Updated [Video]: Group threatens to kill US, UK captives

This fanoose guy is probably sitting somewhere, laughing his butt off and praying to his "Allah" that these captives do get killed! In fact, he probably wishes the same to all Americans. Don't you fanoose? People like him are the reason why we're over there in the first place.

I'll bet if he could get on an airliner with a bomb, he'd do it in a heart beat. Just so he could get "70 virgins for eternity". Guess what fanoose? They'd have to remain virgins if they're going to go the full stretch of eternity! You do know what that means, don't you? You people are backwards in your thinking. And I'm not sorry for your kind if they meet destruction. It's what you and your kind deserve.

There may be a chance they may be released, but in the event they aren't, they'll meet their maker in paradise. Fanoose, your "maker" will tell you,"Welcome to Hell, fanoose. Hope you enjoy your stay. You got what you deserved. Oh, BTW, the water fountains are on the top floor and the elevators are out, and there's no stairs. So, you're on your own. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!"

Originally posted by mad scientist
Being serious - we should just rub all dead insurgents with pig fat so ( in their belief ) they can't go and see Allah. The US did it with the muslim rebels in the Phillipines and it worked.

Ah yes, we can't forget that war where those fanatical Muslims dared to oppose the occupation of their country.

They sure got put in their place didn't they?



The same tales were being told about insurgents today were told about the insurgents in the Philipines who rejected the conquest of their country:
The Moros, men and women, were all fanatics, sworn to die rather than to yield, and certain, as they believed, of a glorious reward in the world to come if they died killing Christians.

[edit on 20-9-2004 by AceOfBase]

Originally posted by 27jd
That's why I said I pesonally find the indiscriminate bombings unacceptable, I think you must've misinterpreted what I posted. I am well aware that Iraqi families are human just like American families, and put no less value on children in Iraq than in America. My point is that I wish the violence would end all together, of course we both know that is not likely, but it's a nice thought. Most Americans were not even aware of U.S. policies in the Middle East, or that there was so much anger building in that area against us, the majority of America was focused on lame, meaningless garbage like Monica Lewinsky, so it was wrong that we were attacked on 9/11, there are other ways of getting your message across, it just may have taken more time, but it's too late for that now, the lines have been drawn by both of our sides, and there's nothing you or I can do about it. Your leaders and clerics have taught your people to hate mine, and my government has taught mine to fear and hate yours. It's very unfortunate for us all.



I think i've interpreted you very will, in your first post you tried to draw a comparison between the occupation and the resistance ways of killing, and that what you do is an unintend acts. Which is less wrong than what the resistance do. While the fact is the resistance choose individuals who were been warnned several times, and take them as a hostage and give you a chance to free them by accepting their demands. While the occupation doesn't select an individuals to kill nor give any warning or any demands, just throwing those tons of bombs killing tens of families, instead of saving lives they go by destroying them and those who survived from the bombing automatically start to ask for revenge and into the resistance operations and the resistance gets stronger and stronger every time.

You stated that the violence will not end, and i agree with you. Not just from the situation there but also from hadeeth (narration of the prophet) which he stated that at the end of time Iraq will be under siege from the ajam (non-arabs) and it will last long then al-sham (Syria) will be under siege from roman (europe/america). Of course the hadeeth is long and it described the events there, but what i would like to stress is that the situation will get worse and worse.

About 911, Iraq doesn't have anything to do with it. and there's no way to send a message to your administration because of the double standards they play in. And no one taught me to hate your people, execpt the double standards of your administration, Iraq invasion, Abu Ghraib and what made it worse is the punishment those who were involved recived, an 8 months in prison with 4 months in short! and an interview with linda (sp) that girl who pictured her self pulling an iraqi prisoner she stated she's not sorry for thing she did because she was doing her job! and when the interviewer asked her if she wants to apologize to the familes of those prisoners she said no!




Originally posted by mad scientist
You truly are a sick puppy, you wuouldn't to piss off your neighbour or you might be the next to lose your head. They caould use it as an ashtray as it already apears to be hollow.



