Begin Sex Ed in Kindergarten, Says New ‘National Standards’ Report

reply to post by wildtimes


I am saying to leave the sex ed until an age where they will not only REALLY listen, but also UNDERSTAND. Otherwise, curiosity leads them to very awkward situations...imagine if their reproductive systems kicked in early. Wouldn't that be something you would HATE to handle?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The current crop of social engineers keep sexualizing children younger and younger

sexual education is not even close to "sexualizing" someone. its attitude like this that kids are unprepared and confused. even by 5th grade its already to late. kids are having sex irresponsibly.

The faithful teaching abstinence isnt working at all, as has been given the chance and proven ineffective for the good part of the american century.

The state now needs to get some world population control and the disease epidemic under control where parents refused to.

At one point i was fine with every family teaching their kids in their own way. but when one side hurts the other with their failures, its time for the real educators to take control.

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by nineix

Originally posted by badkittie748
i am a parent of two boys and i as a mom would never ever want my children to learn about sexuality in any context for my children before the age of Puberty. No thank you!!!

So, you'll be quite fine if one day you discover they've been experimenting on furniture cushions all over the house, each other, or even house pets, or other disturbing things that they could get up to out of total blind uninformed and completely innocent ignorance?

( . . . - - - . . . )

ETA: never mind.

edit on Jan-18-2012 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)

LOL! You completely forgot the key point in that post: PUBERTY.

Children are not going to experiment in earnest until their hormones urge them to. I don't see my friend's 8 year old running around humping pillow cushions out of blatant sexual curiosity...

boys are physically 'functional' or responsive per se at a very young age.
Just a few months ago, one of my older Nieces who has children caught her 8yr old son with her 6yr old daughter, in full fledged, full physical arousal 69, acting out something one of the son's friends discovered while surfing the web on internet phone.

Kids will discover things on their own, and also be influenced by their peers. Kids have internet phones at really young ages these days too. Yours might not, but, I bet you good money at least one of your children's friends DOES.

Monkey see. Monkey do. regardless of whether they understand it ... but, wait ... ooo that FEELS GOOD.
ahem. by then it's way too late.
NO, just becomes, or interprets as 'don't get caught'.

'don't get caught' gets learned very early, and they'll know all about 'don't get caught' when you try to open up dialog about something they've discovered on their own, or through peers, and fall back on that.

Education well before accidents and experiments can put a stop to all sorts of shenannigans before they ever happen.

Knowledge is power, and ignorance doesn't have to be death, but, sometimes you might wish it was.

Originally posted by Bisman

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The current crop of social engineers keep sexualizing children younger and younger

sexual education is not even close to "sexualizing" someone. its attitude like this that kids are unprepared and confused. even by 5th grade its already to late. kids are having sex irresponsibly.

The faithful teaching abstinence isnt working at all, as has been given the chance and proven ineffective for the good part of the american century.

The state now needs to get some world population control and the disease epidemic under control where parents refused to.

At one point i was fine with every family teaching their kids in their own way. but when one side hurts the other with their failures, its time for the real educators to take control.

For my money, I prefer MY own values. Thanks for yours, but No Thanks.

The examples you give are not a majority pandemic.

Nor are they all religious based.

I don't trust the pseudo-intellectuals.

"The State" is infested with these nut cases that press pseudo-values on the normal citizens.

Many pedophiles and psychopaths are present in the system.


The Majority of Citizens Do NOT Have this Problem

Originally posted by nineix

Originally posted by dogstar23
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I wouldn't consider it part of a "liberal agenda" so much as part of a eugenics / population control agenda. While, to the ignorant masses, the "libs" are the pro-abortion, pro-gay choice, and the "cons" are the anti-abortion, anti-gay choice, in reality, prominent members of both parties have been strong proponents of population control and eugenics for generations.

What was the last planet census? 7, or was it 8 Billion?

There's a reason stuff, all stuff, no matter what the stuff is keeps getting more expensive. Competition for resources.

