They Called Kennedy Crazy; Why Newt's Lunar Colony is a GREAT idea.

spend as you go, my friend spend as you go!!!!

is newt willing to give up those bush tax cuts for the richest among us for a moon colony????

is he willing to slice and dice the defense spending to come up with it??

or is it more like cutting social security out of the budget all together, ending food stamps, throwing poor kids into orphanages, borrowing out the wazoo, and turning the printing presses into overdrive??? along with, of course, starting a few more wars...

outside of that, well, I think it's a great idea....
too bad we wasted so much money on a bunch of crap the past couple of decades and now it's out of our reach financially!!!!

of course, it might be worth going into debt for....if all the politicians on earth would agree to be the colonists!!!!

Originally posted by MrWendal
And exactly what resources and exactly what minerals are up on the moon?

Wow, may I ask how old you are that you know nothing about space? Google is your friend my friend. Look it up because I can make an entire 5000 character thread about the minerals on the moon and how they will help us in the future

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
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How can you even think to put Kennedy's name in the same thread with Newt.

Kennedy was the last real President that governed for the people.

Newt is .... well he's just a Scumbag.

Simple why do you idolize a democratic corrupt bootlegger who slept around with movies stars and made millions of dollars illegally? They are all from the same bucket my friend. Hence why i compared Newt with Kennedy in the first place. If he can as President rally people around this one idea, like Kennedy did. The stuff in my OP will happen!

Now as for reality, it may have been a campaign speech, but there is a glimmer of hope. And I don't know about you, but it's refreshing to see some politician talk about space like that. Obama could have easily went into space and became the next Kennedy, but that wasn't on his list of stuff to do. I don't know about you, but I'm sick of this doom and gloom stuff. We need SOMETHING to maybe look forward to

I am surprised out of 3 pages no one mentioned about the what ifs? Like what if that lunar colony is in the impact zone of an asteroid or a comet? Then what? We waste all that time and money into building it and gets destroyed immediately. The way I see the moon has its reasons to take the hits so that planet Earth will not be affected. You simply just can't build something where impacts by extraterrestrial objects are common. Newt failed to realize that, and didn't apply common sense.

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You think NASA isn't smart enough to know this! How were we able to land on the moon then? Or build the space center? Or are you one of those people who believe we didnt do this.

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It doesn't matter what I believe in, what I believe in begins here on Earth not on the moon.

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
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It doesn't matter what I believe in, what I believe in begins here on Earth not on the moon.

You were the one that asked the whatifs as if it is impossible to build a moon base or to ever colonized space. The pluses far outwiegh the minuses and the supposed negatives of the idea. Besides this entire thread is a what if since it is unclear if Newt can actually get people to do this.

I am shocked that the media is giving Newt a hard time and not even considering his ideas.

I hope you are shocked that Newt failed to use common sense before suggesting something so far fetched, without properly researching and determining the pros and cons of actually building a lunar colony.

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS

I am shocked that the media is giving Newt a hard time and not even considering his ideas.

I hope you are shocked that Newt failed to use common sense before suggesting something so far fetched, without properly researching and determining the pros and cons of actually building a lunar colony.

I am not shocked. where is their any indications of this. He talked about it as an idea to appeal to the space center people in Florida, which florida is obsessed with space! I am talking about the idea itself and why it is a great idea.

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Well its not a GREAT or a good idea period. So we can just leave it at that. As you know I am opposed to this so called idea for reasons I stated above. If that isn't enough I have a few more up my sleeves.

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
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Well its not a GREAT or a good idea period. So we can just leave it at that. As you know I am opposed to this so called idea for reasons I stated above. If that isn't enough I have a few more up my sleeves.

edit on 30-1-2012 by KonquestAbySS because: (no reason given)

Your reasons for not liking the idea is stupid, because NASA would come up with plans to deal with all of that stuff, and the ISS has been up there in space for years, but hasn't been hit by an asteroid yet!

Furthermore, I bet if RP came up with the idea you'd be all for it!

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by MrWendal
And exactly what resources and exactly what minerals are up on the moon?

Wow, may I ask how old you are that you know nothing about space? Google is your friend my friend. Look it up because I can make an entire 5000 character thread about the minerals on the moon and how they will help us in the future

I am 40 and I know very little about space. It's not a big interest for me.

Now this is your thread. You are the one selling the idea of why Newt's idea is wonderful. You made the claim that there is money to be made from minerals on the moon. So, what are the minerals? This is your thread, your idea, so either you know or you don't know and you are talking nonsense. I am simply asking for you to explain your idea.

If that is something you are unwilling to do, just say so, but it sure does take away from your thread

From this thread it is clear to me that some people just don't believe in our country anymore (America) and that is a sad thing indeed. Truth is we probably shouldn't have taken a break from the space program at all. But after Kennedy left a lot changed. We could have a moonbase right now, if we had set our priorities straight! I remember reading books back in middle school (in college now) that said we should have a Moon Base by 2010-2015!

