9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

Originally posted by weedwhacker It relates to the Altimeter settings,,,,and what is recorded on the DVDR, since the actual altmeters (all three of them) were destroyed.

So if they were destoyed how do we know the data from the card has not been tampered with or switched?

reply to post by ULTIMA1 because, ULTIMA.....the DFDRs were using data cards....know how to fake that??

Originally posted by weedwhacker because, ULTIMA.....the DFDRs were using data cards....know how to fake that??

I am sure there is a way. Plus i am sure it would be easy to switch them also.

cicentre.com... History Of 9/11 Attack On The Pentagon Published

The Department of Defense has announced today that the Historical Office of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, in collaboration with the Naval Historical Center and with the assistance of the Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps historical offices, has published a detailed, carefully documented history of the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon… “Pentagon 9/11”is the most comprehensive account to date of the attack and its aftermath, examining both the impact of the deadly assault on the Pentagon building and its occupants and the compelling rescue and recovery effort that followed……(Dept of Defense Press Release, 10 Sep 07)

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reply to post by ULTIMA1 Sorry, ULTIMA....not sure how your claim of the DFDR being corrupted, or modified, relates to the link you just provided???? Exactly what are you trying to say???

Originally posted by weedwhacker Sorry, ULTIMA....not sure how your claim of the DFDR being corrupted, or modified, relates to the link you just provided????

I was just posting the information, i just came across it and it fits with the discussion on the Pentogon.

What do the experts say? Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career. Member, Military Intelligence Hall of Fame. Video 7/11/06: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" In fact look at the professionals that don't believe in the official story.. www.patriotsquestion911.com... We are under attack from our own gov. [edit on 2-6-2008 by jondular]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by weedwhacker because, ULTIMA.....the DFDRs were using data cards....know how to fake that??

I am sure there is a way. Plus i am sure it would be easy to switch them also.

Do you have evidence of tampering or is that simply an opinion in support of your agenda? I must remind you that the NTSB has produced a report stating that the recorder is from AA77 and that they dismantled it to remove the memory for downloading and analysis. It's a component uniquely identified with that particular plane and remains so.

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Originally posted by KarmaIncarnate I was just posting the information, i just made up because it helps to justify my paranoid delusions and because it helps me steer this thread further off course and lets me troll some more.

Wow, thanks for keep proving how immature you believers really are and how much you have to lie.

Yes, we skeptics are good at beating back 9/11 Deniers.

How Skeptics Confronted 9/11 Denialism by John Ray Skeptics today bemoan the overwhelming proportion of people who claim to believe in all manner of conspiracy theories from the JFK assassination to the origins of HIV-AIDS. For that reason, it may be worthwhile to take a moment to stop and celebrate one area in which skeptical advocacy has been overwhelming successful: the world of 9/11 conspiracies. Through the work of scholars like Michael Shermer and James Meigs, along with everyday skeptics on the grassroots level, critical inquiry has been overwhelmingly successful in calling these conspiracy theorists to task. ... Yet, in just under four years, the 9/11 “truth movement” has ground to a halt. Apart from the fundamental incoherence of their theories, the downfall of the 9/11 denier juggernaut was good old-fashioned skepticism at its finest, the kind that conjures visions of James Randi challenging psychics and faith healers on their home turfs and winning. Skeptics are better at their jobs than they think, and its important to give credit where credit is due. www.skeptic.com...

Originally posted by jthomas Yes, we skeptics are good at beating back 9/11 Deniers.

Gee if only you could post actual evidence to support the official 9/11 story. How can people still believe the official story when there were so many contridictions in what happned that day. Like car bombs, truck bombs, Woolworth missile. Also the fact that NIST keeps changing its story. 1. NIST first stated in its computer model that the plane impacts and fires did not casue the collapse. Then they change the story and say it was both that caused the collpase. 2. NIST first stated a pancake collapse for the towers. Then they changed the story to say it was not a pancake collapse. 3. NIST did not recover any steel from building 7 to do test. So please tell me how people can still believe the official story? Is it because they do not want to think about that something else othere then what they have bene told happened?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas Yes, we skeptics are good at beating back 9/11 Deniers.

Gee if only you could post actual evidence to support the official 9/11 story. How can people still believe the official story when there were so many contridictions in what happned that day. Like car bombs, truck bombs, Woolworth missile. Also the fact that NIST keeps changing its story. 1. NIST first stated in its computer model that the plane impacts and fires did not casue the collapse. Then they change the story and say it was both that caused the collpase. 2. NIST first stated a pancake collapse for the towers. Then they changed the story to say it was not a pancake collapse. 3. NIST did not recover any steel from building 7 to do test. So please tell me how people can still believe the official story? Is it because they do not want to think about that something else othere then what they have bene told happened?

"It is rare when those of us in the skeptical community get to celebrate a concrete success in building public consensus on an issue of pseudoscience. In the combination of grassroots Internet support and mainstream media advocacy we have seen one such moment. It was once feared that the 9/11 conspiracies would be the next JFK conspiracies — silly yet pernicious, running unchecked until it was too late. The opposite has happened here. Because the skeptical community gave the public some well-needed straight talk on the issue, pulled no punches, and let no challenge go soundly unanswered, we have won in six years what could have become a half-century long, uphill battle as with JFK conspiracy theories. Here’s to winning once in awhile." www.skeptic.com...

Originally posted by jthomas Because the skeptical community gave the public some well-needed straight talk on the issue, pulled no punches, and let no challenge go soundly unanswered, we have won in six years what could have become a half-century long, uphill battle as with JFK conspiracy theories. Here’s to winning once in awhile."

Gee if only you could post actual evidence to support the official 9/11 story instead of opinions and theories.

reply to post by ULTIMA1 ULTIMA, I will not re-write what I asked on another thread, the jet-engine thread....I will pose the same question, from there, to here as well. Thank you.

Originally posted by weedwhacker ULTIMA, I will not re-write what I asked on another thread, the jet-engine thread....I will pose the same question, from there, to here as well.

As i have stated numerous times, we do not know what hit the Pentagon because most of the evidence has not been released. FAA records show the plane was destoyed but not how, when or where. DNA records show passengers are dead but no evindece that they were in the building.

reply to post by ULTIMA1 ULTIMA, what 'DNA evidence' shows the passengers are dead??? I didn't pull a snippet from your post, I will invite readers to simply click on the blue link, and see the post I am responding to. Is the 'DNA' evidence gathered from the Pentagon? Really, I am asking you to provide real information, not innuendo nor 'guesses. Hope this makes sense...got a phone call in the middle of typing this post.

Originally posted by weedwhacker ULTIMA, what 'DNA evidence' shows the passengers are dead??? .

www.arlingtoncemetery.net...

Investigators have identified remains of 184 people who were aboard American Airlines Flight 77 or inside the Pentagon, including those of the five hijackers, but they say it is impossible to match what is left with the five missing people.

reply to post by ULTIMA1 OK, ULTIMA.....your link points out that most DNA was identified, all but five. That means, 179 dead victims were identified. What is the rest of your point???

Originally posted by weedwhacker OK, ULTIMA.....your link points out that most DNA was identified, all but five. That means, 179 dead victims were identified. What is the rest of your point???

Well you asked for DNA evidence that the passengers were dead, i gave it to you. BUT there is no evidence that they were in the Pentagon. Do i need to post the FAA documents that show AA77 was destroyed BUT not how, when or where?