Do your self a favor and start chasing one of those kangaroos of yours! or just grab me a fine Australian camel and ship it to my country.




Originally posted by Intelearthling
This fanoose guy is probably sitting somewhere, laughing his butt off and praying to his "Allah" that these captives do get killed! In fact, he probably wishes the same to all Americans. Don't you fanoose? People like him are the reason why we're over there in the first place.

I'll bet if he could get on an airliner with a bomb, he'd do it in a heart beat. Just so he could get "70 virgins for eternity". Guess what fanoose? They'd have to remain virgins if they're going to go the full stretch of eternity! You do know what that means, don't you? You people are backwards in your thinking. And I'm not sorry for your kind if they meet destruction. It's what you and your kind deserve.



Once Einstein said :
"Only two things are infinites, the universe and the humen stupidity..".

Originally posted by fanoose
I think i've interpreted you very will, in your first post you tried to draw a comparison between the occupation and the resistance ways of killing, and that what you do is an unintend acts.

Right, and I am correct in stating that because I know if our military were able to take out insurgents without harming innocents, they would, no question about it. And I also draw the comparison that ALL the killing is wrong in my opinion, and don't hold the value of Arab life less.

While the fact is the resistance choose individuals who were been warnned several times, and take them as a hostage and give you a chance to free them by accepting their demands.

See that's where the problem lies, you said they give ME a chance to free them, you are equating all Americans with our government, and we don't all agree with our government, just like you, I'm sure do not agree with yours. And the resistance does not "choose" individuals, they are creatures of opportunity, they know they cannot get soldiers, so they go after unarmed workers, seems cowardly to me, I doubt Allah would approve of cowardice.

While the occupation doesn't select an individuals to kill nor give any warning or any demands, just throwing those tons of bombs killing tens of families, instead of saving lives they go by destroying them and those who survived from the bombing automatically start to ask for revenge and into the resistance operations and the resistance gets stronger and stronger every time.

The insurgents, it can be argued, are just as responsible for those needless deaths, they knowingly base themselves in civilian areas, hoping the US forces will not target them, and if they do, they know the deaths of civilians will further their cause among their people, so they use the deaths of innocent Arabs to their advantage, also something I'm sure Allah would not approve of, if he is a just god.

Of course the hadeeth is long and it described the events there, but what i would like to stress is that the situation will get worse and worse.

It certainly seems that way, doesn't it. Again, it's unfortunate.

About 911, Iraq doesn't have anything to do with it.

I didn't mean to say that it did. I'm well aware Iraq had nothing to do with it, and have been against the Iraq invasion from the beginning. We should have stayed focused on Al Queda.

and there's no way to send a message to your administration because of the double standards they play in.

ALL governments play by double standards, it's all part of the corruption of power, I'm sure you would agree the House of Saud does the same, except your governments in that region tend to kill you when you disagree with them. I can say as many negative things about Bush as I like here, and have, and nobody will kill me, it's too bad your people do not have the same luxury.

And no one taught me to hate your people, execpt the double standards of your administration, Iraq invasion, Abu Ghraib and what made it worse is the punishment those who were involved recived, an 8 months in prison with 4 months in short! and an interview with linda (sp) that girl who pictured her self pulling an iraqi prisoner she stated she's not sorry for thing she did because she was doing her job! and when the interviewer asked her if she wants to apologize to the familes of those prisoners she said no!

Your society has taught you, through many different channels, to hate my people, and the same has occurred here, our societies no longer see each other as fellow humans. Both equate each others entire societies with the actions of a few corrupt individuals within each society. It becomes a snowball effect of violence, each horrible act commited by the other side, fuels more hatred and acts of violence in retaliation. You say our bombing raids are worse than beheadings and suicide bombings, but I'm sure if you had the chance to do the same to a neighborhood in America, I think you would. And the same goes if you were to ask one of my people if they would behead one of the 9/11 hijackers, I'm sure most would say they would happily do it with a rusty knife while pouring salt on their neck. That is the problem, both sides believe their actions are justified, when in reality neither side is, in my opinion. It's a shame there seems to be no way out of this mess our "leaders" have thrown us into, I wish we could all live in harmony, and that religions (personally I am not religious), would teach true tolerance and peace, not to kill those who do not believe the same, and I mean that for Christians and Muslims alike. It really is a shame.