Less people to feed = cheaper everything.

eugenics is one thing, but, fostering an awareness and social responsibility against increasing overpopulation is another. If everyone on the planet vowed and stuck to only having 1 kid per couple, max 1 kid, then in about 200 years we might be back down to population levels in the 1970s.

I don't disagree with you there, but I don't like the idea of others teaching my children on this topic, especially when they're including "emergency contraception." I'm 36 years old, my parents managed to raise me in such a way that I knew how to steer clear of STDs and unwanted pregnancies, despite the small amount of SexEd I got in 5th grade.

I'll be sending my children to a carefully-selected private school when the time comes, and we'll be doing plenty of teaching of social/moral issues at home. That being said, I guess knowing the idiocracy surrounding us, its probably not a bad idea to indoctrinate the majority of children at such a young age, for the sake of "the rest of us", but I do feel bad for people who aren't idiots or bad parents, but don't have the means to send their children to a private school, and potentially have to un-train some of the topics they don't agree with.

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by Bisman

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The current crop of social engineers keep sexualizing children younger and younger

sexual education is not even close to "sexualizing" someone. its attitude like this that kids are unprepared and confused. even by 5th grade its already to late. kids are having sex irresponsibly.

The faithful teaching abstinence isnt working at all, as has been given the chance and proven ineffective for the good part of the american century.

The state now needs to get some world population control and the disease epidemic under control where parents refused to.

At one point i was fine with every family teaching their kids in their own way. but when one side hurts the other with their failures, its time for the real educators to take control.

For my money, I prefer MY own values. Thanks for yours, but No Thanks.

The examples you give are not a majority pandemic.

Nor are they all religious based.

I don't trust the pseudo-intellectuals.

"The State" is infested with these nut cases that press pseudo-values on the normal citizens.

Many pedophiles and psychopaths are present in the system.


The Majority of Citizens Do NOT Have this Problem

So, what is the definition of a real full-fledged Intellectual?
What's the definition of real full-fledged Values?

So long as they're in agreement with you, right? Anything else is questionable, or pseudo, right?

Please let us know what your qualifications are that give you such keen insight and precision information on what the differences between a real full-fledged Intellectual and what real and pseudo Values are.

What intellectual school of thought is your primary influence? Under what paradigm of principals do you base or gauge Value from?

Please, teach your children about the river before they jump in it behind your back and drown.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by brokedown
Your avatar said everything the Fox want in the chicken. Coop

Kindergarten. Children have a hard time understanding how to take turns let alone the complexity of human sexuaity

Man they can't even tie their shoes at that age, let alone spell the word sex.

I agree ... that was my point. The topic was sensationalized to create drama.

Of course at ages 4-6 (kindergarten), they should know the difference between a boy and a girl, meaning penis vs vagina and that all girls have vaginas and all boys have penises AND babies come from mommy's tummy and then the doctor takes the baby out when it gets too big for the mommy's tummy and wants to come out and be with everyone. That's it. Period.

That's not "sex education" ... that is about all a young kindergarten child can handle -- setting them straight on gender differences and going from 'the Stork story' to babies grow inside a mommy's tummy. But, that is NOT "sex education"... it's simply teaching a young child the difference between boys and girls, along with a simplistic, basic explanation as to where babies come from. These are two different things -- there IS a difference.

Originally posted by Mijamija
reply to post by Annee

 

I am not sure that had anything to do with sexual hormones.

It had more to do with kids who were curious about sexuality because they had seen things but their parents were not explaining anything to them.

I'm going to disagree - sort of.

I grew up with a mother and grandmother. I assure you it had nothing to do seeing things or a parent not explaining.

We are a naturally born sexual animal.

We don't just turn it on and become sexual at puberty.

.reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I was reading along as all the rabbit trails begun to diverge on this thread and began to wonder when someone was going to realign the conversation. And of course, it is Benevolent who doth the bidding of the cerebral cortex yet again.

Can we all educate OURSELVES first before proceeding on a topic regarding education? Clearing up the irony of it all helps us proceed with more clarity on the subject at hand.

