Antiseptics- whats your choice?

In 1850 the life expectancy at birth in the US was 38 years of age.

By 1919 coincidentally the year that Mercurochrome came on the shelves (no I don't own shares in the company) it had increased to 56 years.

Due to better hygiene and better antiseptics and the idea that if you don't clean up the slums, you will get the plague or at least a flu pandemic.

So then since 1919 nothing much changed until about 1945 when penicillin was mass produced.

You gained 10 years at that point but still not the dramatic increase that you might expect from going from no anti-biotics to having some.

1931 59 years
1941 life expectancy was 63 years
and then by 1949 with penicillin life expectancy was 66 years.

For white males. For women you can add 4 years across the board.

If you lived to 10 years of age, if you made it that far, then add another 10 to your life expectancy because of the infant mortality rate.

So Sulfa drugs, came in as anti-bacterial anti-biotics around 1910. And it was effective against most types of infection.

But really the most dramatic increase of life expectancy came from the recognition that hygiene plays a part in the control of disease.
So although they had the idea that it was microbes going back to 1540 or so, it wasn't until 1890 that Koch created a series of tests to identify germs as they relate to disease. Part of the germ theory of disease.

But then it wasn't until after the flu pandemic that people realized that contagion, close quarters, and hygiene and such things as the lowest common denominator that being a person living in the slums of New York, could infect a rich person living in wherever it was then, the Upper East Side Park Avenue lets say just by breathing the same air or getting sneezed on outside the millionaires club.

So it was probably the increased awareness that you need to treat infection, with something and kill the bacteria that increased the life expectancy the most.

Hydrogen peroxide
Used as a 6% (20 Vols) solution to clean and deodorize wounds and ulcers. More common 3% solutions of hydrogen peroxide have been used in household first aid for scrapes, etc. However, even this less potent form is no longer recommended for typical wound care as the strong oxidization causes scar formation and increases healing time.

So although the active ingredient in honey is Hydrogen Peroxide...

Manuka Honey
Recognized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a medical device for use in wounds and burns. Active +15 is equal to a 15% solution of phenol.

Phenol (carbolic acid) compounds
Phenol is germicidal in strong solution, inhibitory in weaker ones. Used as a "scrub" for pre-operative hand cleansing. Used in the form of a powder as an antiseptic baby powder, where it is dusted onto the navel as it heals. Also used in mouthwashes and throat lozenges, where it has a painkilling effect as well as an antiseptic one. Example: TCP. Other phenolic antiseptics include historically important, but today rarely used (sometimes in dental surgery) thymol, today obsolete hexachlorophene, still used triclosan and sodium 3,5-dibromo-4-hydroxybenzenesulfonate (Dibromol).

Now everywhere you look including Wikipedia they say that Mercurochrome contains mercury so it is no longer used and it was never proven to be effective.
Well, ask the people who are all over the net in forums asking for it. Yeah its effective, too effective, and doctors need money. Why else would everyone be looking for a product never proven to be effective?
Cause they're stupit? No, because they know from experience it works like a hot damn.
But of course to each its own, I am not selling it.

But I think that using sunlight anti-bacterial dish soap, as your cleanser is probably a really really good idea.
You can even dilute it and it is still highly effective. Use it for hand washing in the bathroom, and the kitchen and even cleaning dishes and surfaces and yes even in the shower. That way you are fighting bacteria all the time in your environment. Thats what I think.

Manuka Honey should not be confused with your garden variety honey.

Manuka honey is a monofloral honey made by bees in New Zealand that frequent the manuka bush, Leptospermum scoparium. Only ten percent of all Manuka Honey is claimed to have antibacterial properties because of its non-hydrogen peroxide antibacterial content, which is known as NPA (Non-Peroxide Activity) Manuka honey. Another popular bio activity testing method is MGO, which focuses on the Methylglyoxal content of the honey. MGO is found in high concentrations in Manuka honey and, according to German researcher Professor Thomas Henle, is the antiseptic compound mostly responsible for NPA.

