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Originally posted by Annee
I don't agree.
People do things all the time for the right reason - - without thought to a pay back.
I used to be very self-righteous with integrity. Then one day I woke up and understood I can still be personally self-righteous with integrity - - - and not be stupid in turning down an opportunity.
If you do something - - people find it interesting and want to pay you - - take the Damn money!
Originally posted by Annee
I don't agree.
People do things all the time for the right reason - - without thought to a pay back.
I used to be very self-righteous with integrity. Then one day I woke up and understood I can still be personally self-righteous with integrity - - - and not be stupid in turning down an opportunity.
If you do something - - people find it interesting and want to pay you - - take the Damn money!
Originally posted by daskakik
Originally posted by Annee
I don't agree.
People do things all the time for the right reason - - without thought to a pay back.
I used to be very self-righteous with integrity. Then one day I woke up and understood I can still be personally self-righteous with integrity - - - and not be stupid in turning down an opportunity.
If you do something - - people find it interesting and want to pay you - - take the Damn money!
I have no problem with that but don't say it's wrong and then do it. That shows a lack in integrity even if he wasn't initially thinking of turning a buck .
Originally posted by Annee
No it doesn't.
To do it in the first place with intent and an "eye" on a pay off is wrong.
To accept opportunity you were not planning for or expecting - - - is not wrong. And you'd be stupid to reject it.
Kind of like that story of the 3 men stuck on a rooftop in a flood.
Actually you don't know what his original intentions were.
If that someone was my daughter I would do it face to face, not on the net.
I say they are both wrong, but I will be more understanding of a teen that acts childish than an adult that does the same.
Your just making excuses on his behalf. Nobody put a gun to his head and forced him to tape his vid and upload it. He could have chosen another way.
Or not handled at all because the parents never found out and the kids ended up growing up just fine. That is why I keep saying that this wasn't a big deal.
Wrong, had he approached her and told her I printed this off of your FB and then taken the laptop and shot it full of holes, he would have still handled things in the same way, with the same effect.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by daskakik
Neither do you. But we do know what his actions were, and he never asked for income from this video. Ergo, there is no evidence he made it with the intention of profit. I find it hard to understand why you insist on believing he did so in the absence of even circumstantial evidence.
“It just so happens that I know a little bit more about Tommy Jordan than the majority of you know…This video that was posted by Mr. Jordan is fake…Mr Jordan’s video was an attempt to create a viral video…the laptop computer did not belong to his daughter…it’s just an old laptop he had laying down there…the whole thing is a hoax…his daughter didn’t post any of these comments about him…”
Here again is that assembly-line, one-size-fits-all thinking. He already did just that! It did not work! Continuing to do the same thing over and over while expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I absolutely disagree. A teen can never become an adult by coddling.
Do you really believe it is preferable to let her off scot-free this time knowing full well that next time may literally be dangerous to her?
No, he could not! That is the whole point; the teen was so far out of control already that anything less could have been considered child neglect.
I'm sorry; that is a fantasy. Children do not raise themselves to be happy successful adults, and parents who do not discipline effectively have dysfunctional children.
Proof, please? He had already confronted her once and that did no good.
Actually he posted that he had monetized the video so I don't see how that is circumstancial evidence.
Here is someone who says the whole vid is a hoax:
How is me choosing to do things my way one-size-fits-all thinking.
You can disagree all you want but well ajusted adults that have been raised by coddling prove you wrong.
Knowing full well that next time may be dangerous. What you can see the future know?
No a gun was not put to his head.
Source: dictionary.reference.com...
fig·ur·a·tive
adjective
- of the nature of or involving a figure of speech, especially a metaphor; metaphorical and not literal, as in figurative language .
- metaphorically so called: His remark was a figurative boomerang.
- abounding in or fond of figures of speech: Elizabethan poetry is highly figurative.
- representing by means of a figure or likeness, as in drawing or sculpture.
- representing by a figure or emblem; emblematic.
Didn't say they raise themselves I said that certain types of venting can be taken for what they are and overlooked and still end up with functional adults.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by daskakik
After the fact... not before.
Nice vid, and I will admit that I had my doubts after watching it. However, I caught a few things
Now I may be wrong and this guy may know exactly what he is talking about... but I doubt it. He's wrong about Jordan's IT experience, he is misinformed about what Jordan probably does with his wife in business, and he exhibits an inordinate amount of jealousy over Jordan's other endeavors. So, based on that, I will continue to believe the video this thread is about and chalk this one up to a cranky, jealous old man who feels a desperate need to prove his ignorance to the world.
You can do things you way all you want; the problem is you do not want others to do things their way, as evidenced by your refusal to try and understand the situation here.
I don't know very many of those; the ones I know who have been coddled instead of trained have always grown up to be bums, hate-filled, or lazy/shiftless.
No, I can see the past. I know that the sun rose in the east every morning since I was born, so I 'know' it will rise in the east tomorrow morning. I know that people have gotten themselves in trouble a great many times by slandering someone, and I fully expect that the next person who does so will get themselves into trouble as well.
fig·ur·a·tive
adjective - of the nature of or involving a figure of speech, especially a metaphor; metaphorical and not literal, as in figurative language
I can actually agree with you on this! But where I will disagree is when that is used as an excuse to overlook behavior in public that is unacceptable.
He may not be wrong about Jordan's IT experience. I know lots of people that dabble in IT/web development. Doesn't make them IT guys in the professional sense. He even said that he would not have seen the daughter's post if it hadn't been for a FB account that they made for the family dog.
Source: spayneuter.bearcreekvet.net...
Tommy grew up on the Outer Banks of North Carolina. After graduating high school he went spent the next 14 years in Greenville, North Carolina where he opened his own IT Consulting and computer networking company, Twisted Networx. He traveled the world for a few years as a Project Manager for an overseas firm and eventually found and fell in love all over again with his high school sweetheart, Dr. Amy.
Emphasis mine
Nope, they could do things however they like, but it doesn't make them better parents than those who don't do things like them.
But the existance of even one throws your theory out the window.
People slander all the time without repercussions, so this theory is also flawed.
But it wasn't even figuratively. He could have done a number of things besides what he did without a figurative gun figuratively blowing his brains out.
The problem is that "unacceptable" is subjective...
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by TheRedneck
Some turning out OK and some not doesn't make your claims true. Fact is most people turn out OK.
Unacceptable to you doesn't really make it unacceptable to society.
Define whatever you like, however you like and I will just have to keep saying I disagree which shouldv'e been done posts ago and needs no further space on the thread.
The fact that he says one thing and does another makes me believe that the guy is probably in it for the money/publicity, so it could be that the only lesson he taught his daughter is that there is a sucker born every minute.
I like the BS line he posted on his FB where he says that if he had to he would do it again but without the cigarette. That he had promised his wife he would quit as soon as he could get enough money for Chantix. I have a hard time believing that he can't get the $100 a month that it costs. Yep, seems legit.edit on 19-2-2012 by daskakik because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Destinyone
I've been reading this thread from the beginning. Your definition of society is not mine. Look at the headlines for christ's sake. Kids are not children anymore. Gangs running neighborhoods, even in affluent areas. Parents leaving it to society, as it morphs into an ever expanding grey area of political correctness, to raise their children.
I agree with everything....EVERYTHING...TheRedNeck has attempted to express in response to your limited viewpoint on child rearing.
Too many adults leave the TV, teachers and state to raise their kids for them.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Warning! The video in this post contains explicit language and violence!
I just saw this on CNN and looked it up. I admire and respect this man!
We see the many issues created by a lack of such action every day. We see adults demanding entitlements instead of doing for themselves.