I agree with the opinion of Benevolent. The ACTUAL curriculum in question is perfectly acceptable and will have been previously instilled in my children long before my children make it to class. The unfortunate reality of this world is that by the time an alarming number of children reach the class they will have been exposed to a vast array of bigoted and closed minded ideologies and some even molested. So, if the school is going to intervene and begin the dialogue that will hopefully someday allow the children to get the help they need, then let it be

I think kids should learn about sex ed at a young age.. Is kindergarten too young? some may say yes, I say no however. When I was in kindergarten i learned about sex from friends at school that learned about it from wherever. The thing is most kids already know about sex (and maybe even participated in intercourse) before they even "learn" about sex in middle or high school. It would probably really be a good thing for them to be educated about such things at an early age. First sex ed class I ever took was in 6th or 7th grade, I had already known about sex since kindergarten/first grade.

Learning about sex at such an early age by no means corrupted me, I didn't lose my virginity until I was 16 when I finally found that girl that I knew was the right one and I don't regret a thing. Basically I fully support schools teaching children sex education because lets face it, they're GOING TO FIND OUT be it from friends, parents, friends' parents, family, older friends, the weird guy down the street or whatever. It's better for them to be properly educated before someone could take advantage of their innocence.

reply to post by nineix

So, what is the definition of a real full-fledged Intellectual?
What's the definition of real full-fledged Values?

So long as they're in agreement with you, right? Anything else is questionable, or pseudo, right?

Please let us know what your qualifications are that give you such keen insight and precision information on what the differences between a real full-fledged Intellectual and what real and pseudo Values are.

What intellectual school of thought is your primary influence? Under what paradigm of principals do you base or gauge Value from?

Please, teach your children about the river before they jump in it behind your back and drown.

Touchy Touchy today ?

A good psychiatric exam and criminal background checks that I trust would be good for starters.

I have actually requested that before doing business with many people.

Including and especially schools.

Not many will cooperate for obvious reasons.

That's why my kids went to private schools. Things were verified and comfirmed to MY standards.

Intuition is worth a million dollars. And it sure came in handy during swimming lessons.

If I don't know someone personally, I am suspicious.

My values are MY standards. Nobody else's.

Thanks for the advice, but No Thanks.

You might want to ask yourself the same things.

Parental guidence is supreme, not wishful thinking.

There's no substitute for success.

And there are a million excuses for failure.

Take your pick.

Originally posted by nineix

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by Bisman

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The current crop of social engineers keep sexualizing children younger and younger

sexual education is not even close to "sexualizing" someone. its attitude like this that kids are unprepared and confused. even by 5th grade its already to late. kids are having sex irresponsibly.

The faithful teaching abstinence isnt working at all, as has been given the chance and proven ineffective for the good part of the american century.

The state now needs to get some world population control and the disease epidemic under control where parents refused to.

At one point i was fine with every family teaching their kids in their own way. but when one side hurts the other with their failures, its time for the real educators to take control.

For my money, I prefer MY own values. Thanks for yours, but No Thanks.

The examples you give are not a majority pandemic.

Nor are they all religious based.

I don't trust the pseudo-intellectuals.

"The State" is infested with these nut cases that press pseudo-values on the normal citizens.

Many pedophiles and psychopaths are present in the system.


The Majority of Citizens Do NOT Have this Problem

So, what is the definition of a real full-fledged Intellectual?
What's the definition of real full-fledged Values?

So long as they're in agreement with you, right? Anything else is questionable, or pseudo, right?

Please let us know what your qualifications are that give you such keen insight and precision information on what the differences between a real full-fledged Intellectual and what real and pseudo Values are.

What intellectual school of thought is your primary influence? Under what paradigm of principals do you base or gauge Value from?

