Israel Blames Iran Of Bombings In India, Georgia

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I've received some training for the purpose of securing Entry Control Points. One of the things we are told to be careful of is, when searching vehicles, to avoid searching with direct lighting sources, as there have been several instances of photo-triggered bombs. IE - you shine your flash-light on it, and that is what trips the detonator, and you go boom before you even have time to process the image.

They use cell phones and a host of other electronics as detonators (even have some set to delay their response after picking up the band-jamming EOD uses).

The only limits when making a bomb are restricted to the "authors" imagination.

Yet, I fail to see the relevance of this to the thread.

Kind of ironic... on one hand, you argue that people underestimate Iran... then on the other, use the fact that magnets were used in a bomb as a reason to exclude them (because everyone knows that Iranians are too retarded to figure out how to use magnets - they'd end up stuck to the damned bomb).

To me, what's ironic, is the fact that you come here trying to educate me, and you have clearly misjudged all my previous posts (and for the way you talk, you are also referring to other posts in other threads).

Yes, I don't want people to underestimate Iran. Nor any other country for that matter. It's when you underestimate a country that you get buttraped without knowing where it came from.

How is that a wrong thing to say? Is it wrong that I don't consider Iran a bunch of apes that yell "Allah Akbar"? Is it wrong that at least I have enough respect for any nation of this world before labeling them with anything? Good or bad?

I think not. I've been raised in order to give people equal opportunities, and respect others if I want to be respected. That is true between individuals, that is true between nations and cultures.

I don't see them as raging morons and extremists just because their culture is different than mine, or because they are still learning the meaning of life and how to respect it (mention to human rights violations). We (western countries) are still learning. Why not comprehend them instead of judging them? Or have we all forgotten that it was countries like yours and mine that were responsible for things as "civilized" as slavery?

You see, it was that (slavery example) kind of culturally-egocentric views that made us THINK we were superior to african people, and made us THINK we had the right to put them in cages and ship them back home to work for us.

I will not forget the past mistakes, I will not accept free violence and prejudice. Period.

As for the second part, no I am not excluding them because I'm stating they are unable to produce a magnetic bomb. They actually have a space program, they actually are developing nuclear power, they are actually capable of bringing down and researching an US spy drone.

And it's exactly because of the very smart foreign policy that Iran has that I do not think they were responsible for this. It's just plain stupid, moronic even. Why would they bomb israeli diplomats inside a country that is their main buyer of oil?

Why? Why would they attack one of the few countries who are refusing to obey the sanctions, even if for just this time period?

Just because I don't state all the reasons for my stand, doesn't mean I don't have them.

MO stands for Modus Operandis (Operative mode). Anyone can kill with a knife, but when a serial killer uses the knife in a certain way, that's his signature, that's his MO. That was my argument used. I never said Iran was unable to manufacture a magnetic bomb.

Of course... you also overlook the possibility that Iran -wants- you to think Israel is false-flagging all over the place, in an attempt to get you to rabidly attack Israel for even existing, getting you to salivate at the prospect of screaming Jews.

Yes. And apparently they are so good in false flags, that they actually bombed one of their own major nuclear scientists and teachers, just to prove a point.

And I'm the one being xenophobe?

But, we all know they don't want that. It's not like they chant death to Israel on the floor of their parliament.

Yes. Of course. It's not like Israel isn't knocking on several country's door saying "can we please bomb Iran now? plllleeeeeease".

Originally posted by Aeons

So people are focusing on the New Delhi car bomb. What about the one in Georgia that didn't go off? Chechnians?

I'd assume. Are we ignoring the Georgia one for some reason?

I know bombing wives is much sexier news, but let's stay focused eh?

edit on 2012/2/13 by Aeons because: (no reason given)

The only reason why I'm focusing on the Indian bombing, it's because there is more info on it. But I'm actually doing the same for the Georgia bombing. Since it didn't go off, there aren't a lot of news about it.

Same with the Amsterdam threat, by the way.

But, since you apparently have so much information, instead of being condescending, why don't you add up to the thread?

I would like to people who are starting to get emotional and confrontational with me, would point me where I did put the sign saying "this is an anti-Israel and anti-US thread" sign.

