Liberals Against Photo IDs in Voting Booths

reply to post by TupacShakur

Could people just walk in and be like...."Yo, my name is Scooby Doo. I'd like to vote please", then come in later with a fake moustache and a new shirt and say "Hello, I'm Tom Hanks. I'd like to vote"?

Are you old enough to vote yet? Have you voted? Is that the way it works in your State?

Are you trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist?

I am pretty sure you titled this wrong. It should read
"Americans against a poll tax."
What happened to all the liberty lovin'?

That is a very real issue here in Arizona as well as other places. It also helps against voters voting more than once in different precincts.

reply to post by mwood


That is, to put it mildly, bovine excrement. It is not a 'real' issue in Arizona or anywhere else for that matter.

You cannot vote in two different precincts in Arizona. Your name is only listed in one precinct, if you want to vote in a different precinct, your vote will be sealed and held aside until it is determined that you haven't also voted in your 'home' (or other) precinct.

I worked elections at both polling stations and at the Election Computer Center in Pima County for more than 10 years and though that was more than 20 years ago now, I feel pretty confident that the powers that be would not lower their standards towards voter fraud. And believe you me, the standards during my experience were very high.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


It has nothing to do with "little or big government" .. showing your ID in no way increases the "size" of Government.

Conservatives want ID's because people voting when they are not allowed, both those here legally and illegally, as well as identity theft of people using other peoples information to vote but never having to show any ID.

Liberals don't want ID because the Latino population is a massive base of support (and growing every year as a % of the economy) .. the more illegals that vote, the more votes Democrats get.

It's all about votes. Not the size of government.

I think this is a red herring. Of far greater importance is concern over the integirty of electronic voting and electroinc counting, There is a video on here about a bloke giving evidence in court on how he wrote a electronic voting program that enabled the selected candidate to win. The program included code that then instructed the computer to destroy the code that executes the counting of the votes that provides the right numbers, if required.

From memory; the state election that was 'influenced' by the program was in the state of illinois (is that he right spelling)

electronic voting yes
electronic counting never, never, never, never

Very surprised to see so many freedom loving Americans wanting to have photo ID. ID Cards in the UK have been resisted at every level. Many view them as just another tool for the police to hit you over the head with.

On the contrary.

ID's prevent fraud. (I did a wee thread on this just a while back).

Unions ironically, demand photo ID to prevent fraud, yet they support the same political ideology that is fighting ID for voters.

Qui bono?

Who benefits from this?

Obviously the democrat party, if they succeed in their fight to allow no ID.

Seems funny that the only way a certain political ideology can push itself onto the American public is through cheating.
Apparently, going about it honestly doesn't work for them.

"conservative" doesn't mean NO government though, it just means less overall, though certain areas would require more involvement, such as border/immigration control

reply to post by beezzer


Union members are members, so they require some type of ID to prove their membership. Citizens are not members of any organisation, so do not need ID to prove their membership to cast a vote.

I understand the intention of the democrats for doing this, so they can get more votes from illegals right?

But asking citizens to provide photo ID is a little draconian no?

I mean how many people have photo ID in the states anyway, the only Nationally recognized Identity document with a photo would be ones passport and what percentage of Americans have passports, less than 50% I imagine.

reply to post by woodwardjnr
If there wasn't so much fraud involved then it'd be a moot issue.

But there is.

Ironic, in that in America, you need a photo ID to purchase; cold medicine, drain cleaner, alcohol, cigarettes, lottery tickets, obtain food stamps, welfare benefits, unemployment benefits, housing, utilities, internet, cable tv, automobiles, renting a car, getting a hotel room, . . . . . yet not to vote.

As for unions, yes they are members and they make sure that only members vote.

Kind of like citizens and only wanting citizens to vote.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

If there wasn't so much fraud involved then it'd be a moot issue.

But there is.

Care to point to evidence, or should i be satisfied with the assertion?

reply to post by narwahl

Either you or I could simply Google "voter fraud" and get thousands of hits.

Just in recent GOP elections there have been issues of fraud, and that isn't even at a national level yet.

Funny enough when I simply google that all I can find are claims about 1000s of dead/undocumented voters stealing elections, and then those stories die within a week.
But I can't blame you Beezeer, If Rethuglican Lawmakers can't come up with cases, why should you be able to?