Please, teach your children about the river before they jump in it behind your back and drown.

edit on 18-1-2012 by nineix because: (no reason given)

He is some possibilities:

The Pseudo-Intellectual Test

Have you ever wanted to just know just how pseudo-intellectual you really are? If you think you're smart and want to find out for real, then this is your test!!! If you know deep inside that all these years you have just been faking it…be afraid…be very very afraid…..
You will be forced to make some value judgments and demonstrate the strength of your opinions. This may seem a bit subjective, yet not all opinions are created equal and I will now be testing yours. Good luck!

Next → ... Take it !

and a google --> ... "how to spot pseudo intellectuals"


and by the way, if you ever co-author a book on this subject, please have the publisher put my name on the first-edition list.
I would love to use it as a comparison to reality !

Originally posted by Arekoteya
I think kids should learn about sex ed at a young age.. Is kindergarten too young? some may say yes, I say no however. When I was in kindergarten i learned about sex from friends at school that learned about it from wherever. The thing is most kids already know about sex (and maybe even participated in intercourse) before they even "learn" about sex in middle or high school. It would probably really be a good thing for them to be educated about such things at an early age. First sex ed class I ever took was in 6th or 7th grade, I had already known about sex since kindergarten/first grade.

Learning about sex at such an early age by no means corrupted me, I didn't lose my virginity until I was 16 when I finally found that girl that I knew was the right one and I don't regret a thing. Basically I fully support schools teaching children sex education because lets face it, they're GOING TO FIND OUT be it from friends, parents, friends' parents, family, older friends, the weird guy down the street or whatever. It's better for them to be properly educated before someone could take advantage of their innocence.

FIRST - Where in criminy did you grow up? where could you have grown up where children learn about sex at the age of 5 in Kindergarten? Most 5-year old children cannot even comprehend or process this information.

SECOND - Teaching sex/sex-education to children too young to handle the information is not teaching them something that is age-appropriate.

THIRD - Maybe the OP of this thread could have required this --- EXPERIENCE REQUIRED -- ONLY PARENTS OF CHILDREN OVER THE AGE OF 5 NEED CONTRIBUTE

I agree .. they are going to find out ... BUT NOT WHEN THEY ARE 5 ... It isn't hard to tell you are not a parent.

Well its pretty obvious why they want young children focused on sex.

So they will consume better and be open very early to new products with with sex oriented marketing.


Total BS.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Ridiculous, Kindergarten kids are not near mature enough to have such a conversation.
To be honest, it's a miracle we even address it in 5th grade these days.

Sex ed is up to the parents, not the schools, and that includes sexual orientation.

I agree ...

I think some of the posters here are not parents. If one is not a parent, they really have no business contributing to this thread -- 'Experience Required'. Although I realize all members are free to comment ... just my opinion

I instructed my childrens' teachers, babysitter, camp-leaders and close relatives that if they should ever ask them questions about 'where do babies come from' or anything related to sex or questions of a sexual nature to inform me, and instead of responding to the questions, please tell them this -- "You have to ask your mommy".

The OP article is clearly tainted and biased.

People read a headline and maybe a line or two, then form tainted conclusions.

this other thread may give a clue or two.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by xuenchen


I understand your point of view and don't disagree with you from parental right of way perspective, but, do disagree from standpoint of social education and results shown time and again that can be independently tested, repeated, and verified.

Children, no matter what you as the parent teach, or try to hide from them will learn all sorts of things down to the lowest common denominator from OTHER KIDS.
As stated earlier, your kid might not have an internet connected smart phone, but, I'd bet good money at least one of your kid's friends DOES.

Kids are pretty good at exploring on their own, and keeping secrets between themselves. Do you want them learning things from each other in whispery huddles around a smart phone at recess? or would you rather introduce them to certain subjects YOUR way?

You can try to plan a time-line for certain educational reveals, but, if they've got unsupervised internet access, or a friend that has unsupervised internet access, they're going to learn all sorts of things in all sorts of 'wrong' ways as illustrated with the incident I described with two my niece's children.

