a lesson to the rest of ya , who love to drink but can't handle your booze and act a fool

Their are many people who walk this earth that do not have the mentality to drink over their limit. These are the most dangerous people , as their personality changes with every drink over their sober limit.

Wow, now i wish i knew what happened before they started to film the guy getting sprayed. He must have done something wrong. He acts like he is under the influence of something. Security should have been there faster. I have been to the diseny land a few time's, i know the park is kinda big, but just because it "is the happyest place on earth" does not mean people will not get out of hand. They truly need better response time. People now days will sue them for stuff like this,even if they no they themselves are in the wrong.( i heard of weirder stuff happening!!).

Now, that chick was soooooo annoying. How is she helping the problem at all. It is like when you are driving down the free way and there is a accident, and the only reason traffic is going slow is because of the looky loo's. So annoying. Is it just me or were some of the guy's being young d-bags to, showing off for the for who ever was vidio taping this. It is a shame that people act like that. They are not helping to defuse the situation at all. Oh how are society has fallin.

reply to post by seedofchucky


The guy deserved to be pepper sprayed that many times? Did you even see it where he stood up, tried getting his breath only to be attacked again with the spray?

The logic that the man with the spray used to spray the guy, means that every passer by had the right to pepper spray the guy who was spraying because he had no right to take that action when the person wasnt doing anything to him. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind - this is that scenario lol

Alcohol isnt good, and neither are power trips - both people are bad but I would say the security man had no right to take that kind of action..

We dont see this typa sht in England, probably because our security guys have to use their brains before they resort to an item which is going to escalate the incident...

reply to post by n00bUK

The guy deserved to be pepper sprayed that many times? Did you even see it where he stood up, tried getting his breath only to be attacked again with the spray?

He is lucky all he got was thatt much pepper spray , he should've been tased. Those leave marks , that reminds everytime he picks up a bottle near kids again

Alcohol isnt good, and neither are power trips - both people are bad but I would say the security man had no right to take that kind of action..

We dont see this typa sht in England, probably because our security guys have to use their brains before they resort to an item which is going to escalate the incident..

He had every right to take this action. If your gonna act a fool , prepare for the consequences . Nobody said those conssequences are gonna come in peachy cream flavor.

Welcome to reality .

Secondly , You know why you don't see this type of sht in "England" Its because your guys don't know how to use pepper spray and shoot each other .




The rules are pretty simple , Don't resisit , follow instrucitons and you'll be fine.

But when you act a fool , i'm sorry i can't serve sugar coated consequences , life doesn't tend to agree.

The logic that the man with the spray used to spray the guy, means that every passer by had the right to pepper spray the guy who was spraying because he had no right to take that action when the person wasnt doing anything to him

Sometimes people who don't understand logic , and try and spew logic hurts my teeth

Originally posted by Biigs
To be honest thats a time when i think using a taser would have been spot on.

Since i cant see what lead upto it for myself, im going to assume he did have it coming and pepper spray was next to usless to help control the situation, in fact acted like more like gas on a fire.

Um.....


Diplomacy.


You are always much better off trying to defuse a situation with words. The problem is, security/police aren't patient enough for diplomacy.


If some one is mad about something and you come in and start punching/spraying that person what do you think is going to happen?

The man was standing there wiping his face, sure he told the guy to "F" off -- but he was just standing there wiping his face.

Dude wanted to spray him anyway, which did nothing more than escalate the problem.



DIPLOMACY is the answer. Spoken word. Find out why the aggressive person has gotten aggressive and problem solve it -- don't just assault him.


Nobody knows what STARTED this confrontation, so it's impossible for anybody here to say he deserved the action against him to even begin with.

Furthermore, the confrontation was over, and then he got sprayed again, which prompted him to take the guy to the ground.


Which is exactly what I would have done, regardless of what started the situation, spraying a man who is recovering from being sprayed is over the line.



Say -- you were told to leave because you looked "suspicious" without any explanation of why, and then as you attempted to find out what you did wrong, they deemed you unruly and then sprayed you.

Now passers-by think you are the aggressor when in fact it's the security that is the aggressor.

You've been handed paper towels/napkins to wipe off the pepper spray, so you stand up to wipe it off, and you get sprayed again, for no reason....


How would YOU act in that situation?

Most likely just like the guy in the video. Again, without knowing what started it, you can't say who was the aggressor.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE MAN COULD HAVE BEEN THE AGGRESSOR, there is no justification as to why he was sprayed again, as he was wiping off the pepper spray with the napkins he was handed to wipe off the pepper spray.