So because bees visit the Manuka bush, they end up with honey that is anti-septic.

Garden variety honey has hydrogen peroxide in it, and if it won't keep raw meat from spoiling, how could it protect you from getting infection?

If honey worked, then all through the ages people would have stored raw meat in honey. But they packed it in salt. And I mean packed it. Covered completely in salt. Like more salt than meat in the barrel. And pounded down to remove all air.

So then with Sunlight anti-bacteria dish soap, the active ingredients are sulfonate. The same as sulfa drugs, except it is harmful if swallowed and has to be used according to directions. So its a strong anti-bacterial cleanser, that is safe for household use, but you shouldn't overdo its use. Even watering it down, is probably not a bad idea. Some people may be sensitive to it and may opt for more organic cleansers, but it is strong safe and effective if you do not drink it or get it full strength in your eyes.
There is always a trade off of slight danger versus effectiveness because human biology is not that different from bacterial biology. Living cells.
There are commercial products recommended for restaurants to clean surfaces etc, whereas they used to use chlorine bleach, but chlorine residue is unhealthy.
In the military they use carbolic soap in their showers. At least in Canada they did I don't know if they still do.
Even it can be a skin irritant.
www.wisegeek.com...

Thats why I just opt for the sunlight anti-bacterial and have for years. Its safe enough for household use for dishes which means even the residue from dishes hasn't hurt anyone and would not be permitted to be sold if it did.
One thing you don't want to do with sunlight anti-bacterial soap is mix it with anything.
But they also make an anti-bacterial hand soap and according to their datasheet, it is the same ingredients as the dish soap.

I don't like bees. Bees are annoying. Bees and spiders, squish first ask questions later.

Originally posted by Rocketman7
All the honey will be radioactive, 'honey'.

But you probably have a couple gallons stored away for everything. Right beside the 50 pound sack of camomile tea.

Its not that I don't believe you, its just that honey has been around since time began, and people still died in droves all the time from everything.
Won't it attract bees?

Honey - a proven, powerful antiseptic/anti-biotic. Honey has been employed to treat wounds in Diabetic patients where nothing else works. It's also been used to treat so-called "super bug" bacterial infections with great success.

Honey as a topical anti-biotic.

But if the Honey is irradiated, more than likely, you are too!

Rabbit tobacco(backer in these parts): Chew it and spit on wound or soak in water and pour on wound. I prefer to chew it my self.

Originally posted by GoldenRuled
Raw non-heat treated honey. Burns like methialade, but will kill any infection. You can put it on any wound regardless of severity. Again, it burns unlike any pain most have felt.

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Active Manuka Honey

For skin or wound infections: Water, bleach 0.4%, boric acid 4% - AKA Dakin's solution.

en.wikipedia.org...

It was used during the (American) civil war and still in use today.

Fire
2nd line.

Old geezer here, too, also 56.

Colloidal silver is our antiseptic/antibacterial of choice. It is safe and effective for treating wounds and can also be taken internally in small amounts.

Second choice is organic apple cider vinegar. Easy to make, though it takes some time, and the "mother of vinegar" mass that forms on it is also a great antibacterial agent.

Originally posted by shushu

Originally posted by GoldenRuled
Raw non-heat treated honey. Burns like methialade, but will kill any infection. You can put it on any wound regardless of severity. Again, it burns unlike any pain most have felt.

edit on 5-1-2012 by GoldenRuled because: (no reason given)

Active Manuka Honey

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As is always the case, after you order something that has a very expensive delivery charge, you decide you wanted smething else too. I could have bought some from Australia when I bought that mercurochrome, but found out about manuka honey the next day. Now I am too cheap to order more stuff. I should have at least bought 2 bottles of Mercurochrome since the delivery charge is so high but I didn't.
I think I am going to buy a gallon of honey though for my food stores since you can use it as a sweetener and who knows what else.
Whats a gallon of Manuka honey worth? Couple thousand bucks?

reply to post by Rocketman7


At that price, I certainly wouldn't be eating it if I had it in my Emergency First Aid Arsenal... which I don't yet. Though in some cases it does indeed have internal uses. Do your research thoroughly before buying this product.

