Barack Obama unable to register for primaries as Alabama reviews his eligibility

reply to post by Chickensalad


I think you may be overestimating the willingness of people to "revolt" against Barack Obama and the number of people who are desperate to get him out of office. You can see his approval numbers here (it's about 50-50)

I see people talking about "waking up to the truth" -- but they don't seem to have done a lot of digging into the policies that they are blaming on Obama to see how it came into law. Presidents aren't dictators or popes -- they simply can't just make a fiat and have it pass into law the second they finish their talk. I think that people who stop and read up on legislation will have a different view of things -- notice who's blocking things and who's refusing to "go along" until they get a bit of extra pork attached to the bill and how long a law that you're blaming on the President has actually been going through Congress.

I think that those who are "waking up" to how laws are made and passed are among those 72% who are VERY dissatisfied with Congress and want to kick the scoundrels out.

reply to post by Chickensalad


Also, we the people have ALWAYS had a voice. However -- MY voice may not be YOUR voice, and vice-versa. What's making the impact is the number who choose to vote.

I always vote. Even if my cause loses, the numbers show me as one of the dissenters. If it was up to "me, the people", Bush the second would have been a NO term president. But the majority of the voters disagreed with me and their voice won.

reply to post by Byrd


The OP also failed to share that it is the Democrat Party of Alabama that is requesting the court to "hear" this case tomorrow in order to dismiss it.

The way people distort facts here is amazing...thanks for bringing in the facts.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


I didnt distort or leave out anything. the link is there. and my opinion is there. whats with the attack?

reply to post by TheRedneck


So I would assume Redneck that you don't believe Obama has proven his eligibility enough?

Orly at it in New Hampshire as well...
www.huffingtonpost.com...

reply to post by Southern Guardian

I believe it is a moot point at this time, since he has already occupied the Office of the Presidency for over three years. I also believe the fact that so many believe his eligibility to be in question after all this time is a shameful disgrace to that office and to the United States as a whole. I further believe this disgraceful topic to be extremely indicative of his entire term.

Why has he not been able to simply present a Birth Certificate? I can get one here, in rural Alabama inside of an hour, certified. I have done it. He hasn't been able to do the same in three years. If he is a legitimate American by birth, he has shown total disregard for the Constitution and thereby broken his vow to uphold and defend such; if he is not, he has again violated that same oath. Either way, he is a traitor to this country and deserves appropriate measures.

He has done everything I had hoped he wouldn't, more that I could never have dreamed of, and none of the things I wanted him to when I cast my vote for him. He has made decisions that have worsened the economic depression, kept people like me out of work in the process, pushed through an Unconstitutional personal mandate for me to buy insurance I can not come close to affording, raised my taxes, spent money like there was no tomorrow, thereby creating enormous deficits and encouraging inflation, and amid it all is still asking me for campaign money!

The man has no shame, and no soul.

I simply see the continuance of this fiasco as a tribute to his disgraceful conduct and inane decisions. If it embarrasses him, I support it. If it shames him, I am all for it. If it makes his efforts to govern harder, I am on board with it. My disdain for this man goes far beyond normal political disagreements. I disliked Bush; I wanted Bush out of office. I despise everything about Obama and everything he stands for.

TheRedneck

Originally posted by TheRedneck
Why has he not been able to simply present a Birth Certificate?

He has, but racist birthers refuse to accept it

. He hasn't been able to do the same in three years

Yes he has, why wont you accept it?

Originally posted by TheRedneck
Why has he not been able to simply present a Birth Certificate?

He did. He presented his short form birth certificate in 2008, verified by Hawaiian health authorities, then, when birthers persisted, he presented his long form birth certificate in 2011, again verified by Hawaiian authorities. He is the only president to date whom has presented verified birth certificates to the public, no other president has, McCain, his opponent, did not do so either. It isn't a question of why he didn't present a birth certificate, because evidently he did, twice. It's a question of why birthers have never been satisfied, and I'm fairly certain you and I have different answers to that.

I can get one here, in rural Alabama inside of an hour, certified.

What you can get in rural Alabama within an hour as you say is not the original birth certificate that birthers insisted that Obama should present. Obama did request a birth certificate from the Hawaiian health department in 2008 and they issued him one that every Hawaiian resident receives when they make a request. This wasn't good enough then for birthers, it never has been. You say these eligibility questions are an insult to the office, well they are, but that is the intention of those putting forward those questions.

If he is a legitimate American by birth, he has shown total disregard for the Constitution and thereby broken his vow to uphold and defend such. He has made decisions that have worsened the economic depression, kept people like me out of work in the process, pushed through an Unconstitutional personal mandate for me to buy insurance I can not come close to affording, raised my taxes, spent money like there was no tomorrow, thereby creating enormous deficits and encouraging inflation, and amid it all is still asking me for campaign money!

I see how you are very unhappy with many of Obama's policies, but none of this has to do with whether he is American born or not.

I'll assume that you do not believe in the authenticity of both his birth certificates?

reply to post by spoor

If so, why are there so many people saying he hasn't? There has been controversy over every single time he finally presented any sort of credentials. Why? It seems like such a simple request...

And maybe he has and you're right... I honestly don't care to beat that dead horse anymore. I think I spelled out my feelings quite well above, without including any required concern over his paperwork or his citizenship status. I repeat: it is now a moot point. His actions and inactions speak much louder than any conspiracy theory.

I also resent being called a 'birther'. Feel free to research my posts for the last three years. I have not contributed to that movement.

TheRedneck

reply to post by Southern Guardian

Check my post just above. My feelings toward Obama have nothing to do with his paperwork.

TheRedneck

Originally posted by TheRedneck
If so, why are there so many people saying he hasn't?