This is not an aggressive action, and neither is telling someone to go "f" themselves. Free speech guys.

Where is it legal to pepper spray somebody for bad language?? I saw the man do nothing illegal or threatening to children or anyone other than the man who was pepper spraying him.

That's what happens when your drunk in a public place. He's lucky he didn't get beaten up. The security guard did over use the spray the second time. As for that annoying woman, she needed a few sprays herself. If she didn't like the fact that kids were there then she should of taken her annoying self and kids and moved on. She sounded like a little annoying yappy little dog (no offense to little dogs).

reply to post by seedofchucky


Acting a fool and doing something illegal and or threatening are two different things. Nobody deserves to be pepper sprayed for being drunk or using bad language.

Originally posted by spaceg0at
am i the only one that wants to choke that woman screaming through the whole video?

STOP IT ! STOP IT ! SOMEBODY STOP HIM ! SOMEBODY CALL THE POLICE ! SOMEBODY HELP HIM!

SOMEBODY STOP HIM ! STOP IT ! STOP IT ! SOMEBODY HELP HIM !! CALL THE POLICE!!


shut up !!

I know typical woman who just sits there screaming and calling for help while DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT!

That being said spaceg0at, Disney is some of the most evil $hhhh to ever get dropped on this Rock.

Originally posted by groingrinder
reply to post by seedofchucky

 

Acting a fool and doing something illegal and or threatening are two different things. Nobody deserves to be pepper sprayed for being drunk or using bad language.

Exactly.

If you are drunk and assault somebody because you are drunk, you've committed an illegal act, but just being drunk in a place that serves alcohol does not warrant this type of action.

Also, bad language isn't against the law.

Being drunk and using bad language isn't against the law.


Requesting somebody leave an area because he used a cuss word is wrong. Refusing to comply with such an order is not wrong.

The person giving said order is the person causing the scene at this point, for he has no right to infringe on your freedom of speech.


Now if you are inciting a riot, and purposefully trolling/arguing with people, that's a different story, but last I heard I have the right to disagree with somebody, furthermore, I have the right to call the person I disagree with a moron or any other combination of cuss words. I maintain this right, even if I've ingested alcohol.

If I stay and choose to start an argument and so does the person I am arguing with -- it's BOTH people's fault, not just the drunk guy.


It takes two people to argue, which is to say -- it takes a crowd to cause a scene.

The crowd standing there probably contributed to the additional spraying. The security guy didn't just have to worry about his own safety but also of the screaming lady, the loud mouth dudes and everybody else. In situations like this the crowd elevates the stress for security/police and elevates the confusion/anger of the drunk.

I hope he was drunk and not someone who was having medical / psychological issues. bad enough for the incident to happen worse to have it recorded and posted on yuotube for all eternity.

If people can help then help if they can't.......move along...there's nothing to see here.

Originally posted by groingrinder
reply to post by seedofchucky

 

Acting a fool and doing something illegal and or threatening are two different things. Nobody deserves to be pepper sprayed for being drunk or using bad language.

Oh then i guess you missed the assult , in the start of the video , and during the struggle , the druken fool did to the guy who was spraying him ?

That doesn't count ? I didn't know we can punch and kick people, who are trying to deal with the situation and protect other people in the park?

Problem with you and other ATS members here is you love to cry over force , but their are situations where it is just . LIke this video here.

If we see what happens before all of it started , it would justify it even more.

Like i said , if you can't handle your booze and act a fool , i can't serve you consequences sugar coated with a lollipop .


Justified .

Originally posted by seedofchucky

Originally posted by groingrinder
reply to post by seedofchucky

 

Acting a fool and doing something illegal and or threatening are two different things. Nobody deserves to be pepper sprayed for being drunk or using bad language.

Oh then i guess you missed the assult , in the start of the video , and during the struggle , the druken fool did to the guy who was spraying him ?

That doesn't count ? I didn't know we can punch and kick people, who are trying to deal with the situation and protect other people in the park?

Problem with you and other ATS members here is you love to cry over force , but their are situations where it is just . LIke this video here.

If we see what happens before all of it started , it would justify it even more.

Like i said , if you can't handle your booze and act a fool , i can't serve you consequences sugar coated with a lollipop .


Justified .

No. Not justified. You don't know how many times the guy was sprayed before the video started rolling. You also don't know if it was the guy who got sprayed who started it.