Why not let the man dream? Why not let people dream? This is usually what liberals are great at, but now that a republican mentions it, oh it's impossible!!! Well, let me tell you something So is world peace!

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Well you can start here. Now was that too hard for you to find on your own? en.wikipedia.org...-based_materials_processing

because NASA would come up with plans to deal with all of that stuff

I thought NASA wasn’t going to be involved since they said they rather prefer private sector instead of Government ran administrations? So basically NASA is cancelled out.

Furthermore, I bet if RP came up with the idea you'd be all for it!

What a lackluster comeback. Though.

How much are you willing to bet? From your standpoint it seems like you need common sense and a better understanding, so I am willing to bet some of my common sense on this issue. I would still be opposed to the idea even if Ron Paul said it himself. Failed logic won’t win you arguments, just because I support Ron Paul doesn’t mean I would support outlandish ideas.

$250-$500 billion, that's the amount of money we are talking about....
money.cnn.com...

so, where's the money coming from??

bush tax cuts??? na.....
end of wars??? na.....
borrow and print???? YA!!!!!

no thanks.....only good I could see of making use for it would be to get rid of the world's undesireables, like the bankers and politicians....

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
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Well you can start here. Now was that too hard for you to find on your own? en.wikipedia.org...-based_materials_processing

It is your thread, your argument. The burden of proof lies with YOU.

Is that too hard to understand?

Now about your link, outside of water ice and moon dust, what minerals are you talking about? Again this is YOUR argument and you have yet to come right out and say what these minerals are that are worth spending the money to go to the moon and build a permanent base.

I really am getting the impression that you do not know, you are simply repeating things you have been told.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
From this thread it is clear to me that some people just don't believe in our country anymore (America) and that is a sad thing indeed. Truth is we probably shouldn't have taken a break from the space program at all. But after Kennedy left a lot changed. We could have a moonbase right now, if we had set our priorities straight! I remember reading books back in middle school (in college now) that said we should have a Moon Base by 2010-2015!

Why not let the man dream? Why not let people dream? This is usually what liberals are great at, but now that a republican mentions it, oh it's impossible!!! Well, let me tell you something So is world peace!

So not having a moon base means our priorities are out of whack??

We as human beings do not even know how to care for one another yet. There are millions of people starving in the world. The US was one of the richest countries on the planet, yet you can go to any major city and find homeless people. Yet having a base on the moon is a priority?

There is nothing wrong with people dreaming. It only becomes an issue when that dream has a cost and has money spent on that dream to bring it to fruition.

I got a better idea... how about we fix what is going on right here on planet earth before we travel to the moon and screw up a perfectly good moon.

edit to add: Nice way to make this a left vs right issue. It has nothing to do with a "republican" saying it. I would say the same exact thing if the idea came from a democrat, libertarian, tea party or green party member.

Originally posted by MrWendal

So not having a moon base means our priorities are out of whack??


I got a better idea... how about we fix what is going on right here on planet earth before we travel to the moon and screw up a perfectly good moon.

edit on 31-1-2012 by MrWendal because: (no reason given)

Its clear to me that you are just reiterating something that someone had told you! Do you honestly not see the economic impacts a moon base could produce???? NO? OK I sent you that wiki link but you obviously didn't understand where to look for Economic Development or Mining in there. So here's a quote for you. There's also a function called CTRL +F on your computer that you can use

For long term sustainability, a space colony should be close to self-sufficient. On site mining and refining of the Moon's materials could provide an advantage over deliveries from Earth – for use both on the Moon and elsewhere in the solar system – as they can be launched into space at a much lower energy cost than from Earth. It is possible that vast sums of money will be spent in interplanetary exploration in the 21st century, and the cost of providing goods from the Moon might be attractive.[67]

Exporting material to Earth in trade from the Moon is more problematic due to the cost of transportation, which will vary greatly if the Moon is industrially developed (see above). One suggested trade commodity, Helium-3 (He-3) from the solar wind, is thought to have accumulated on the Moon's surface over billions of years, but occurs only rarely on Earth. Helium might be present in the Lunar regolith in quantities of 0.01 ppm to 0.05 ppm (depending on soil). In 2006 He-3 had a market price of about $46,500 per troy ounce ($1500/gram, $1.5M/kg), more than 120 times the value per unit weight of gold and over eight times the value of rhodium. In the long-term future He-3 may have a role as a fuel in thermonuclear fusion reactors.[84] [edit]

This is about as ideological as one can get and I'm not sure why RP supporters wouldn't get behind this economic booster. The problem with your take care of America first idea, is simply put, we can do that and still go into space. Actually that would enhance America's world image again!

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can you imagine just what the economic impact would be if we all had access to free college level education or free training at a trade school of our choice!!!

right now, the US don't have enough trained machinists and tool and die makers, and other skilled labor that would be needed...
oh, ya, we can import them from other countries, that's right....