Why call him god?

reply to post by sacgamer25


You must realize this so called bible you are reading from is a translation. Meanings are lost, and names have been tampered with, especially the Messiah and the Heavenly Father. Why in the Old Testament its Joshua in English then New Testament its Jesus...see the conspiracy here?

Lord in the Strongs concordance means Master, 2962.
www.blueletterbible.org...

Jesus is a translation of a translation of Iesous shown in Strong's concordance G2424. www.blueletterbible.org...

But the Strong's concordance wants us to believe that 'Jesus' G2424 actually comes from H3091 Jehoshua/Yahuwshuwah, but it really comes from Yeshua, a completely different name,H3442. www.blueletterbible.org...

But the real Hebrew Name for the Messiah is יחושוע properly called Yahuwshuwah, the Strongs has it as Yehoshua H3091. But that Yeho should be Yahuw in its origninal paleo form, not this modern yiddish dialect.
www.blueletterbible.org...

God is properly translated as Alahym not Elohim. El was a deity commonly known as a bull, El torro, El diablo.....you get my point. Strongs shows it as H430.
www.blueletterbible.org...
אלהים . The proper pronunciation is Alahym not Elohim, the massorites added vowel points to make the reader sound it out as El to confuse the reader, as like they did with Yahweh and most of the names in Scripture to move away from finding the Father's Name. You know seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be opened unto you, you have to dig to find the truth.

the Lord is translated from a Hebrew word called YHWH or Yahuwah, H3068. www.blueletterbible.org...

But the interesting thing is, the word Baal H1168, actually means Lord!! www.blueletterbible.org...

So really saying "Jesus is Lord" is really saying "Jesus is Baal or Iesous is Baal" etc. Jesus' name does not trace back to H3091 Yahuwshuwah but to Yeshua H3442. Dont be fooled.

Even more frightening is that in Greek the letters had a number system attatched to them like the Hebrew, and in Greek the number 666 spelled out as Chi-Xi-Stigma is pronounced 'Je zeus'. There is a video I cant remember the name but it has a simple breakdown, a series.

The proper way to read that verse is

10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Master יחושוע, and shalt believe in thine heart that יחוח hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Yahuwah יחוח is our Heavenly Father, He is Alahym and so is also Yahuwshuwah Alahym. Alahym means mighty one, which can also refer to mighty men, like Moses was to Pharaoh.

Exodus 7:1 And יחוח said unto Moses, See, I have made thee Alahym to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
KJV Restored

Exodus 7:1And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
KJV

reply to post by Seektruthalways1

Dear Seektruthalways1,

Forgive me for stepping in so late, but I wanted to complement you on your research and scholarship. Also, neat name.

But, as I'm sure you know, I am the most confused person on ATS, so I ask foolish questions.

You are right that the Bible is a translation. Anything changed from one language to another is a translation. I would wager that most of everything we know from before, say, 1900, is a translation. We really don't have a choice but to use translations, the goal is to make them as good as possible. (Even in English, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales are impenetrable to us.) So why worry that the Bible is?

Second, I'm not sure why calling Him Jesus, or Iesus, or Fred makes a lot of difference. We're used to Jesus from the New Testament. What is the harm?

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by charles1952


Dispite what many people say, it matters not what you call him...

All that matters is that you recognize the lessons this spiritual figure taught.... IF you recognise the value within his lessons, you can also recognize that what he taught was pure truth... Thus belief is set in place...

IF you believe something to be true, you practice it...

The same arguement holds true with Gods name... people are wound up in finding the name for him... when God is the perfect name for what he is... the word holds reverence that no other word can hold...

Much love my friend

reply to post by charles1952


Ok ill explain best I can, there is no foolish questions unless its asked for a wicked agenda in my opinion.

יהוה = Yahuwah
יהושוע = Yahuwshuwah

The Name of our Savior is VERY important, in fact its mandatory for our salvation. Lets look at John 3:16-18

John 3:16 For יהוה so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

3:17 For יהוה sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of יהוה.

Now the only way to be saved is by the original Name that was spoken here. How do we know its Hebrew? Well I wont get into that, but the Bible or The Scriptures is a Hebrew Book. It was originally written in Hebrew, and the Names were all written in Hebrew, spoken in Hebrew and proclaimed in Hebrew for it is the root of all languages and the Pure language. It is corrupted now, but we will be brought back to a pure language once again after the Son delivers up the kingdom to Yahuwah.

Acts 4:10-12 will emphasize how important this is.

4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of יהושוע the Messiah of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom יהוה raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

So here is clearly says there is no other name whereby we must be saved. We must believe on the Son's Name for Salavation, and the Father's Name. Please watch this video my minister Bennett to give you a crash course on all what I am talking about and more.

reply to post by Seektruthalways1

Dear Seektruthalways1,

One more question if I might?

4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Does the "name under heaven" mean that the name He was known by under heaven is the important one? And does "given among men" mean the name he was given when He was among men?

reply to post by Seektruthalways1

John 3:16 For יהוה so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

3:17 For יהוה sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of יהוה.

Those quotes surely show that God's name is יהוה - the Hebrew tetragrammaton of YHWH - which has traditionally been pronounced Jehovah throughout the Centuries in the English language.

Even so far that hymns like "Guide me thou oh great Jehovah" were once the main stay of the Church of England song book - later the words were changed to "Guide me thou oh great redeemer".

יהושוע the Messiah

יהושוע the name of the only begotten Son of יהוה translated as Jesus or Yeshua. Often distinguished from other men of that name, with the addition of Christ - as it was not an uncommon first name in Palestine during that era
eg Jesus Barabbas, who the Jewish crowds released at the time of Jesus' Christs trial.

reply to post by furzball


You can call me human man because i believe in god.

reply to post by charles1952


Yes that speaking of the Messiah when he walked the earth, while he came in His Father's Name.

