9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

reply to post by weedwhacker So we have confirmation of nearly all the victims being identified from remains recovered at the Pentagon - victims that were on the flight manifest of AA77. We also have certified analysis of the AA77 data recorder recovered at the Pentagon. The NTSB has certified its authenticity which makes it official even by Ultima's strict standards. What are we to conclude did the damage there when there's no evidence official or otherwise to suggest anything but AA77.

Originally posted by Pilgrum So we have confirmation of nearly all the victims being identified from remains recovered at the Pentagon - victims that were on the flight manifest of AA77. We also have certified analysis of the AA77 data recorder recovered at the Pentagon. .

1. We have evidence of the passengers BUT NO EVIDNCE THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING. 2. Thier is debate on the data from the FDR. Also why is it still the only part to have been matched to AA77. 3. Still waiting on any actual evidence that shows AA77 hit the Pentagon. Any SOURCED photos or videos, any official crime scene reports.

reply to post by ULTIMA1 ULTIMA.....you answer a question with another question. Is this a valid tactic?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed An adult would have actually clicked the link I provided....and researched the information that was linked there

An adult doing research would have seen there are no reports matching any parts found to AA77. Also would know the witness statements would not hold up in court, specailly with 1 witness admitting he did not know waht hit the buidling and was told later it was 757 (thats called hearsay)

We've already been over your fallacious reasoning, Ultima1, to wit: Ultima1 states: There is evidence showing that AA77 hit the Pentagon. Most of the evidence has not been released. Therefore: We cannot know if AA77 hit the Pentagon. High school students are taught fallacious reasoning. Ultima1 never has never been exposed to logic and critical thinking otherwise he would never have have made such an illogical statement. Ultima1, here is my favorite book on critical thinking. If you have the courage to read it, I assure you that you will come back here and admit that you got it all wrong. Here it is: www.amazon.com... [edit on 7-6-2008 by jthomas]

Originally posted by jthomas Ultima1, here is my favorite book on critical thinking.

So you still cannot post any evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas Ultima1, here is my favorite book on critical thinking.

So you still cannot post any evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

You stated: "There is evidence showing that AA77 hit the Pentagon." What evidence?

Originally posted by jthomas You stated: "There is evidence showing that AA77 hit the Pentagon."

As stated the the FBI and NTSB has not released most of the evidence. The FBI took over 40,000 photos of the crime scenes, plus confiscated all military and civilian photos and videos. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED. The FBI has several videos from the security cameras from on and around the Pentagon. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED. The FBI has parts and debris from the plane that hit the Pentagon. THEY HAVE NOT RELEASED ANY REPORTS ON THESE PARTS. Since this evidence has not been released we have no way to verify that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

Total strawman. And too absurd to go unchallenged. Because the evidence Ultima claims exists hasn't been released does not eliminate the overwhelming evidence that is (and has been for years and years) freely available in the public domain. The strawman is thus: Ultima is essentially ceding the fight when it comes to the massive, overwhelming amount of evidence currently available. There is no lack of freely available information. There are pages upon pages upon pages of reports, thousands (literally) of eyewitnesses to the event(s), thousand of reports from first responders who were physically there, flight recorders, cockpit voice recordings, FFA radar tapes, airplane wreckage strewn about - some with the AA livery for God's sake - manifests, cell phone calls from the actual airplanes, videos of the hijackers going through security, being listed on the final manifest printed at the gate, etc, etc, etc, etc. However, to Ultima, none of this matters. He is claiming all of the amassed evidence tells us nothing. Until we have the information he claims "they" have, everything we do know and understand is irrelevant. It's not intellectually honest and it's nothing more than denial, IMO. When and if this information is ever released, truthers will just move the goal posts. They've been moving the goal posts for almost seven years. After all the so-called truth club isn't about answers and understanding. [edit on 7-6-2008 by SlightlyAbovePar]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1 The FBI has parts and debris from the plane that hit the Pentagon. THEY HAVE NOT RELEASED ANY REPORTS ON THESE PARTS. Since this evidence has not been released we have no way to verify that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

The NTSB has released its findings on the FDR. They are an official source that you said that you would accept as accurate. They stated that the FDR was found at the Pentagon. They state that the data shows no unusual info. Therefore 77 hit the Pentagon. Also, the people on the plane were id'd through official sources, and you said that you would accept this source as true. The ME report states that the remains were found at the Pentagon, and that the identifications are correct and match the people on the plane. Therefore 77 hit the Pentagon. So you have 2 ways to verify that 77 hit the Pentagon. Scientificlly proven evidence that in no way relies on witness statements or opinion. You just choose to ignore it. How is this to be considered "looking for what happened" when you ignore evidence that you have said that you would accept as true?

