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Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by IAMIAM
60 years is a long time to believe something and then suddenly no longer believe it. I imagine such a change, if the belief was deep and sincere, would be a bit traumatic.
You're wrong.
Originally posted by RadioKnecht
As Brother IAMIAM said, Atheism is also a belief.
And the religion (that human constructed abstract) supporting that belief is science.
As with any other creed, blindly and acritically embracing religion (i.e. science) leads to fundamentalism.
And Annee, you should really try to be more tolerant. Isn't that what being an atheist is all about?
Originally posted by Furbs
Hold the phone there, junior…
This is a thread about a billboard put up by an Atheist and the condemnation such a billboard is getting.
What does that have to do with Atheists needing to be more tolerant? More tolerant of what? Being told to not display billboards? Annee can be however she wants. If you don't like HER message, don't read what she has to say.
First Amendment. Look it up.
Also, your assertion that Atheism is a 'belief' is ludicrous. It is an absence of belief in a deity. Atheism does not make someone a 'believer' in Science. It is possible to be both an Atheist AND someone that knows NOTHING about science.edit on 30-1-2012 by Furbs because: (no reason given)
Atheists do not have irrefutable proof either that God does NOT exist, and still, they do not believe in him. Do you get it? This belief that God does not exist, without any proof to back it up, also takes faith.
Originally posted by RadioKnecht
Originally posted by Furbs
Hold the phone there, junior…
This is a thread about a billboard put up by an Atheist and the condemnation such a billboard is getting.
What does that have to do with Atheists needing to be more tolerant? More tolerant of what? Being told to not display billboards? Annee can be however she wants. If you don't like HER message, don't read what she has to say.
First Amendment. Look it up.
Also, your assertion that Atheism is a 'belief' is ludicrous. It is an absence of belief in a deity. Atheism does not make someone a 'believer' in Science. It is possible to be both an Atheist AND someone that knows NOTHING about science.edit on 30-1-2012 by Furbs because: (no reason given)
Of course Annee can be however she wants.
However, wouldn't it be nicer if we learnt to be MORE TOLERANT of people believing in something that others do not believe in, hopefully without having snappy bitter answers rather than well thought out replies?
Atheism IS a belief system. Not believing in God, whether you like it or not, is a belief in itself and paradoxically, being an atheist also takes a big leap of faith.
I do not have irrefutable proof that God exists and yet I believe in him. This is called faith.
Atheists do not have irrefutable proof either that God does NOT exist, and still, they do not believe in him. Do you get it? This belief that God does not exist, without any proof to back it up, also takes faith.
And that is how BELIEVING that something/someone does not exist, also takes faith.
Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by wlord
Just remember: More wars have been fought, and more blood has been shed from religion, than atheism. That tells me religion will most certainly be the downfall for human kind. I dont mind if or what people believe in, but to quote the late, great John Lennon, "if your talkin bout destruction, dont you know that you can count me out?"
Originally posted by schuyler
Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by wlord
Just remember: More wars have been fought, and more blood has been shed from religion, than atheism. That tells me religion will most certainly be the downfall for human kind. I dont mind if or what people believe in, but to quote the late, great John Lennon, "if your talkin bout destruction, dont you know that you can count me out?"
Oh, you mean God-fearing men like Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot? Got it! I do agree religion has caused a great deal of deaths. My only point is that religion doesn't have an exclusive.
BTW, your quote by John Lennon is out of context. Lennon wasn't talking about warfare. he was talking about the "Occupy Movement" of its day. The issue at the time was that the Beatles, being as popular and as rich as they were, were constantly solicited to "join the revolution" and contribute against, well, you know, the usual PTB, both by their fans (Flower Power and all) and NGOs like SDS, etc. At the time the protests against the Vietnam War were escalating; there were riots in the streets, and some groups, such as the Weathemen (like Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers), were advocating armed conflict against the state, planting bombs in police stations, blowing themselves up, etc. Lennon wrote the song to "tell the world" to "count me out" because he didn't want anything to do with revolutionary schemes. He was telling the Occupy movement to bugger off.
Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?
Originally posted by RadioKnecht
As Brother IAMIAM said, Atheism is also a belief.
Originally posted by Mcupobob
reply to post by Annee
If its any consolation I think the Christian billboards are stupid crap too do you ever read past my first sentence?
Originally posted by bronxbull
They want us to lose religion, so I say dont let them take it away. In the end they seek our ruin. screw them. resist all they do. NWO must be stopped by all means necessary.
they say no religion, you really want to follow their plan?
He was telling the Occupy movement to bugger off.
Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?