She, btw, is now spending tons of $ on counselling the 8yr old son, and 6yr old daughter, and hasn't been able to trust them alone together after that shocking discovery. She's moved the daughter into her room to sleep at nights and never leaves them alone together now.
It's a nightmare police state at her house now, where she can't trust her own children together now all because of some other stupid kid with a smart phone with access to porn, and because there was no dialog about the subject, so, the kids were taking the initiative to learn on their own.
8 and 6yr old?
who'd of thunk.
Kids will set their own time tables usually without prior adult approval.

I respect your position as a parent to guide your children as you see fit since they are your children, but, from a social educational standpoint for pubic education, especially in today's information connected society, I feel it imperative to engage children in an education of the topic feared most, as early as possible, so they're learning proper instead of through friends, and internet, and behind the backs of adults.

Learning at an early age develops a peer group of collective understanding where as a peer group, the children can reinforce the proper social paradigms, manners and forms they learn over the course of their educations among each other.
If all the kids learn the same thing at the same time, the ones that stray off of approved lessons will get called out and shamed by their peers.

Kids spend more time around other kids, and they will keep secrets if they learn something on their own they might think an adult may not approve of. Control the flow of information such that they are taught proper before they learn the hard way or the wrong way, and you've got assurance of knowing what they know.
Lag, and kids are going to find their own way to learn about those topics adults don't won't or are reluctant to talk about on their own terms.
Your terms, or the kid's terms?
Which sounds better?

Apologies if I sounded touchy, but, your overuse of the term pseudo-intellectual is offensive, and the insinuation on the term Values was weighted asymmetrically.

You still have not answered how you quantify what a real intellectual is.
Edit: after posting this I see now you've pointed me to Google, and some other links.
Of course, everything found on the internet is absolutely true.
I'll check it out though.

reply to post by nineix


Good response.

We are all learning.

Just like when we were kids, we soon figure it all out anyway.

I hope we both learned something here.

You still have not answered how you quantify what a real intellectual is.

It's all about individualism and individual perception.

Some people never figure it out, but hopefully that is a small percentage.

All individuals need to determine their own definitions.


[ and I still like the idea of single adult bathrooms ! ]

I work in middle school. The 6th and 7th graders are seperated for "nurse lessons." The 6th graders are embarrassed and some of the 7th graders. 8th grade doesn't seperate the kids. 7th graders learn about all the STD and show them in "unusual" places, like shankers on the finger and genital lice on eyelashes. The nurse told the kids to "use their imagination" as to how those things got to where they were. It aslo showed a bad case of genital warts on a person's face. Then the nurse put in a big plug for the boys getting shots for the papaloma virus and how great it was. I'm sure the nurses think it's really great to teach them, but for a lot of the kids it TMI. No wonder they talk about sex and are curious about it when it is taught rather graphically each year. The kids have to fill out a booklet for a grade and after being checked, its passed back and they are supposed to keep it.
Many of the kids don't want to be in the class, but when they ask parents to have them excused, the parents think they should attend the lessons. Seems backward to me.

Originally posted by zachi
I work in middle school. The 6th and 7th graders are seperated for "nurse lessons." The 6th graders are embarrassed and some of the 7th graders. 8th grade doesn't seperate the kids. 7th graders learn about all the STD and show them in "unusual" places, like shankers on the finger and genital lice on eyelashes. The nurse told the kids to "use their imagination" as to how those things got to where they were. It aslo showed a bad case of genital warts on a person's face. Then the nurse put in a big plug for the boys getting shots for the papaloma virus and how great it was. I'm sure the nurses think it's really great to teach them, but for a lot of the kids it TMI. No wonder they talk about sex and are curious about it when it is taught rather graphically each year. The kids have to fill out a booklet for a grade and after being checked, its passed back and they are supposed to keep it.
Many of the kids don't want to be in the class, but when they ask parents to have them excused, the parents think they should attend the lessons. Seems backward to me.

Sounds like a great example of the school system reflecting the mentality of the "neighborhood".

Where is Mr. Rogers when we need him ?

Hopefully this is a "local" problem.

How "qualified" are those instructors ?