Just saying.

It's clear that Iran is no threat. They would never attack another country. Ever. They're a peaceful country that just wants to be left alone.

Portugal, however, it the true evil of the world. They are the ones we need to watch and surround. Tifozi is one of them! Get him!

Originally posted by Tifozi
And it's exactly because of the very smart foreign policy that Iran has that I do not think they were responsible for this. It's just plain stupid, moronic even. Why would they bomb israeli diplomats inside a country that is their main buyer of oil?
Why? Why would they attack one of the few countries who are refusing to obey the sanctions, even if for just this time period?

Take your opportunities where you have them.

Yes. Of course. It's not like Israel isn't knocking on several country's door saying "can we please bomb Iran now? plllleeeeeease".

Actually, they are more like saying, "You do it, or we will." Frankly, the foreign boogeyman doing causes fewer problems.


Now, here is what I find interesting. Saud funds extremist Mosques and teaching in both India and the area between the Caspian and the Black Sea. A primary mover in the GCC, and probably the primary mover behind stalling in Syria and wanting to distribute out the blame for doing something in Syria to the UN.

Things that make you go ...hmmmmmmm......

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I'm just curious how people put together false flag in a distributed attack. As false flag goes, that has lots of prongs to get caught on.

Originally posted by Echo3Foxtrot
It's clear that Iran is no threat. They would never attack another country. Ever. They're a peaceful country that just wants to be left alone.

Portugal, however, it the true evil of the world. They are the ones we need to watch and surround. Tifozi is one of them! Get him!

Yeah, my country is provably the most evil there is.

Just wait and see until we release our soccer fury. We have Cristiano Ronaldo. lol

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That's scarier than anything Iran has. Nukes? Forget about it!

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Take your opportunities where you have them.

Yes. They have one called "Straight of Hormuz".

Putting chewing gum on home-made bombs and sending splinters against diplomatic personnel wife's isn't really a big opportunity for anything, really.

Actually, they are more like saying, "You do it, or we will."

Yes, very peaceful indeed.

Saud funds extremist Mosques and teaching in both India and the area between the Caspian and the Black Sea. A primary mover in the GCC, and probably the primary mover behind stalling in Syria and wanting to distribute out the blame for doing something in Syria to the UN.

Things that make you go ...hmmmmmmm......

I have no doubts there are major proxy operations in Syria. Both sides have stated that. Both sides have argued that Syria is a almost like a training for Iran.

I'm just curious how people put together false flag in a distributed attack. As false flag goes, that has lots of prongs to get caught on.

I have actually made no reference to false flags in my posts. Other members did. I'm actually just reporting the news and giving some personal views on the issue, being mostly neutral.

Syria isn't training for Iran. Syria is keeping Syria dealing with its own business so that the whole Islamic corridor doesn't decide now is there time to make a move.

I forgot to add previously - if the Sauds were to cut gas to Iran for a bit, this whole thing would be over.

www.poten.com...

Iran has gas reserves that it exports, but its production doesn't meet its demand last I looked.

Agree with most of you, that israel is trying way to hard to spin eveyrthing bad, and blame it on Iran, What next hmmm I guess that will be tomorrows news

I keep thinking of that movie with Mel Gibson....Edge of Darkness (2010)

who's to say that Israel wont just make a nuke look like it came from Iran and set it off in the USA.....we would have wars from here to the new stone age. They wouldn't need much to do it.

Originally posted by casenately
I keep thinking of that movie with Mel Gibson....Edge of Darkness (2010)

who's to say that Israel wont just make a nuke look like it came from Iran and set it off in the USA.....we would have wars from here to the new stone age. They wouldn't need much to do it.

That's why I don't believe in false flags.

If such a thing existed as people make it seem, the world would be utterly chaotic. It would be too easy to make things look a certain way.

The matter of fact is that governments usually play with the flow of information and propaganda, and looking at the way people think around here, it works just fine. They don't actually need something like a false flag.

People are already jumping on the wagon of "let's attack Iran" without even knowing why they want it.

in.reuters.com...