[edit on 21-9-2004 by 27jd]

PRAISE FANOOSE

don't hate fanoose because he is giving us information and these good videos. these videos are the only real news we have. does cnn or fox or bbc have these un-edited videos??? NO!!! this is so because we have these stupid laws that state that to much graphic images is bad for kids or whatever...

DON'T HATE TERRORISTS!!!

there just doing their jobs and their service to allah. if you laugh at them what are you basing them with??? are you comparing them to your religion or your country???

if you said beheadings are bad and their religion is messed up then what is your religion??? your religion has no proof of being real so how can you judge them???

I think that US should ban any foreign civilians form going and work in Iraq until the situation is stable perhaps one day sometime will make that possible but for now Iraq should be off limits.

Originally posted by fanoose
While the fact is the resistance choose individuals who were been warnned several times, and take them as a hostage and give you a chance to free them by accepting their demands.

You mean like the 12 Nepalese who were abducted and killed in the most brutal fashion, there were no demands they were just murdered.
The result of this being widespread rioting against muslims in Nepal, how does this achieve your aims fanoose ?

Originally posted by they see ALL
PRAISE FANOOSE

don't hate fanoose because he is giving us information and these good videos. these videos are the only real news we have. does cnn or fox or bbc have these un-edited videos??? NO!!! this is so because we have these stupid laws that state that to much graphic images is bad for kids or whatever...

'good' videos, you sound like you get off watching them. Why is this real news, I fail to see your point. The videos are sickening thats why they are edited especially if the family or friends have to be subjected to watching this barbarity on the evening news..

original post yb Interearthling
Just so he could get "70 virgins for eternity".

get it right why don�t you�it�s 70 hookers at the gates of hello. That�s what you get when you pray to the devil.

original post yb fanoose
������Once Einstein said :
"Only two things are infinites, the universe and the humen stupidity..".

and he�s been right so many times do you have to work so hard to prove him right yet again.

original post yb mad scientist
The videos are sickening thats why they are edited especially if the family or friends have to be subjected to watching this barbarity on the evening news.

And you think his prurient enjoyment is somehow less important than the well being of the victims families and friends. I guess he could always get a job as the trigger man in a meatpacking plant if al slezeera quits.


[edit on 20-9-2004 by keholmes]

Originally posted by 27jd
Right, and I am correct in stating that because I know if our military were able to take out insurgents without harming innocents, they would, no question about it. And I also draw the comparison that ALL the killing is wrong in my opinion, and don't hold the value of Arab life less.



Nop they still would, Abu Ghraib Or the people on occupations prisons who don't even know why they are there. and if they *really* want to take insurgents they would go for a ground engagements rather than throwing *gifts* from planes. If they want to harm insurgents they would've worked hard to capture the acceptance of the iraqis rather than seizing, shooting and bombing them.





Originally posted by 27jd
See that's where the problem lies, you said they give ME a chance to free them, you are equating all Americans with our government, and we don't all agree with our government, just like you, I'm sure do not agree with yours. And the resistance does not "choose" individuals, they are creatures of opportunity, they know they cannot get soldiers, so they go after unarmed workers, seems cowardly to me, I doubt Allah would approve of cowardice.



You used 'me/You' in your other posts to indicate to our both sides, i thought you already got it, anyway if they are the 'creatures of opportunity' then they're sure a lucky people to me.. with too much luck on their side! and there is no such thing as unarnmed worker, if they know the dangers, they work with the enmey, walking around wthout guards and never listen to the warning of their enemy then hardly to say they are just a workers, . . . they don't live in iraq, they went all the way from their country to another country which is dangerous with a big chance they will be dead. . . they are on their own if you asked me. in the same time you said they cannot get 'soldiers', and why not? unless they are not down streets protecting the people, but either on their closed guarded compounds or flying their planes shooting people like maniacs, claiming they are there to *liberate* them. Also remember iraqis never ever left their homes to attack you nor saddam was a big threat to you than other nations who proudly bragging about their WMD.




