Are people ignoring the facts about Homosexuality?

Originally posted by yourboycal2
reply to post by Starchild23

 

But you won't complain about two girls...

Don't impose your taste upon other people. If you had an hair cut and someone demanded you put a hat on because it offended them, you would look at it differently.

really a bad hair cut ? compared to what ? two men making out in public ? Please. Tell me how a hair cut offends someone , like two males making out in public?


secondly girls are sexual objects , the way society has raised and breed them these days. Men are work force , labour , brute strength .

when you have sex objects doing sexual acts , naturally nothing is wrong with it . They are only giving in to societys over sexualzation of them.

Men are not seen as sex obejcts the way women are. Thats why its is wrong.

Do you want your kids in a mall , with males making out ? Do you understand what images it puts in there heads , do you understand what emotions is stirrs up for them to go and try ? and be stuck with this fetish cycle which turns into a lifestyle

edit on 4-2-2012 by yourboycal2 because: (no reason given)

I know gay people, men and women, and I am nice to them all. But even though I agree about women being sex objects, I don't think gay men OR women should be making out in public. I don't think hetero's should be either. GET A ROOM.

There is a place and time for everything.

Hold hands and skip around happy and gay all you want!!!!

Jeez, is it just me or does ATS have a lot of lame liberal-progressive wankery going on round here lately? There isn't anything wrong with being gay, and no, there isn't a problem with having problems with gay people. I have a few gay friends, good people - some people knew it all along some didn't. If most of us can respect the fact that something clearly uncomfortable for others is OK, then they need to understand that some people simply aren't OK with it. Some can embrace, and some will never accept it. That's the way it's always going to be. Wah. Get over it. Stop trying to impose your opinion on everyone else whether you support it or not. Jeez.

EDIT: This post isn't for the OP because the OP is obviously a troll, but this troll thread did evolve into an actual conversation - crazy it got this far

Women are sex objects?

I had to shake my head and laugh a little at that.

Women are intelligent, dynamic consciousnesses, just as much as men are. I'm suddenly ashamed to consider myself a man if other men view women as just objects. Although I'm equally ashamed of women who continue to play the role of being nothing more than an object for men.

I have a few friends that are homosexual they seem no different from me other than their sexual preference. I cant say that I know that they aren't born that way or that it is in some way passed to them in genetics. All I know is that they seem to have their minds wired this certain way but that doesn't make them any different from you or me.

"Homosexuality is found in over 450 species. Homophobia is found in only one."

I have a serious question that I would like answered by those of you who think being gay is a choice.

Did YOU chose to be straight? When did you wake up and say "You know, I'm going to be attracted to women."?

I tried being homosexual, and it did not work. It went against the way I was born. I didn't wake up one morning and say "I'm attracted to men!" It just happened that way.
Honestly, if it were truly a choice (for most, anyways) I wouldn't be attracted to EITHER men or women, as both are f**ed up in some way.

at the name "Boys" and "RainbowBear"

I mean... seriously?

reply to post by Starchild23




is it "no one's business", when grown hairy arsed men attend these "pride" marches in leather clad s&M gear?

That is an effing disgrace

According to an approx. 20 year old Washington Post poll: 4 out of every 10 people have listed homosexuality as their 3rd or 4th rated sexual fantasy in there minds; with #1 being rated at the top.

The archdiocese of the Catholic Church, gives no option too some of the Catholic Priest's, but to turn towards homosexuality. This preference has been shoved under the rug for hundreds of years.

The problem started when the Catholic Church refused the right for Catholic priest's to marry, because if the priest's were allowed to marry; upon there deaths the wive's would be able to inherit the husbands estate rather than the Catholic Church.

Originally posted by blueorder
reply to post by Starchild23

 

is it "no one's business", when grown hairy arsed men attend these "pride" marches in leather clad s&M gear?

That is an effing disgrace

The answer's simple -- if you don't like to see that, stop going to Pride marches.