Has Israel also been bombing the gas lines that supply it from Egypt?

Originally posted by Aeons
in.reuters.com...

Has Israel also been bombing the gas lines that supply it from Egypt?

Who cares?

Israel is the cause root of all the troubles in the ME.

Be thankful its just Gas Lines.

Originally posted by Tifozi
Update from Indiatv

Assailants Use Magnetic Bomb To Blow Up Israeli Embassy Car In Delhi, 3 Injured

This is not funny anymore, and it's very hard to assume this was done by the iranians since the MO was the same that killed their nuclear scientist.

If a vehicle is in the possession of the attackers then they have as much time as they like to turn it into a portable bomb, or vehicle-borne IED (VBIED). It can then be driven into position to be detonated at a time of their choosing or alternatively they can draft in some nutter to set it off with them still inside.

If they do not have prior access to it then obviously a bomb must be attached in short order. The use of magnets to achieve this is pretty typical and the circumstances dictate that they are used; it is not some super-secret cool Mossad trademark tactic and in itself there is nothing at all suspicious about this.

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I agree and don't.

Like the war with Spain over Cuba...a boiler exploded and we fought Spain...did we do it...I don't think so

The war with Iraq, they used 9/11.....OMFG that was a bunch of bull. They sure as hell didn't do it.

The war with Iran, nothing has happened yet, but I'm sure it will. That will be the most obvious false flag ever. They tend to messy with loose ends....Killing people only leaves endless loose ends with family, friends, children, coworkers, communities....etc
we can count on it being very well documented sooner or later.

The idea of false flags is solid. If I was them and I had this entire business based on war, I would too. It's just smart, they would go out of business without a war. The beauty of the cold war was the boogey man didn't need to show up. We lost that when Russia showed up at the table asking for the west's aid.
If they don't use false flag, they would be like kids in a lemon aid stand in winter wet paint on the sign and all.


I could even respect them when they just lied to us. Now they are taking it on a new level and causing the outright deaths of far too many. If they were just smart and good at what they do, I could live and let live. They instead are cooking for the death of far too much of humanity. It is instinct to protect your kind. I see my species threatened as a whole. Any animal would take issue with the extinction of its kind. That to me is the worst case, nothing less.

Originally posted by Tifozi

People are already jumping on the wagon of "let's attack Iran" without even knowing why they want it.

It could be related to the fact that Iran is making almost daily threats against Israel and Western Democracy?

It could be related to Iran's not so covert development of what is needed to create nuclear weapons and that they already have tested the missile delivery system?

It could be that Iran rather than calling for a Palestinian State wants Israel gone and is openly funding organizations that are actively trying to do away with Israel? Read the Hamas Charter lately?

What do you think the end result will be if Iran carries through on it's threats?

The old lie that Iran remains peacefully behind its borders is great propaganda, but it's still a lie. Even the Saudi's are a little more than convinced Iran poses a risk to them.

Israel whether you agree with them or not, has good reason to distrust Iran and even fear them. When another nation says without hesitation it wants to destroy you, you would be mad to not take them at their word.

Sadly the citizens of Iran are also victims of this. They are lead by a demonstrably insane figurehead who thinks he is to herald in the Last Imam, who is a puppet for the true Dictators in the Theocracy that would rule the world.

Not knowing what information Israel has, it could well be that Iran is acting like Iran and while pretending to remain behind it's borders are taking action using their normal sock puppets.

If I had thousands of missiles in the hands of Terrorists, Jihadists and insane Dictators pointed at me, I'd be plenty concerned and really stupid if I did not take counter measures.

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The only limits when making a bomb are restricted to the "authors" imagination.

Yet, I fail to see the relevance of this to the thread.

Exactly why you should leave analysis of facts up to people with minds more suited to that sort of work.

You made the assertion that it wasn't the MO of "terrorists" (specifically, Iranian terrorists) because of the construction of the bomb.

This would be applicable in civilian cases - where you are looking at one guy making bombs and there are particular 'tics' to their work. But terrorists are a notoriously diverse and resourceful group. Their people have trouble coming up with enough water to drink. Yet they are capable of coming up with bombs detonated by cellular phones.