Originally posted by 27jd
The insurgents, it can be argued, are just as responsible for those needless deaths, they knowingly base themselves in civilian areas, hoping the US forces will not target them, and if they do, they know the deaths of civilians will further their cause among their people, so they use the deaths of innocent Arabs to their advantage, also something I'm sure Allah would not approve of, if he is a just god.



And how did you know they place them self in civilian areas, al-Zarqawi him self stated more than once he's not living among civilians. Most (if not all) they operations made by the occupations didn't achieve anything except killing families. In the same time the resistance is supported by the iraqis and they don't want any presence of any foreign country in their country so why insist to stay their and bomb people if they already don't want you and support the resistance.




Originally posted by 27jd
ALL governments play by double standards, it's all part of the corruption of power, I'm sure you would agree the House of Saud does the same, except your governments in that region tend to kill you when you disagree with them. I can say as many negative things about Bush as I like here, and have, and nobody will kill me, it's too bad your people do not have the same luxury.



You are right and i totally agree with you but guess what who support those governments? your government. But then my government doesn't interfere in any country's business nor they -force- any kind of education system nor closing charities nor supporting a tiny country like isreal with all kind of weapons along with WMD, and preventing any help to others nor do we force our way of living on others nor our own philosophy, nor democracy nor do we say ''You're either with us or aginst us" . . . and not to forget we dont nuke a country *twice*. and certainly we never invaded countries to *liberate* its oil. . . i mean people.




Originally posted by 27jd
Your society has taught you, through many different channels, to hate my people, and the same has occurred here, our societies no longer see each other as fellow humans. Both equate each others entire societies with the actions of a few corrupt individuals within each society. It becomes a snowball effect of violence, each horrible act commited by the other side, fuels more hatred and acts of violence in retaliation. You say our bombing raids are worse than beheadings and suicide bombings, but I'm sure if you had the chance to do the same to a neighborhood in America, I think you would. And the same goes if you were to ask one of my people if they would behead one of the 9/11 hijackers, I'm sure most would say they would happily do it with a rusty knife while pouring salt on their neck. That is the problem, both sides believe their actions are justified, when in reality neither side is, in my opinion. It's a shame there seems to be no way out of this mess our "leaders" have thrown us into, I wish we could all live in harmony, and that religions (personally I am not religious), would teach true tolerance and peace, not to kill those who do not believe the same, and I mean that for Christians and Muslims alike. It really is a shame.



As i sid again, no one taught me to hate, as hate can't be taught its an instinct . . it comes out when you need to get your message but doen't have the ability to do it or the other side isn't giving you any interest. In the same time i don't hate your people i hate the way they look to others, and don't use expectation that we would bomb a neighborhood in america as you say we might do it, but you're doing it right now. Remember you invaded Iraq they didn't ask for it, nor they did ever do anything to you. Also remember we used to live in harmony and peace, so its not religions fault its those who run the world, and since i'm muslim and i still know some christianity, i can't & won't & don't agree with you that both religion specially Islam teachs you to kill anyone who doesn't believe in your faith, if that was the case then there wouldn't be any non-muslim at the time of caliphate. i never learned christianity through people but through its own sources, so don't say that religion is bad because joe/ali are doing something bad, that's why i never name a religion nor say those who believed in it are bad because of it. and i also think we are way off topic!




Originally posted by marg6043
I think that US should ban any foreign civilians form going and work in Iraq until the situation is stable perhaps one day sometime will make that possible but for now Iraq should be off limits.



You know marg, except for your avater i say you got it right there.




Originally posted by mad scientist
You mean like the 12 Nepalese who were abducted and killed in the most brutal fashion, there were no demands they were just murdered.
The result of this being widespread rioting against muslims in Nepal, how does this achieve your aims fanoose ?