Originally posted by Erno86
According to an approx. 20 year old Washington Post poll: 4 out of every 10 people have listed homosexuality as their 3rd or 4th rated sexual fantasy in there minds; with #1 being rated at the top.
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wouldn't put much confidence in such a poll to be honest

Boys kissing boys. Seriously? We've got wars, the constant threat of nuclear annihilation, drought, starvation, more war, government corruption, the economic crisises spreading like a plague, a growing police state in every country this side of Europe and Central America, epidemics, crime and terrorism.....and some people still try to make the world a worse place by spouting this crap about gays, trying to figure out why someone becomes 'gay' as if it was a disease or a mental illness. Crap like that only serves to further divide an already divided humanity into even smaller fractions. And we don't need that kind of crap.

So let me ask you this; Who gives a #!? Seriously? They're human beings like you and me. That's all that matters, and you know what? Anything beyond that is none of your goddamn business, nor is it mine. Let people live the way they want to without you trying to figure out what makes them tick, as if they were some kind of damn labrats of yours. They're not, and I'm sick of hearing this crap.

Give it a damn rest already. Jeez. It's a damn non-issue, because it's none of anybody else's damn business whether someone prefers to date men or women. Get that through your thick ferrocrete skulls.

Some people are hard wired gay or lesbian. Just the way they were born.
Some people could go either way, and can live a heterosexual life if they choose to.
So, being gay can be both fixed, or a choice, depending on the person.

This explains it all so well.
www.youtube.com...

President Buchanan was gay. Lincoln was a bisexual. Nothing new here.

I'm not sure what homophobes fear most: the homosexuality of others, or the deep seeded homosexuality within themselves.


Here's a fact of homosexuality: Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?

reply to post by VelvetSplash

Excellent advice. Too bad the queers don't listen to it. Instead they pull crap like demanding to march at some parade.
Did I miss something? Aren't they claiming to be regular people with a different sexual preference?
How about then that those hetrosexuals who prefer sex doggie style demand the right to march in a parade carrying banners announcing their sexual preference? Should we be labeled old fashion if we object when taking our children to see the St Patty's Day parade if we are suddenly confronted with a group of marchers announcing they prefer oral sex? We are not justified in asking what the hell this has to do with St Patrick?
We just want the world to acknowledge the existence of gay Irish says the one group.
We just want the world to acknowledge the existence of Irish people who prefer oral sex says the other.
How about 'We just want the world to acknowledge the existence of Irish people who like to be urinated on say those into 'golden showers'
And yet something is wrong with me to ask what any of these groups have to do with that particular holiday? Something is wrong with me when I say I brought my children here to see a parade celebrating the Irish people and I think your sexual preference, if it is truly on a par with hetrosexuality, should, like hetrosexuality, be left in the privacy of your bedroom.
How about people who are into bestiality'? Is that not their own sexual preference? Should they be allowed to carry banners in the Columbus Day parade broadcasting their preference? Should the teachers in our school be obligated to teach young children that this is perfectly natural?
There must be a point where even the homosexuals would turn away in disgust. Where? Bestiality? Feces eaters? But how can they draw the line anywhere without labeling that group as perverts the same way others label them? Does this mean that to be totally fair we should acknowledge there is no such thing as perversion? Should we pay taxes to provide teachers who will indoctrinate our children into the belief system that 'anything goes' and 'nothing is wrong'.
And when I call this disgusting I'm told that something is wrong with me?
Guess I'll have to live with it. I am a perversionphobe

Originally posted by Puck 22

I think your sexual preference, if it is truly on a par with hetrosexuality, should, like hetrosexuality, be left in the privacy of your bedroom.

Ya know, it would be left in the bedroom if straight homophobes would keep their noses out of our business but no, because you just can't stop yourselves from continuing to hate and mouth off about it. If you want us to shut up, you do it first. Leave us alone and we'll leave you alone. Do you understand that concept?