You are just making assumptions, illogical ones at that.


The problem is, there are so many use of force apologists out there, force should only be used as a last resort. You have no way of knowing if it was used as a last resort here, or if the guard came out of the gate spraying.


All of these details are missing and you are filling them in with assumptions. Your assumptions may or may not be true, however; you have no way of knowing this -- which is why you cannot say factually if this was just or not.


I can't wait for the day you get pepper sprayed and assaulted when you didn't do anything wrong -- and then you attempt to instinctively defend yourself against the assault -- and then get charged with assault and battery and inciting a riot.


Maybe then, you'll realize why force needs to be used as a last resort, and only as a LAST RESORT.

This is terrible I hate seeing this kind of abuse. I had to mute it before I went insane. It still makes me cringe what little I listened to it.
In short, maybe crowd should have thrown rocks at him.

But like most have mentioned, I really should reserve comment -not knowing what lead up to this event.

reply to post by Laokin

No. Not justified. You don't know how many times the guy was sprayed before the video started rolling. You also don't know if it was the guy who got sprayed who started it.

First off you don't know that either , secondly the crowd would've been on the guy being sprayed side , If that was the case. Clearly the crowd wasnted the drunken fool out because they knew he was out of line.

Secondly people don't just pepper spray someone for no reason, The guy doing the spraying gave him enough warnings the second time , while he was standing , but he didn't follow orders , and assulted again.

You are just making assumptions, illogical ones at that.

Mine are not based on emotions like yours . I go on what is warrented , What is justified . He did not go over the top .

The problem is, there are so many use of force apologists out there, force should only be used as a last resort. You have no way of knowing if it was used as a last resort here, or if the guard came out of the gate spraying

Would you rather him tased? Would you rather him a bullet in the head ? Or would you rather wait till the drunken fool punched out a women or man or some kid ?

Who would just come out spraying with no provication or justification ?

Everything i seen in this video , including the crowds reaction , plus the assult , plus the warnings given , is justified .

you might not like it . But its very simple.

If you can't handle your booze , don't expect sugar coated conseqences.....

reality doesn't work like that .

I wonder what would've happened if the crowd had gave him street justice.

What would the title of the video be here then?

Originally posted by seedofchucky

He is lucky all he got was thatt much pepper spray , he should've been tased. Those leave marks , that reminds everytime he picks up a bottle near kids again

What did you see that warranted a pepper spray? I see nothing other than a person spraying him. Drinking in front of children, even using bad language does not warrant this kind of action - let alone a taser, which is something you said he deserved Next time your in a domestic, that has nothing to do with anybody other than you and the other person, i hope a copper comes along and tasers you and gives you a taste of your own medicene, maybe then you wouldnt be so fast to hand out such punishment.

He had every right to take this action. If your gonna act a fool , prepare for the consequences . Nobody said those conssequences are gonna come in peachy cream flavor.

All i see in this video, is a drunken man retaliating to a person whos continually spraying him for been drunk.

Welcome to reality .

American reality. Cant get drunk at a theme park because if you get a bit rowday, you will get pepper sprayed in the name of the chilldreen!

Secondly , You know why you don't see this type of sht in "England" Its because your guys don't know how to use pepper spray and shoot each other .

Oh, brilliant, and?..Thats our Police who do have the right to use pepper spray, i wasnt on about the Police - I was onabout security people. think of it this way, in my country - we either have a full blown fist fight, or we stand and talk that # out - Now we will come to either conclusion through the knowledge of our own power, so us not having a pepper spray in our pocket doesnt make us think we have an advantage - unlike this little chubby man in the video who probably couldn't handle the bad language/confrontation the drunken man was giving him and knew he could win, using this pepper spray. Take away the man having pepper spray, the whole situation would of been dealt with allot better.

I.e - talking it out, the guy understanding its a childrens area and realizing hes been an asshole
Or, 3 to 5 guys (which eventually happened) take the guy to one side and escort him away
Both of these solutions are better than giving one weak man a pepper spray can.

The rules are pretty simple , Don't resisit , follow instrucitons and you'll be fine.

So when ones doing wrong to you, accept it? Silly man. I'll resist and show I'm right in my resistance, thanks. Unless im in the wrong, then yeah, your statement means something - but not in this situation.

Sometimes people who don't understand logic , and try and spew logic hurts my teeth

touché

reply to post by SunLife

In short, maybe crowd should have thrown rocks at him.

lol? thrown rocks at him ?

is this twilight zone ats today ?