social: Prostitution

Originally posted by Bleys

Originally posted by TrueLies
Huh? What are you talking about??

He's talking about the fact that both of us attempted to engage you in a debate regarding our concerns over legalizing prostitution without sufficient regulation. But rather than engage in debate you accuse me of belittling your arguments and make homophobic comments to Fred. (you ought to go back and read some of your posts)

What? I wasn't talking to you in that post, I was talking to fred... I accused him of belitting my arugment... The very first line was to you... in the bold when I said keep debating even if me and amuk beat you to it...



[edit on 13-9-2004 by TrueLies]

: Originally posted by FredT
Im sorry, if you were sincere about your responce to my post, its simply, Being gay or a barfly is not a profession, its a lifestyle choice. If you cannot differentiate between the two, what else can I say?

Hmmm, you have a point my friend.

Ok, back to the debate..

Next question:

How do you justify the government stealing "hard earned money" through that cozy little sugar coated word we call "sales tax" whether it be through prostitution, purchasing a car, or chainsaw??

I can't personally vote for someone who is condoning such a crime. Personal income should be just that. Personal income.
Prostitutes' income should be left alone, just like anything else...

On a moral / ethical level I can understand your concern for public safety ect, but you cannot legislate morality. This medical exam stuff should be left up to the prostitute's discretion, not the government to enforce such a thing..

If this were to happen, i don't see prostitutes coming forward to tell the government their occupation, it's so underground as it is and they are making much money off their chosen profession, without government regulation, what makes you think if government condones this profession but adds red tape to it, prostitutes will come forward??

Medical exams are a good idea, I agree, but if you believe in individual rights and freedoms a is a... Politically this is not a good idea, you will not get prostitutes to come forward, you will not get the income tax you wish for, and you will not get your medical exam done..

She/He is already a misfit to society, what makes you think she/he's going to adhere to federal regulation?

If I was a prositute and your party was in office and they decided to do what you just proposed..

I'd keep my business running underground, at least this way I wouldn't have the burden of government on my back and I wouldn't get my personal income stolen from me.

If you legalize prostitution and then tax and regulate to the point were it's costing the prostitute a lot of money, many of them are just going to revert to doing it illegally any way. Take a look at black market cigarettes and moonshine for examples of that. Prostitution, being a service rather then a good, would be that much easier to become a "black market" institution. Take a look at it already. If you're going to regulate the hell out of it, you may as well just decriminalize it.

I imagine, just by pure common sense, the industry would regulate itself to a large degree. Making sure your girls were clean on a routine basis is just a good business practice. Where would you rather take your business, to a seedy brothel with questionable girls or one with weekly check-ups? Eventually the professionally run "Bunny Ranch" styled brothels would knock the questionable ones out of business.

Sleeping with underage girls would still be a crime. Maybe the John's would have to see the girls ID before entering into the transaction, like buying alcohol or cigarettes but in reverse. If an underage girl is going to be a prostitute, there's very little that can control that. She'll just employ the old street-walker method. I highly doubt, considering the astronomical fines and lengthy prison sentences if caught pimping out very young girls, that this would become much of a problem.

Originally posted by PistolPete
If you legalize prostitution and then tax and regulate to the point were it's costing the prostitute a lot of money, many of them are just going to revert to doing it illegally any way. Take a look at black market cigarettes and moonshine for examples of that. .

That is a valid point. However, I have seen the HBO special on the Moonlight Bunny Ranch. They basically did a documentary on the establishment, interviewed the girls and customers. Some of the girls had been on the street and claim they would never go back. Seeing thier working conditions and how much they make you had better believe it. Simply paying sales tax would not be a huge burden. I agree there will still be street prostitutes and the like, but maybe less, and maybe alot of thier business would go away, drawn to the legal brotherls where you pay more, but its safe and secure, less disease risk, and you wont go to jail.

How about we just leave the regulation up to the state, provided the regulation does not get excessive and the constitutional rights of the women are not infringed. The main problem I see is the states outlawing it outright. I have a feeling if this was put to a stop, the rest would follow, and womens basic rights upheld, then everything else would fall into place, probably quite quickly. Once it is legal, people can then argue their point of veiw on the amount of regulation.

Originally posted by cavscout
How about we just leave the regulation up to the state, provided the regulation does not get excessive and the constitutional rights of the women are not infringed. The main problem I see is the states outlawing it outright. Once it is legal, people can then argue their point of veiw on the amount of regulation.

I could go for that. Like the death penalty. If the majority of the states voters wanted it they could vote it in. The regulation should extend to health aspects and occupational hazards etc like any other worker in any other business. The revenue the state would get would be limited to sales tax and licence fees.

well heard alot in this post....here is my two cents

yes and no....as a christian i say no, its a religious thing im not getting into as a person not relying on religion to make a choice i say yes but with some catches


Sales tax, must be enforced. if you dont think you have to pay tax well news flash, you pay tax because you live in a country where MEN AND WOMEN GET PAYED BY TAXES TO PROTECT YOUR VIRGIN ARSE, if you dont think tax is good then you know where the door/border of this god blessed country is. "the more i see of other countries the more i love my own"

Watchfull eye. Of course if a doctor has to wear a glove to operate on you then why not a make sure a girl/guy get checked to stop spreading of disease? would you let a doctor operate on you if he just took a piss wiped his nose then came in with no gloves? your a moron if you dont think it should be watched on for the safety of the community.....just like people with aids/hiv cant play in sports or its looked badly upon, hmmm maybe its a harm to others duh.