YAHUWAH = I am that I am or I am who I am

YAHU-wshu-WAH = Means Yahuwah is salvation

reply to post by JB1234


Only one big problem, you cannot translate the Father's Name or the Sons Name to whatever language you feel like.

Does it not say that every tongue shall confess that Yahuwshuwah is the Messiah? That means every language will confess in 1 Name, not everyone calling on their own translation.

reply to post by Seektruthalways1

Only one big problem, you cannot translate the Father's Name or the Sons Name to whatever language you feel like.

Right, so why are you doing exactly that?
The name of Jesus is Jesus.
That's his name, now, and when he "walked the earth".
That is what the Bible says.
You are giving the choice: believe the Bible, or believe in me.

reply to post by furzball


Do you call your parents by there real name or by there title?

I thought it would be quite obvious.

reply to post by Seektruthalways1


Just a few points about why I think JEHOVAH is the correct English and other Latin based language pronunciation of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH or יהוה

1. The Hebrew consonant Y is translated as a J and pronounced J in English & all Latin based languages from other Hebrew Proper Names beginning with a Y. Such as Jerusalem, Jacob and Jeremiah. I've never heard anyone argue that these names should be pronounced any diifferently, even though ALL of these names are spelt with a Y in Hebrew at the beginning of their names.

2. Therefore the centuries old traditional pronunciation of the Hebrew consonant word beginning with Y is J. A translation is just that - a translation into another language using the pronunciation common to that particular language.

3. Some Bible translators have preferred to use Yahweh - however that is NOT consistent with the commonly accepted translation of other Hebrew names.

4. It's argued that because the Hebrew language lacks vowels in the writing, we cannot say for definite how a Hebrew name should be pronounced. However that doesn't take into account that numerous Hebrew proper names are derived from YHWH. Some use the first two syllables of God's name as a prefix. Other names use the last syllable as a suffix.

5. The Divine name was surely made up of three syllables to pronounce as in Je-Ho-Vah NOT Yah-Weh because of the number of Hebrew letters being 4 - the vowel of the middle syllable was traditionally an O making HO in other Hebrew names containing the prefix also.

- Some other Hebrew Proper Name examples which incorporate part of the Tetragrammaton YHWH - as the Prefix

Je-Ho-Ash,

Je-Ho-Ha-Nan,

Je-Hoi-a-Chin,

Je-Hon-a-Dab

Je-Ho-Ram

Je-Hosh'a-phat

Je-Hosh'e-ba

Also Je-Hosh'u-a = Jesus

Je-Hoz'a-bad

No one argues about these pronunciations being incorrect at all, so why God's name?

Here are some Hebrew Proper Names that use part of the tetragrammaton YHWH as a suffix.

Zephani-ah, Hezeki- ah, Jeremi-ah

There are dozens of other examples to be found in the Bible also. Which to me makes arguing that
Je - Ho - Vah isn't the correct pronunciation of God's Proper Name YHWH very difficult.

Also - Take the name Jehohanan mentioned as one of the examples above -

In English the equivalent to Jehohanan is John.
In German that name is used as Johann
In French that name is Jean
In Spanish - Juan

All these names are spelt with a J at the beginning not a Y. Where these names are pronounced Y for a J that follows the common pronounciation of their language. Consequently eg in Spanish Jehovah is pronounced Ye-Ho-Vah as with all other J sounds like Juan which is pronounced Y-uan.

I call God Love/Joy because that is what God is and he is all encompassing.

Pantheism is the way.

Originally posted by furzball
Alright, I don't know when or how it started. My best guess is Yahweh's name had to be translated for the KJB. But Why call Yahweh just God. It's like me going up to you and calling you "Man", "Woman", "Kid", "Adult", "Human", etc.

Why the strong use of the title and not his older name? Seems rather silly and stupid to me.

From what I read Jesus didn't use the name God but the name Abba, or Father. I like Creator. I don't think the word is stupid though, just because people need a chain to learn from. However, the word may be wrong, it will be interesting to see if someone proves it a hoax. I would believe it because the muslim religion says "The God." Muslims psychologically segregate. The end of the earth (West) has connected with the ancient East, and the calling is for love and freedom in self expression for all souls has come, to be and experience, to determine psychology, and to have no seperations.

Originally posted by greyer
The end of the earth (West) has connected with the ancient East, and the calling is for love and freedom in self expression for all souls has come, to be and experience, to determine psychology, and to have no seperations.

Now THIS is an inspired message from God. There is much love here. I agree with you completely and I can't wait for the day that the majority comes to this realization.

God is just another way to bring something beyond human expression to a somewhat tangible human title. Any religion, big or small is all refering to that subtle unknown(known) just describing it through different languages and experiences. The "real" name doesnt truly matter as long as the idea behind it is pure. For that which is infinite cannot be describe through finite faculties; language.

reply to post by TaoFlow

God is tangible to me, as in being able be seen and felt and heard. Now there may be a greater thought behind all that which is not tangible but that would be normal and expected.

Originally posted by arpgme

Originally posted by greyer
The end of the earth (West) has connected with the ancient East, and the calling is for love and freedom in self expression for all souls has come, to be and experience, to determine psychology, and to have no seperations.

Now THIS is an inspired message from God. There is much love here. I agree with you completely and I can't wait for the day that the majority comes to this realization.

So awesome.. Thank you.

I awake in the day, I think my mind is awake, I think my soul is awake, but the day proves to break my heart. I need help. I will not hinder within my beliefs of so much study of the true earth. One world - One love, a beautiful struggle.