Don't forget the 3 kurds and the 2 sunni muslim who were killed, they also didnt have a chance to be freed. The 12 Nepalese knew the situation & the've been warned . . the occupation promised them with peace and assured them the safety and they were illegally brought from their country so:
- blame the occupation for lying about the peace.
- blame the occupation for not offereding the protection for them.
- blame the occupation for not bringing iraqis instead.
- blame the nepalese for not listening to the warning.
- blame the nepalese for working with occupation.
- blame the resistance for not giving them a chance to be freed.

Mind you they were shot dead except for one who were beheaded. so what happened to them is the same if not less than what happened to others. The nepalese are now blaming the occupation for the deaths, they interviewed a nepales student saying he blames the occupation for luring and illegally bringing the nepalese to a dangerous country after they promised them the protection and safety.




Originally posted by keholmes
get it right why don�t you�it�s 70 hookers at the gates of hello. That�s what you get when you pray to the devil.



You must have been there! or is that where you belong.




Originally posted by keholmes
and he�s been right so many times do you have to work so hard to prove him right yet again.



Thank you for confirming he does fit that saying, as i didin't work hard to prove it but actually you did by reposting it again and giving it your confirmation that he fits into it.

Originally posted by fanoose
Nop they still would, Abu Ghraib Or the people on occupations prisons who don't even know why they are there. and if they *really* want to take insurgents they would go for a ground engagements rather than throwing *gifts* from planes. If they want to harm insurgents they would've worked hard to capture the acceptance of the iraqis rather than seizing, shooting and bombing them.

I guess we just disagree there, I truly believe they do all they can to avoid civilian damage, but I agree it is hard to effectively do so from the air. As for Abu Ghraib, I disagree with the treatment of those prisoners, and again, it's a shame it even came to that. But at least most of those prisoners are still alive (if any died as a result of their treatment, it should definitely be investigated), and they did not have their heads sawed off with a little knife, even you must agree, beheading is supposed to be performed by a clean swipe with a sharp sword, not slowly sawed off, that is inhumane. I hope you can at least agree with that.

You used 'me/You' in your other posts to indicate to our both sides, i thought you already got it,

I didn't intend to if I did, I think it is important to acknowledge that we are both just spectators in these events, neither one of us has the ability to influence them whether we agree with them or not. At least the internet gives us the ability to communicate with the other side, so we don't rely on the demonizing medias of both sides.

anyway if they are the 'creatures of opportunity' then they're sure a lucky people to me.. with too much luck on their side!

Any spider that is patient enough can catch a fly, I don't think it is luck, just persistance.

and there is no such thing as unarnmed worker, if they know the dangers, they work with the enmey, walking around wthout guards and never listen to the warning of their enemy then hardly to say they are just a workers, . . . they don't live in iraq, they went all the way from their country to another country which is dangerous with a big chance they will be dead. . . they are on their own if you asked me.

I agree that they should be aware of the dangers, and that they are gambling with their lives in order get high pay. Not a chance I would take, no amount of money to me would be worth my family knowing the agonizing death I was subjected to. But these beheadings I'm afraid are only going to strengthen the anger and hatred of my people, as you can probably already tell by many of these posts, and maybe even cause Bush to win the election, and I'm afraid that may cause the deaths of many more muslims. I really don't think it is in the insurgents' best interest to commit these acts, unless they want the occupational forces to bring more death to them and, unfortunately, their people.

in the same time you said they cannot get 'soldiers', and why not? unless they are not down streets protecting the people, but either on their closed guarded compounds or flying their planes shooting people like maniacs, claiming they are there to *liberate* them.

When they do travel out of their compounds to protect people, insurgents posing as civilians attack them when their backs are turned, if you or I were in that situation, we would be too punchy and end up shooting an innocent civilian, so that's why this escalation of violence has caused the soldiers to stay low, a further example that our soldiers do not intend to harm civilians, if so, they could easily control the entire country shooting all who may appear suspicious.

Also remember iraqis never ever left their homes to attack you nor saddam was a big threat to you than other nations who proudly bragging about their WMD.