A proper place. you cannot put one next to religious or childish activities ie school and parks. why because unfortunately this country was found on a christian background and from that we have certain basic morals, and most of them if not 80% of adults do not see it to their liking to have a porn shop next to their church house or park. just like bars have zones so should the gloryhole.

Liability. one must be prepared to suffer liability in case of a 'accident on the job' scenario arises. if one gets a deathly disease one must be ready to take the consenquences for their actions. just like a employer must take insurance out on employees hired.

[edit on 4-10-2004 by elitewolverine]

Well in that case, Prostitution will remain how it is, deregulated and tax free.
These people are already social misfits, it's no problem for them to keep operating the way they are. See what happens when government ideas come to the table, it's an automatic tax and red tape ideology...

Originally posted by MacKiller
Legalize it. Don't legalize it. Do nothing. In many communities throughout the U.S., the police focus attention on arresting persons involved in prostitution. Many feel like it is the woman's choice to sell her body. If her John knows what risks he is getting himself into and is fully aware about the risk of STD's etc. then I do not see what the problem is with having it legal. The government would have it regulated, there would be check up's to make sure they the ladies don't have STD's and of course, the government would tax it, in order to pay for the check up's etc.

It should be like the hotdog vendors. You get a license from the city.
God knows you can get more diseases from some of those hotdog carts.
[edit on 4-10-2004 by evecasino]

Sorry I had to edit it, I think I offended a Mod. Free Speech? Go figure.

[edit on 4-10-2004 by evecasino]

Originally posted by TrueLies
Well in that case, Prostitution will remain how it is, deregulated and tax free.
These people are already social misfits, it's no problem for them to keep operating the way they are. See what happens when government ideas come to the table, it's an automatic tax and red tape ideology...

without the gov there is no garuntee that the girls/guys would be clean it would see so much red tape from non goverment institutions it wouldnt even be funny.

and tax is like all buisnesses without it where would we get money to pay for out troops to protect us and everything? or should we never pay tax have our government broke and our dollar mean piss in trade??? oh wait thats called a third world country my bad...

[edit on 6-10-2004 by elitewolverine]

By giving prostitution an ilegal status it is therefore banned from legal society.
This is a Law derived from Christian convictions:
- Sex between a man and a woman who are not maried to each other is a sin.
- Adultary is a sin.
- Homosexuality is a sin.

It is my opinion that two or more adults, with no regards to gender or marital status, in consent can do what they like with one another if they inflict no grave harm upon themselves or others.

If one or more of these adults would seek financial gain in such human interactions by contract of delivered services then it is better this contract has legal status for all parties concerned.

In The Netherlands (Amsterdam) we did so, as I believe, because we respect people more then Christian sin.

The idea of prostitution being illegal is insane really. I mean, come on, folks. I am not going to lose sleep overnight if my neighbor's idea of a good time is paying a woman dressed in leather 100 dollars an hour to put him in diapers, strap him to a stretch rack, and abuse him.

If you look at it, marriage is prostitution. How many guys have had to pay money to buy things for their angry wives to get a little nookie? Or just buy her things in general to keep her putting out?

So long as a woman consents to selling her goodies, i dont see how this is some great social problem. regulate it, have regular check-ups like they do in Germany, case closed!

Its not like making prostitution illegal has made it go away. It will never go away. As long as men have money, and women want to make money the easy way, it shall be around, and really, I could care less.

Its not bothering me, and its not bothering anyone else. Its a private matter, one the gov should stay the hell out of.

I don't know one single thing that's went to the government that hasn't gotten red taped so that they gain control over it and regulate it so that it benefits them too...

Sure, government's your friend, keep telling yourselves that...
Only your friend if your abiding by their laws, and giving them part of your check every couple of weeks and taking your money from other areas in your life...

This government reminds me much of a monarchy... Still, the big guys are on top, and regular folks are little aunts that can be easily squashed if they aren't adhering...

We the people??? Since what year?

Hmm the whole argument about prosititution.....Like someone said before me why should we care if the person next door does enjoy pleasure from a woman/guy he has to pay for to excit them.....

Ok I think if people are gonna do it though I think ther should be some kinda rules in place, for example something like the use of contruseption(sp) etc..... This way it means everyone is safeish....Additionally I dont think these prostitutes should be pimped like some are, because these pimps just take pleasure from someone else in a sense....

Sorry if it doesnt make sense

What really chaps my ass is the these police stings...I totally understand the point of them - they're trying to spread information about AIDS and other STDs...and don't get me wrong, that's great...

But intentionally setting people up for a trip to county and the potential for loosing their jobs and their families all so they can learn about the birds and the bees is a bit too harsh - especially for the fact that it's all staged...

I don't feel sorry for them, but I do pity them...

EDIT: Doh!...I know this doesn't belong in the campaign forum...I'll create a new thread with this topic and other people who wish to comment on what I've said can take it there once I post the link...

Here we go: Are Police Stings A Corrupt Form of Power?

[edit on 10/22/2004 by EnronOutrunHomerun]

This sums it up for the average intellect who believes everything they are told:

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