Originally posted by Furbs
Originally posted by schuyler
Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by wlord
Just remember: More wars have been fought, and more blood has been shed from religion, than atheism. That tells me religion will most certainly be the downfall for human kind. I dont mind if or what people believe in, but to quote the late, great John Lennon, "if your talkin bout destruction, dont you know that you can count me out?"
Oh, you mean God-fearing men like Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot? Got it! I do agree religion has caused a great deal of deaths. My only point is that religion doesn't have an exclusive.
BTW, your quote by John Lennon is out of context. Lennon wasn't talking about warfare. he was talking about the "Occupy Movement" of its day. The issue at the time was that the Beatles, being as popular and as rich as they were, were constantly solicited to "join the revolution" and contribute against, well, you know, the usual PTB, both by their fans (Flower Power and all) and NGOs like SDS, etc. At the time the protests against the Vietnam War were escalating; there were riots in the streets, and some groups, such as the Weathemen (like Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers), were advocating armed conflict against the state, planting bombs in police stations, blowing themselves up, etc. Lennon wrote the song to "tell the world" to "count me out" because he didn't want anything to do with revolutionary schemes. He was telling the Occupy movement to bugger off.
Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?
Say what you want about Religion and War, but don't besmirch John Lennon.
He was not against revolution, he was against violent revolution.
Read a book.
Originally posted by schuyler
Originally posted by Furbs
Originally posted by schuyler
Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by wlord
Just remember: More wars have been fought, and more blood has been shed from religion, than atheism. That tells me religion will most certainly be the downfall for human kind. I dont mind if or what people believe in, but to quote the late, great John Lennon, "if your talkin bout destruction, dont you know that you can count me out?"
Oh, you mean God-fearing men like Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot? Got it! I do agree religion has caused a great deal of deaths. My only point is that religion doesn't have an exclusive.
BTW, your quote by John Lennon is out of context. Lennon wasn't talking about warfare. he was talking about the "Occupy Movement" of its day. The issue at the time was that the Beatles, being as popular and as rich as they were, were constantly solicited to "join the revolution" and contribute against, well, you know, the usual PTB, both by their fans (Flower Power and all) and NGOs like SDS, etc. At the time the protests against the Vietnam War were escalating; there were riots in the streets, and some groups, such as the Weathemen (like Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers), were advocating armed conflict against the state, planting bombs in police stations, blowing themselves up, etc. Lennon wrote the song to "tell the world" to "count me out" because he didn't want anything to do with revolutionary schemes. He was telling the Occupy movement to bugger off.
Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it?
Say what you want about Religion and War, but don't besmirch John Lennon.
He was not against revolution, he was against violent revolution.
Read a book.
My point still stands and, for the record, I've read more books than you ever will in your lifetime. His song was about PRECISELY what I said it was. Every wannabe revolutionary in the world hit up the Beatles to join their cause. "We all want change the world." Here are some of the lyrics that perhaps you conveniently forgot about:
"We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out"
--There's your anti-violence issue.
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
For people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
--Interesting phrase. First of all, people want a revolution, but really have no idea what to replace the current structure with. None at all. That's what he was saying, "Show me!" Secondly, here's the part about folks hitting him up for money--just like I said. At this point (and in this version) Lennon is NOT wanting to tear down institutions.
You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
--Now that's interesting. He's saying, No, we don't want to change the constitution, we need to change YOUR mind from the craziness its espousing.
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
--And here we go back to the idea that Mao (or Che or whomever) actually has a solution worth paying attention to. According to Lennon, he doesn't.
You can read more here about Lennon;s struggles with what he even felt as well as the Left's angry reaction to the song.
Were you even alive when the song came out? Didn't think so.edit on 1/31/2012 by schuyler because: (no reason given)
I'm with you. I just hate billboards in general. They are ugly blights on the landscape most times and some advertise things I'd rather not have to explain to a kid who is old enough to read them but too young for the content to be relevant or appropriate. TV, I can turn off or not have around at all, and I can monitor Internet and books and magazines. But I can't control all the crap blaring at me on a billboard or from the side of a bus. I can tune it out to a degree but it's all busy and ugly and adds to the "white noise" of modern life. I'm sick of having my senses bombarded by advertising 24x7, I don't care who it is or what the message is, I'm anti billboard, not anti atheist.
Originally posted by hadriana
I could care less what sort of God is great, God is good, God is absent, From the Hood
billboards they want to put up. I don't care.
I'm much more concerned about "Adult Entertainment billboards" mainly because when my son was 6 or so, he asked me what it meant and THEN, when I explained it, what made it ADULT.