To me, what's ironic, is the fact that you come here trying to educate me, and you have clearly misjudged all my previous posts (and for the way you talk, you are also referring to other posts in other threads).

You left yourself open for it, but you're reading far too much into my post. I try not to let forum threads run together. It has disastrous consequences for the server-forum continuum.

How is that a wrong thing to say? Is it wrong that I don't consider Iran a bunch of apes that yell "Allah Akbar"? Is it wrong that at least I have enough respect for any nation of this world before labeling them with anything? Good or bad?

True, it could be a bunch of things.

However, the Isralis also have their own intelligence sources. Sure - they have their own motives for blaming Iran.

I'm just calling your straw-grasping for what it was. As were other posters. Surely, you're made of something stern enough to take a little ribbing.

I think not. I've been raised in order to give people equal opportunities, and respect others if I want to be respected. That is true between individuals, that is true between nations and cultures.

I was taught to discipline children and train animals. The difficulty is deciding which one of those two categories Iran is in.

Sure - respect is part of it, but you can't respect a dog into being a human (as much of a person as it may be to you). And you can't "respect" a child into being an adult. They have to grow into that (a process that, in itself, demands respect).

But this is getting off into human psychology and my melodramatic, facetious expressions of my hubris.

I don't see them as raging morons and extremists just because their culture is different than mine, or because they are still learning the meaning of life and how to respect it (mention to human rights violations). We (western countries) are still learning. Why not comprehend them instead of judging them? Or have we all forgotten that it was countries like yours and mine that were responsible for things as "civilized" as slavery?

You're trying to apply some kind of soul-judging to this.

It's pretty simple. They either understand how to interact in a peaceful manner with our society. Or they don't.

If they don't - we don't need to go out of our way to cause problems with them, but neither can we afford to sit and allow them to terrorize everybody else.

Iran is a case, however, where we can't just put them in time-out (which requires the kid to comply). They continue to cause harm and problems despite our efforts to prevent them from doing so. We have a thing called the death penalty for a reason. We shouldn't take that as a judgment of the person's worth as a human being - but, clearly, their living with us is not working out so well. It's either them or us... and, well... I'm biased in my own favor.

Now - exile is an option - but I'm not quite sure how practical that idea is in this case... or how well it will be received. If they are less than willing to stop blowing up Israel ... I'm not quite sure how we are going to convince them to get onto a rocket that will blast them out into space (though I can think of some humorous suggestions).

I will not forget the past mistakes, I will not accept free violence and prejudice. Period.

Perhaps that's why you have such trouble acknowledging that you just described Iran and attempt to deflect it upon its critics.

It's just plain stupid, moronic even. Why would they bomb israeli diplomats inside a country that is their main buyer of oil?

You're presuming a homogenous terrorism system with a unified command structure. Iran has been fighting, internally, over the past... forever. I'm sure they have a few Leroy Jenkins in their ranks, as well.

Just because I don't state all the reasons for my stand, doesn't mean I don't have them.

Kind of hard to fault someone for criticizing the lack of a view you failed to express.

When I was a teenager I used to be a camp counselor at the YMCA. This situation reminds me of the two "high-maintenance" kids constantly pointing the finger at each other saying "you did that", "you did this", "I'm telling", "Let's fight"... This is ridiculous. What is going to be the end result? WW3? I am not a hater, but why do we back Israel when there has always been so much controversy? I guess it boils down as it always does, to money and world domination. Who has the most and flashiest guns, or in this situation, nukes, or advanced technologies. How do you think they nailed the drone? Let's protect our boarders, update our infrastructure including nuclear facilities, prepare with up to date power outage back up systems for all major grid systems, and why we're at it---bring back USA manufacturing. Let's fix this country!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Exile and isolation of the parties on either side of the Red sea and the bottom of Asia is not particularly likely. You could literally raise the sea levels on the planet by 100m and this area would still be a gigantic painful boil for trade routes.

As far as I can tell, the Islamic states don't want a good glass of water. Projects that do such useful things seem to the first thing targeted for destruction.

I'll give Libya that that fresh water underground sea being tapped was really something else.