Only the raist birthers are sayingit....

There has been controversy over every single time he finally presented any sort of credentials. Why? It seems like such a simple request...

because he is a black man, and the legal POTUS, which some racists hate.

I also resent being called a 'birther'. Feel free to research my posts for the last three years. I have not contributed to that movement.

you are now....

reply to post by TheRedneck


So then I'll assume that you do not question his birth on US soil then? As this is at core the reasoning behind these lawsuits, and the OP.

Originally posted by Chickensalad
It would apear that Obama wont be on the balot in Alabama's primaries. The timing of this is just too perfect. He wont even have time to dispute this from what I get. And it comes just days after the Georgia ruling to deny dismissal.

I do find it kind of funny though, that the southern states are the first to get serious about his eligibility in court.

www.libertynewsonline.com...

An Alabama Court has announced that it will hear arguments as to whether Barack Hussein Obama II is in fact eligible to appear on the State Presidential Primary Ballot.

searched but found nothing. if a double thread please delete.

edit on 8-1-2012 by Chickensalad because: (no reason given)

edit on 8-1-2012 by Chickensalad because: bold title

Let me put all this into an English translator and see what comes out.

"We are scared to death of going up against Obama in an election with the crappy George Bush clones we have and there is no way any GOP can beat him in a fair election so it excites me to see that fair play might not have to happen and we can find a way to win some other way. We cannot actually beat Obama but we can lie and cheat, yes we can."

Oh wow, well that changes things quite a bit. I was under the impression that Obama was a terrible president and was destroying America. So why won't you all just vote him out and someone better in?

Originally posted by Byrd
Actually, this is another "Orly Taitz" type lawsuit. Obama is NOT off the ballot at this time...

I could not help but notice two very important things about this post.

It had a source and links with verifiable facts.
It got a lot less stars than all the posts above it praising the imaginary thing they thought was happening.

Deny Ignorance?

Originally posted by TheRedneck


I also resent being called a 'birther'.

This has always confused me.
What is insulting about the term "birther?"
This really does bother me so your help would be appreciated.

reply to post by Chickensalad

It would apear that Obama wont be on the balot in Alabama's primaries. The timing of this is just too perfect. He wont even have time to dispute this from what I get.

Right from the get go you are assuming so much that your "Obama Derangement Syndrome" is shown to be so strong that you can't even think straight.

First off, Timing Schmiming. IF the challenge was raised within the time frame stipulated by Alabama law, then the Alabama Election Board (or whatever their name is) is legally bound to deal with it in time to print and distribute the ballots.

Second, Timing is not an issue for Obama, only for those raising the challenge. Obama only needs to present his Birth Certificate and an affidavit that says he has been living in the USA for 14 years. The challengers have to somehow convince someone to hear their appeal.

Third, any eligibility challenge will fail and Obama will appear on the ballot, if a ballot is even required (see my fifth point below). Obama is Constitutionally eligible. These challenges are flies on the windscreen.

Fourth, if the outcome is appealed as far as US district court, Alabama and Georgia are in the same district and a Judge will not look kindly on a frivolous appeal essentially the same as the Georgia case that preceded it (depending on which happens first of course).

Fifth, if as others have pointed out, Obama is the only one registered for the primary, there is no reason to hold the election. The Democrats can just pocket the cash they would have paid to the State to manage their primary for them and use it in the General Election.

Finally, even if Obama is somehow kept off the ballot, and someone else did get on, that doesn't mean that that someone would be on the ballot in Alabama for the General Election as someone suggested in this thread. That is silly. The Primary Election is to select delegates to the Party Convention, not to select the candidates on the State General Election ballot. Oh, and Alabama would be the laughingstock of the country to boot.

Update to this story...the case against Obama has been dismissed...no surprise here.

blog.al.com...

A Jefferson County judge this morning dismissed a Birmingham man's lawsuit seeking to keep President Barack Obama off primary ballots March 13 in Alabama.

After a hearing in her Birmingham courtroom, Circuit Judge Helen Shores Lee ruled that the courts have no authority to tell the state political parties who they can include on their primary ballots.

Another source.

www.myfoxal.com...

Judge Helen Shores Lee has dismissed a lawsuit aimed at keeping President Barack Obama off of the ballot in Alabama. Lee dismissed Albert Hendershot, Jr.'s case at a Monday morning hearing.

When will birthers just stop and admit that a black man is indeed President...and he is legit???

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


I expect that this will happen with the other Orly Taitz cases.

I realize that they all believe this strongly (and based on their dismissing the "short form", etc, they'd probably decide I wasn't a citizen if they asked for my birth certificate or my husband's because ours look like Obama's birth certificate. That's just the way they made out birth certificates in this country 50 and 60 years ago.

I don't know if any of you have looked up Orly Taitz on Wikipedia, but I'd swear the woman believes anything put out by conspiracy websites which do no fact checking. It's pretty bad when Fox News calls you "a nut."

On her own website she's pleading for donations to fly "a number of witnesses to Georgia on the 26th."

reply to post by Southern Guardian

You assume correctly.

However, this is not, for me anyway, about a piece of official paper. It is about the fact that Obama filed suit in court against the State of Alabama for doing something about the illegal alien population, which was Obama's job and which Obama refused to perform.

You get that? He filed a lawsuit against my state for trying to enforce law he was required by oath to enforce but refused to do.

A lawsuit.

My President? No, my enemy. By his own actions and intents. Not mine, and not Alabama's.

So when I see a frivolous lawsuit brought against him (he wouldn't get a single electorate vote from Alabama anyway), I am all for it. Bring it on! Drag it out! Maybe, just maybe, he'll lose a few minutes of sleep for his treasonous attitude.

TheRedneck