Pre-Crime NDAA enacted: Government to use Social Media to "predict" terrorism and protests

well, this is it folks. Before the government was hesitant to do this now it looks like they want more power to spy on us!

SAN FRANCISCO – The U.S. government is seeking software that can mine social media to predict everything from future terrorist attacks to foreign uprisings, according to requests posted online by federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

www.foxnews.com...

the pre crime law effects us all including this social media. so from now on becareful what you post you may be considered a terrorist under emporer obama's policy. and you don't want his ss gaurd to come knocking on your door.

reply to post by jjf3rd77

Before the government was hesitant to do this

I really haven't seen any evidence to back up this statement. Can you clarify?

I have seen this coming on the horizon for some time now hence my reasoning for never engaging myself with MySpace or Facebook and adamently speaking out against these types of networks. I've tried several times to help people understand how and why they're helping the government when placing their photo(s) online, but am usually told I need to relax and stop being paranoid. For example, I don't look anything like my driver's license photo, so it would be difficult for them to place me into their facial recognition database, but those on Facebook (and other sites where posters encourage others to post recent photos of themselves) are simply and happily playing right into the elites' hands. Given recent photos and online statements that people willingly provide, it's now easier than ever for anyone to put a file together with one's political and social views and their file's main page comes complete with a current photo of yourself. So, walk softly, folks, and remember that more than just your friends and relatives desire recent photos of you.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


I was reading before (cant remember where), that the gov were looking to employ a company that can track everything online for them and create the software etc.

Essentially what they are saying

ALL YOUR INFORMATION BELONGS TO US

Well if were not floating towards a world like Minority Report it must be a mirage. PRE-CRIME

When i worked for Laing O`Rourke on a construction site in County Duhram (N.E - UK) we used Aurora retina scanners for clock in / clock out , we had fingerprints took , and were subject to "random drug tests" , when i started they wanted my weight , height and blood type. This was in 2004 and i still cant find anything on the web but this , here`s a little confirmation .......

www.infoworks.laingorourke.com...

---->" We’re not just talking CCTV. Bomb-proofing, retinal scanning, fingerprinting and face-recognition technology are all par for the course. The information contained within data centres has always been sensitive, but clients are now additionally concerned about the threat of cyber-terrorism. "

I hate to be the bearer of bad news...

But this has been going on for YEARS now.

We used to use software to track employee traffic while working for the DoD. This software would also "read" the contents of the page being searched and scan for keywords we didn't like.

C'mon people...

You think some crazy bastard can write software to crawl the Internet and "predict" the future, but the government can't crawl social media and "predict" terrorist activities?

I am disappointed in ATS for not realizing this has been done for ages now...

reply to post by RockLobster


That's very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

This past weenkend, my aunt and uncle were visiting from North Carolina. While we were out to lunch, my uncle and I started discussing guns and concealed carry permits. He took his out of his wallet and I did the same. I was really surprised to see that his concealed carry permit did not include a photo of him. Here in Florida, it's required that you to go to a place that does passport photos and send the picture to the office with your paperwork. After completing the class and sending in my photo and paperwork, my permit came in the mail within the week. My uncle said he had to wait about two to three months for his to arrive after applying. I'm curious to know which states require your photo on concealed carry permits and the reason for not needing a photo on the permit like you do on most driver's licenses.

Also, for the record, my driver's license photo and the one on my concealed carry permit look like two different people.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


FEAR NOT!!!

it is waaaay much easier to Create an identity
than to steal one

just baffle them with bullsnip

DerepentLEstranger v.??

i have my work as terrorist on facebook...im doomed

reply to post by YouAreLiedTo


indeed.

until maybe the 10 years ago, the military was always 20+ years ahead of commercial technology.

Motorola is that classic example.

this article just means the tech is freely available to corporations now.

reply to post by Afterthought

For example, I don't look anything like my driver's license photo, so it would be difficult for them to place me into their facial recognition database,

Facial recognition software does not work on the basis of what you "look like"... it actually measures biometric information like the distance between your eyes, head length, various proportions, etc., etc., etc. If you're counting on changing your looks to fool it, you're going to be severely disappointed.

The real question is what this could do to "innocent until proven guilty". On one hand, if properly implemented, it could alert police to watch certain individuals more closely and therefore be in better position to stop a crime in progress. on the other hand, it could conceivably be used to harass or even detain individuals on the basis of this survey, destroying the American ideals we are so used to.