As for the bull# you posted about bestiality etc - there is a huge difference between people forcing animals to have sex and two CONSENTING adults of whatever gender having sex with each other. These continual attempts to equate the two only hurt your argument. It's high time the likes of you found something else to get your knickers in a fankle about.

reply to post by Puck 22


I'm curious as to where sex comes in to it with 2 men or 2 women.

I mean, if that's ALL you think about (it's all you wrote about) then I guess you have an argument.

But you don't. Because pride parades are about acceptance of ALL sexualities being the same as one another, that's why heterosexuals go and are allowed to go to pride parades. They're not chased out or told they can't go. Everyone is welcome to attend and enjoy each other's presence. Just like everyone is welcome in other parades in the Americas like Independence Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas Day, (Mardi Gras?). I'm not 100% with festivals in America, but I assume the major ones which take place in major cities and towns don't have signs saying who is and isn't allowed to attend.

But like I wrote above, if all you think about is same-sex couples having sex then YOU'RE the one with a problem. It sounds like you need to sit down with a therapist and find out where your love of 2 men or 2 women having sex comes from.

Oh, and in regards to bestiality, until you can get a court to understand when an animal says "yes I consent to having sexual intercourse" then it's going to be classed as rape and rape is illegal.

reply to post by Puck 22


You know what else? I pay taxes too. I go out and work 40 or more hours a week then pay the same taxes as everyone else so while I'm doing that, I demand the same rights as everyone else. I don't hurt anyone by having a loving relationship with my boyfriend and you are not going to tell me otherwise.

Because their is no consensus on the matter hardly equates to it being fact that they are not born with it. Fact is, we just don't know. If they are not born with it then at what point do they 'decide' they are attracted so the same sex? When do straight folks 'decide' they are attracted to the opposite sex? There is no deciding date, it just is. And if we are talking about the damage it causes, lets not forget all of the damage done by heterosexual people to their families, partners and children. Please, causing damage is not exclusive of homosexuals. Look at divorce rates, look at abused women and children. Look at all the criminals who come from heterosexuals, kids who smoke, drink and do drugs and all from heterosexuals.

As for health issues, I suspect that has more to do with monogamy or lack there of. In which case this is not exclusive to homosexuals. How many heterosexuals have health problems and issues in comparison? I just get so annoyed that people will sit and talk about how bad and wrong homosexuality is, but in comparison to what? Usually nothing because no fair comparisons are made, but it is implied that heterosexuality is better. When really heterosexuality has more than it's share of problems, issues and does it's own amount of damage. There for how is one possibly worse than another?

Who the hell cares what someone else chooses to do in the privacy of their own rooms. These groups wouldn't even have to exist if it were not for homosexuals putting their noses where it doesn't belong. This coming from a heterosexual.

reply to post by Puck 22


Insulting to all to say the least.. these such arguments are always the same..First they present homosexuality in some unfavorable light.. provide some evidence to stereotype millions of people by what a few thousand do on a select day. parades also I might add are enjoyed and promoted by straight people but thats not the issue.. then when all fails.. compare it to the deepest darkest most vile thing they can find.. saying if x such thing happens then why not x and x.. its the arguments against EVERY SINGLE thing to be branded an 'ism' in this world..

it isnt unique to homosexuality but its the one most commonly used by people.. with an agenda.. to express their hatred and wish to spread it to others, you speak of being a 'phobe' of such things trying to get others to think like those you present as undesirable qualities but your arguments have little basis in fact other than to convey that you hate.. and its simply a sad, regretable.. if a little nieve even viewpoint

hatred is distasteful in all its forms..irrespective of weather its spoken by the uninformed, the uneducated.. or the unkind

when people go around jugding a group of people by the actions of a few.. it creates wars... arnt we a little smarter than that in these modern times?.... or perhaps shouldnt we be atleast?

this argument, is a little shameful at best.. and at worse an uneducated rant that belongs in the rant section of this forum.. not as a general conspiracy