Originally posted by narwahl
Funny enough when I simply google that all I can find are claims about 1000s of dead/undocumented voters stealing elections, and then those stories die within a week.
But I can't blame you Beezeer, If Rethuglican Lawmakers can't come up with cases, why should you be able to?

OOOOOh touche'!

Want me to come up with cases where democrats have cheated, been caught cheating?

Gee, golly!

Might take me all of two bloody seconds!

Riddle me this, batman, if there is no case for fraud, then why is it that the demoncrats are the only ones fighting it?

Harper pulled this scam just before the last Canadian election. He quietly changed the rules for ID required at the voting station. So quietly, that I and at least 20 other people at the voting station I was voting at, had to leave and come back with a utility bill in their name with their current address on it, and heaven forbid the address on your ID (which might be 2 years old) doesn't match.

And of course, this was done to limit the youth and poor vote, as they rarely vote conservative, and it worked, out of the little over half of Candians that voted, Harper got a little over half, giving him a "Majority" government.

My opinion on this, if photo Id is to be required it should be provided free well in advance of the election.

One has to wonder though, with all this screaming of "election fraud" if these same ATS users were also screaming about the election fraud that handed Bush his first term. I'm sure they were screaming from the rooftops warning people of this fraud and how it was destroying the election process, and that it didn't matter that "their man" was in office, it was still fraudulent.

I guess I must be living in a different timestream as my history doesn't exactly read that way. In fact, most of the people you'll find whining over Obama rigging the elections so illegals can vote (lol) are the ones who were storming the recounting station demanding they stop counting before Gore got into the lead.

I'm quite amazed to see so many people falling for this Left Right BS. I'm saddened, in light of the "no political trolling" thread, so see people still attempting to generalize everyone into "Liberals" and "conservatives"

honestly, stop for a second and google the term you are using to describe yourself, then google the term you are using to describe "them". i think you might be surprised to see you have basically inverted the definitions of the terms you are using to the point of absurdity.

"Protect the constitution.... well, only those parts that benefit my party I mean"

Wow.

reply to post by beezzer


Well it's been over 20 minutes and I don't see any examples from you. I was hoping you would find some concrete cases of fraud too. And your riddle makes no sense, dems are fighting the voter fraud battle, is that what you are implying? Last I checked it was republicans who were making this non-issue an issue.

Originally posted by DarkKnight76
reply to post by beezzer

 

Well it's been over 20 minutes and I don't see any examples from you. I was hoping you would find some concrete cases of fraud too. And your riddle makes no sense, dems are fighting the voter fraud battle, is that what you are implying? Last I checked it was republicans who were making this non-issue an issue.

Don't hold your breath. The Republicans themselves can only point to a handful of in-person voter fraud cases. Yes, there are more than zero, but it is NOT a problem on a large enough scale to change election results in any way.

This whole id move is nothing more or less than an attempt to suppress votes. Yeah, the GOP and the Tea Baggers all scream and cry about illegals voting, but when asked for hard facts and evidence to back that up, there is the usual silence.

In fact, the whole idea of voter registration is itself just an attempt to suppress votes. If someone is living in the country and subject to our laws, they should get to vote one time. To prevent multiple voting, every voter sticks their finger into a pot of ink. I'm serious. It was good enough for Iraq, and is a simple method to prevent multiple voting.

Problem solved. All anyone needs to vote is proof they live here (i.e. not a tourist). Three months of utility bills for example, and a clean finger and off you go to vote. One time.

But the Republicans and Tea Baggers are far too fightened at the thought of real voter participation... they want to suppress the vote as much as possible to keep their drones in power.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


Link??? Evidence??? SOURCE????
AH UH HUH...

DENY IGNORANCE INDEED!!!
So funny that the last President that cheated to win the election (IN FLORIDA WHERE HIS NEPHEW WAS GOVERNOR) WAS BUSH A REPUBLICAN!!!

There worried if Voter ID gets passed they won't be able to vote twice.

Sadly it makes sense to do this, voter fraud is getting to be a problem.

Originally posted by DarkKnight76
reply to post by beezzer

 

Well it's been over 20 minutes and I don't see any examples from you. I was hoping you would find some concrete cases of fraud too. And your riddle makes no sense, dems are fighting the voter fraud battle, is that what you are implying? Last I checked it was republicans who were making this non-issue an issue.

Sorry puddin'.
I'm at work.

Will try when I get home.