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar Total strawman. And too absurd to go unchallenged. Because the evidence Ultima claims exists hasn't been released does not eliminate the overwhelming evidence that is (and has been for years and years) freely available in the public domain. The strawman is thus: Ultima is essentially ceding the fight when it comes to the massive, overwhelming amount of evidence currently available. There is no lack of freely available information. There are pages upon pages upon pages of reports, thousands (literally) of eyewitnesses to the event(s), thousand of reports from first responders who were physically there, flight recorders, cockpit voice recordings, FFA radar tapes, airplane wreckage strewn about - some with the AA livery for God's sake - manifests, cell phone calls from the actual airplanes, videos of the hijackers going through security, being listed on the final manifest printed at the gate, etc, etc, etc, etc. However, to Ultima, none of this matters. He is claiming all of the amassed evidence tells us nothing. Until we have the information he claims "they" have, everything we do know and understand is irrelevant. It's not intellectually honest and it's nothing more than denial, IMO. When and if this information is ever released, truthers will just move the goal posts. They've been moving the goal posts for almost seven years. After all the so-called truth club isn't about answers and understanding. [edit on 7-6-2008 by SlightlyAbovePar]

You're exactly right. But remember, evidence inconvenient to Ultima1 does not count as evidence.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas You stated: "There is evidence showing that AA77 hit the Pentagon."

The FBI has parts and debris from the plane that hit the Pentagon. THEY HAVE NOT RELEASED ANY REPORTS ON THESE PARTS. Since this evidence has not been released we have no way to verify that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

Thanks for verifying again that the plane hit the Pentagon. We knew that. So did you. The only thing you forgot was that the physical evidence of AA77 was seen and/or in the hands of hundreds of non-government employees before the FBI was involved. But then you didn't want to verify that.

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar Because the evidence Ultima claims exists hasn't been released does not eliminate the overwhelming evidence that is (and has been for years and years) freely available in the public domain.

Too bad you cannot actaully show this so called overwhelming evidence. Please show me any solid evdience that proves that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

Originally posted by Seymour Butz They state that the data shows no unusual info.

But thats where you are wrong becasue it does show a different flight path then the official story.

Originally posted by jthomas You're exactly right. But remember, evidence inconvenient to Ultima1 does not count as evidence.

I am still waiting for any actual evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon. The FDR does not count since it has been debated and also shows a different flight path then the official story. [edit on 7-6-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas You're exactly right. But remember, evidence inconvenient to Ultima1 does not count as evidence.

I am still waiting for any actual evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

You just did. Again. [edit on 8-6-2008 by jthomas]

Originally posted by jthomas You just did. Again.

The FDR does not count since it has been debated and also shows a different flight path then the official story

Originally posted by ULTIMA1 The FDR does not count since it has been debated and also shows a different flight path then the official story

HAHAHAHAHA Someone told me the sun is hot. I tell you it isn't!! Really the sun isn't as hot as they say. The earths core is where we get all our heat from. See, I started a debate. So it IS possible that the sun is not as hot as scientists say it is. Why? Because I am debating it. Oh, and please back up your claim about the flight path. Evidence please.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt Oh, and please back up your claim about the flight path. Evidence please.

Thats funny coming from someone who is too imature to post evidnece or to admit when evidence is posted. If you were adult enough to do reseascryou would have seen data from the FDR that states it was on a different flight path then the official story states. Maybe someday you will learn how to do research but i doubt it.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt Oh, and please back up your claim about the flight path. Evidence please.

Thats funny coming from someone who is too imature to post evidnece or to admit when evidence is posted. If you were adult enough to do reseascryou would have seen data from the FDR that states it was on a different flight path then the official story states. Maybe someday you will learn how to do research but i doubt it.

Since you admitted a plane hit, it's a moot point. You've given us no reason to believe it was not AA77.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1 But thats where you are wrong becasue it does show a different flight path then the official story.

Sez you. The NTSB - which issued an official report, a report that you said you would accept as true - is qualified to make these judgements. You are not. Therefore, your opinion about what the FDR says does not matter.