I still agree Saddam was no threat, we had him caged since the Gulf War. If you recall, that's when Bin Laden asked the Saudi royal family for permission to fight Saddam with the Afghan Mujahadeen, instead of calling on U.S. troops, the royal family denied him, and he became angry and was exiled (even though it was for his own good, Saddam would have destroyed them in the open desert, with no mountains to hide in), and Bin Laden became angry our troops were stationed on your holy land, and that began his jihad against us, which indirectly led to this invasion of Iraq, if 9/11 had not happened, nobody would have authorized Bush to attack Iraq, even though Iraq had nothing to do with it (alot of Americans can't understand that).

And how did you know they place them self in civilian areas, al-Zarqawi him self stated more than once he's not living among civilians. Most (if not all) they operations made by the occupations didn't achieve anything except killing families. In the same time the resistance is supported by the iraqis and they don't want any presence of any foreign country in their country so why insist to stay their and bomb people if they already don't want you and support the resistance.

It's not like they are living in insurgent camps away from the city, they would be destroyed. They have to live among the civilians in Fallujah, Najaf, and many other cities, I have never heard Zarqawi state that, if he did he lied. He knows he would have no chance if he were not surrounded by "human shields". I understand the majority of Iraqis do not want us there, it's natural to not want your country occupied, but they are only making it longer supporting the insurgents, but I guess thats their choice.

You are right and i totally agree with you but guess what who support those governments? your government. But then my government doesn't interfere in any country's business nor they -force- any kind of education system nor closing charities nor supporting a tiny country like isreal with all kind of weapons along with WMD, and preventing any help to others nor do we force our way of living on others nor our own philosophy, nor democracy nor do we say ''You're either with us or aginst us" . . . and not to forget we dont nuke a country *twice*. and certainly we never invaded countries to *liberate* its oil. . . i mean people.

I agree, my government supports many brutal regimes, including Saddam when he was at war with Iran. And my government gave him the WMD's he used on the Kurds. And our one-sided support if Israel is unfair as well. I will not argue my government has been at the heart of many corrupt situations, but these terrorists are only giving my government the authority to do as they wish in the eyes of the only people who can stop the government, my people. These actions are only feeding the fear, hate and misunderstanding of your culture.

As i sid again, no one taught me to hate, as hate can't be taught its an instinct . . it comes out when you need to get your message but doen't have the ability to do it or the other side isn't giving you any interest. In the same time i don't hate your people i hate the way they look to others, and don't use expectation that we would bomb a neighborhood in america as you say we might do it, but you're doing it right now. Remember you invaded Iraq they didn't ask for it, nor they did ever do anything to you. Also remember we used to live in harmony and peace, so its not religions fault its those who run the world, and since i'm muslim and i still know some christianity, i can't & won't & don't agree with you that both religion specially Islam teachs you to kill anyone who doesn't believe in your faith, if that was the case then there wouldn't be any non-muslim at the time of caliphate. i never learned christianity through people but through its own sources, so don't say that religion is bad because joe/ali are doing something bad, that's why i never name a religion nor say those who believed in it are bad because of it. and i also think we are way off topic!

Hate is born from fear. The pride of men transforms fear to hate. As far as religion goes, being as I am not muslim or christian (I believe in higher power, just not the way man has defined it), I can tell you from the outside looking in that both sides are commiting this violence in the name of god, when these men saw the head off another human being, they shout "god is great", and my governments current administration also considers its actions the will of god. I think both insult god because any divine being would not rely on humans to carry out its will. But your right, I have gone off topic, unless you consider the source of these actions on both sides.


[edit on 21-9-2004 by 27jd]

Originally posted by mad scientist

'good' videos, you sound like you get off watching them. Why is this real news, I fail to see your point. The videos are sickening thats why they are edited especially if the family or friends have to be subjected to watching this barbarity on the evening news.

.

well not good as in happy good but good in a sense that this stuff is not going to be in textbooks or on the news (in full) so we have to find other options of getting info.

if your current news source is so great: have you ever heard the terrorist's side of their fighting? have you ever heard why they are doing this (i'll give you a clue: it's not a religious thing)... i rest my case...