does Iran want war

I want to hear your thoughts on this, do you think Iran is pushing the USA or do you think it is the USA that is trying to start war?

I dont think the world wants a group of people to own a nuke, they try to kill everything as is, and if they do have a nuke they will use it the first chance they have.

Iran is ruled by a government called Sharia, which follows the strict teachings of Muhammad via the Quran. If you read the Quran you will know what the Mullah's want. Yes, they want war. Islam mandates that you force all infidels to either convert to Islam and submit, or die.

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I have a feeling Iran has always wanted war but they've been waiting for another country to make a move first and give them the excuse to fire off missiles so as to make themselves look like the good guys (although some crazy ATS members already decided they were a while ago due to their anti-freedom stances posted on this site)

The corporate U.S. government is the only ones claiming Iran is a threat. Its for sure by U.S. governments history of lies and deceit, and warmongering acts of terror on just about everything they touch, and everywhere they go that Iran doesn't want war. Certainly you don't believe U.S. government, do you? Have you seen any proof Iran wants war, or has nukes? U.S. Government has tons of nukes. They're the ones we need to get rid of.

My thoughts on the subject are complicated, but are as follows. America wants oil, needs oil for its future survival.

As of right now America is the most powerful military force in the world. It knows it cannot stay this way forever. America as well as every other powerful nation in the world that its infrastructure is antiqued-ed. Using oil for nearly every aspect of its empire.

So in the short term it needs to control nearly almost all oil fields in the middle east region, and will do so with any means necessary.

Israel because of there faith and being the chosen people have fought hard to obtain and hold their nation state. Being surrounded by their enemies who fail to recognize them as human beings. Israel because of their inherit fiscal values have bribed (bought) whatever, America into being their allies. Something America is not proud of, but have given them nuclear weapons the only thing keeping the hounds at bay.

Iran not being like its counterparts in the region, being more western in thought is not threatened by Israel and its rhetoric. These Persians refuse to bow to a country or any country even though they might be out numbered or out gunned. Call it pride or self respect but they will not allow themselves to be threatened by any country or nation.

Do i believe Iran wants a ww3 scenario. No! But they will not back down from a fight. America knows this as well as Israel. Hence the black ops missions being carried out in Iran today. Israel is threatened by this. And is trying to provoke a war with Iran. To Iran's credit it has not allowed itself to be threatened by this. Although one must ask how much longer will Iran being backed into a corner allow this.

Does America desire war with Iran. I believe it does. One because it's infrastructure is failing, big time. its needs war, war = money and america needs alot of it.

As of a nuclear missle or weapons of mass destruction i believe right now they have as many as they need. Not by making them themselves but rather bought or traded through oil. everyone needs oil and will do or GIVE anything to get it.

Will they use it, YES

why would they willingly give their oil away by not fighting. They will fight and unlike their counter parts will destroy the region in the process.

Originally posted by theBigToe
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Oh hi there, how are you today, fascist appeasement monkey?

Think I have already had the conversation with you about why the two bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justifiable. Having to make a decision between less then 200,000 Japanese lives lost or millions of both Allied and Japanese lives lost invading and occupying the mainland of the Emprie of Japan. Maybe you should go reference that thread again and let some logic sink in?

edit on 11-2-2012 by theBigToe because: (no reason given)

If you want to have a debate/argument on topic, please feel free to start it.

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Thank you I knew that but i feel your post was perfect being the first one so when those who don't know can read that and hopefully not become bias.

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Just make a thread and don't respond to any questions about it? I am interested to hear your replies to my questions.

Originally posted by superman2012
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Just make a thread and don't respond to any questions about it?

I am interested to hear your replies to my questions.

Hello
It seems this topic really boils your blood; I am only going off the religious point of view. I have firsthand experience not with Iran but with the religion and I have seen things that are horrible and they say they do it for Ayla. I only know Iran from things I read in world news, but I know their religion first hand.

Originally posted by conlget

Originally posted by superman2012
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Just make a thread and don't respond to any questions about it?

I am interested to hear your replies to my questions.

Hello

It seems this topic really boils your blood; I am only going off the religious point of view. I have firsthand experience not with Iran but with the religion and I have seen things that are horrible and they say they do it for Ayla. I only know Iran from things I read in world news, but I know their religion first hand.

The link I gave you was also a viewpoint on their religion from someone in that religion. The topic doesn't boil my blood, the part that boils my blood are the people that make ignorant posts full of conjecture or their own opinions while stating it as fact. I have no problem with people having a differing opinion than me, I just ask that they back it up with facts. If you go through most of the Iran threads you will see that they are very thin on facts, but, very heavy with conjecture and opinions on why Iran must be destroyed. I don't wish for losses of life on either side, but, sadly, when I argue "for" Iran, I am labelled anti-american, or an islamic appeasement monkey (before he edited it to make it fascist). I can't believe people don't have critical thinking. Iran may be trying to build a bomb, we have no proof. That's like going over and killing your neighbor because you don't like them and they might be buying a gun. A preemptive strike is ridiculous having the knowledge (or lack thereof) about Iran's nuclear program.

Edit:

You also said this:

I dont think the world wants a group of people to own a nuke, they try to kill everything as is, and if they do have a nuke they will use it the first chance they have.

I asked for sources for your statements...unless they are your own opinions.

" Think I have already had the conversation with you about why the two bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justifiable. Having to make a decision between less then 200,000 Japanese lives lost or millions of both Allied and Japanese lives lost invading and occupying the mainland of the Emprie of Japan. Maybe you should go reference that thread again and let some logic sink in? "

This is what I said to you minus the insult, and it was perfectly relevant to the topic because you made a statement regarding it.

Quit trolling.

Originally posted by theBigToe
" Think I have already had the conversation with you about why the two bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justifiable. Having to make a decision between less then 200,000 Japanese lives lost or millions of both Allied and Japanese lives lost invading and occupying the mainland of the Emprie of Japan. Maybe you should go reference that thread again and let some logic sink in? "

This is what I said to you minus the insult, and it was perfectly relevant to the topic because you made a statement regarding it.

Quit trolling.

This thread was made about Iran wanting war or not.

I dont think the world wants a group of people to own a nuke, they try to kill everything as is, and if they do have a nuke they will use it the first chance they have.

To which I replied:

The only group to ever use the bomb as soon as they developed one was, USA. Please explain how Iran "tries to kill everything as is, and if they do have a nuke they will use it the first chance they have."? Sources or your opinion is welcome.

My point was to show that the only nation to drop a bomb was the USA. I didn't say they did it illegally. I didn't say it was wrong.
I was asking how the conclusion was made that Iran would drop the bomb the "first chance they have".
This has nothing to do with WW2. I made a statement relevant to the OP. You didn't. Don't get hung up on it, everyone makes mistakes.

Edit: If you want to further discuss this U2U me, I'm not going to contribute to this thread anymore, unless it's on topic. I don't want this ignorant thread to make it on the Active New Topics page.

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I guess you can say i am using past knowledge,

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I look at it this way; If Iran wants to bomb some country they want to go to war with, what will that accomplish? Let's see 1. The US will want to go to war with them because we always have to help a fellow country out. 2. The country they bombed will want to go to war with them 3. Some other country that feels threatend by the Nuke will want to go to war with them, etc. I'm pretty sure that the US is not attempting something because if we go to war it will just cause us more problems now that the US is downsizing the Military due to the fact that the US is in debpt a billion dallars+. So tell me why in the heck would Iran want to destroy themselves. Maby this is some large scale hoax to scare their neighboring country's or they are just plain imbeciles.