Not long ago, something similar to this was tried on truckers in Minnesota. They called it a "fatigue survey" and used it for quite a while to place drivers out of commission for things like having too many magazines in their bunk, not making their bed in the morning, or having a TV with them. The practice was overturned, but not before a lot of drivers were placed out of service and fined illegally.

It's mid-March, 1861. April 11 is coming.

TheRedneck

reply to post by TheRedneck


Thanks for clarifying that.
Many years ago when 7-11s started placing cameras throughout their parking lots, I immediately thought about facial recognition technology and how 7-11s would be the perfect place for this to test it out. I mean, who doesn't go into 7-11s? If they were looking for those who had warrants out on them or people who were wanted for crimes, 7-11 would be the place to start.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Afterthought

For example, I don't look anything like my driver's license photo, so it would be difficult for them to place me into their facial recognition database,

Facial recognition software does not work on the basis of what you "look like"... it actually measures biometric information like the distance between your eyes, head length, various proportions, etc., etc., etc. If you're counting on changing your looks to fool it, you're going to be severely disappointed.

The real question is what this could do to "innocent until proven guilty". On one hand, if properly implemented, it could alert police to watch certain individuals more closely and therefore be in better position to stop a crime in progress. on the other hand, it could conceivably be used to harass or even detain individuals on the basis of this survey, destroying the American ideals we are so used to.

Not long ago, something similar to this was tried on truckers in Minnesota. They called it a "fatigue survey" and used it for quite a while to place drivers out of commission for things like having too many magazines in their bunk, not making their bed in the morning, or having a TV with them. The practice was overturned, but not before a lot of drivers were placed out of service and fined illegally.

It's mid-March, 1861. April 11 is coming.

TheRedneck

edit on 2/13/2012 by TheRedneck because: (no reason given)

Facial recognition technology also doesn't work as well as you are making it out to.

Something as simple as the direction the head is facing will throw off the software quite easily. Even when you have two bust-quality full frontal pictures, the software still can't correctly match people half the time.

Right now it is used more in a "here is a possibility, now someone verify it" role... As opposed to a "here's a match, it's official" role.

Kind of like fingerprint software. It's only used to give possible matches and then it is verified by a human.

reply to post by YouAreLiedTo

You are absolutely correct, and I apologize if I made it sound otherwise. Facial recognition is in development stage, although I have been told it is improving rapidly. One of the major problems as I understand it is indeed the perspective views obtained, and 3D software modeling techniques are being used to try and correct that.

That information may be out of date, but that is the story as I understand it now.

TheRedneck

The first step to tyranny is to make lists of "desirables" and "outcastes" anything that puts you aginst TPTB puts you at risk. Next goes the cash systems so they can track everything. Finally they turn off the accounts of outcasts to create a caste of criminals, using "law enforcement" to round them up. This will be done in an insidious way to make it appear the outcastes chose of their own free will to engage in crime, when the reality is that they had a technologically forced choice of either suicide, starving to death, or become part of the criminal underworld.

Even if it's still considered in its development stage, what about that program you can use now to locate yourself in other photos online? I don't know much about this, but I thought it could even pick you out of a crowd of hundreds of people and place a box around your face so you can see where you are in the photo.

Here's an article about it. It's called Mugspot if I'm thinking of the right thing.
www.sciencedaily.com...

The new "Mugspot" software module developed at the University of Southern California automatically analyzes video images, looking for passers-by. When it finds them, it picks out the heads in the images and then tracks the heads for as long as they remain in the camera's field.

As far as most people are aware, the government has had this stuff way before they release it for public use.
Really makes you wonder if this technology isn't further along than we think.

Originally posted by eywadevotee
The first step to tyranny is to make lists of "desirables" and "outcastes" anything that puts you aginst TPTB puts you at risk. Next goes the cash systems so they can track everything. Finally they turn off the accounts of outcasts to create a caste of criminals, using "law enforcement" to round them up. This will be done in an insidious way to make it appear the outcastes chose of their own free will to engage in crime, when the reality is that they had a technologically forced choice of either suicide, starving to death, or become part of the criminal underworld.

This is completely true. The criminals will become the new "good guys" in a Robin Hood sort of sense.