There's another Aussie product you might want to consider ALSO if and when you do ever order yourself some Active Manuka Honey... and that would be some anhydrous pharmaceutical grade LANOLIN. Then there's RAW USDA organic (hexane-free) extra virgin coconut oil... and another person mentioned COLLOIDAL SILVER. Be careful when purchasing colloidal silver. More ppm (parts per million) doesn't make it better. Research colloidal silver thoroughly before you buy this product also... because you can do yourself more harm than good if improperly used. 10 ppm seems to be adequate. Research research research, people.

Active Manuka Honey...
Colloidal Silver...

Originally posted by shushu
reply to post by Rocketman7

 

At that price, I certainly wouldn't be eating it if I had it in my Emergency First Aid Arsenal... which I don't yet. Though in some cases it does indeed have internal uses. Do your research thoroughly before buying this product.

There's another Aussie product you might want to consider ALSO if and when you do ever order yourself some Active Manuka Honey... and that would be some anhydrous pharmaceutical grade LANOLIN. Then there's RAW USDA organic (hexane-free) extra virgin coconut oil... and another person mentioned COLLOIDAL SILVER. Be careful when purchasing colloidal silver. More ppm (parts per million) doesn't make it better. Research colloidal silver thoroughly before you buy this product also... because you can do yourself more harm than good if improperly used. 10 ppm seems to be adequate. Research research research, people.

Active Manuka Honey...
Colloidal Silver...

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I don't want to turn into a smurf so I don't use colloidal silver but I probably will get some Manuka honey you know why?

It claims to cure strep throat. And if it can cure strep throat, it can prevent scarlet fever, one of the leading causes of death, before anti-biotics.

So from the same Aussie pharmacy where I bought my mercurochrome, its about 50 bucks, 500 grams, and I think 15 again for shipping but one of the real dangers when TSHTF will be strep throat. If you don't have anti-biotics, its a killer.

reply to post by Rocketman7


Your health food store should have active manuka honey on the shelf. Mine does. No need to pay for expensive shipping if it can be purchased locally. That is of course... if you're not looking for something more specific than what's available locally.

I don't want to turn into a smurf so I don't use colloidal silver but I probably will get some Manuka honey you know why?

Silver Colloids...

That's why I mentiontioned 10ppm. Micron size is also important. That way it is easily flushed out of your system and you avoid a case of the blues... agryria. So says the research.

pdf booklet...

Originally posted by NazcaP
Old geezer here, too, also 56.

Colloidal silver is our antiseptic/antibacterial of choice. It is safe and effective for treating wounds and can also be taken internally in small amounts.

That's my choice too.

It was introduced to me by someone who claimed it cured him of terminal cancer too, but who knows...

Well I just spent a hundred dollars on-line on a 500 gr jar of Manuka Honey.
And its all your fault people.

$30.00 of that was shipping.

But I will tell you why I bought it. If ever the antibiotics are no longer working because of resistant strains of bacteria.
And that does happen today all over the world people are dying in hospitals, but if it became widespread, it will be too late to buy Manuka honey at that point.

For instance for strep throat, which is a deadly disease if you don't have anti-biotics, it will turn into scarlet fever, which was a leading cause of death, prior to anti-biotics. Its caused by the excretions of the bacteria.

So any time you have a bacterial infection, even a bad toothache, those bacteria will poison your blood.

WIthout anti-biotics you need a good strong anti-bacterial agent, and Manuka honey, +20 is a very strong antibacterial agent for therapeutic use.

SO I bought the UMF +20 (Unique Manuka Factor) from a pharamcy in Australia, from a reputable company, that tests the honey according to the standard approved test.

ITs not cheap. But since +10 is adequate for anti-bacterial uses like wounds, or even minor sore throat, with +20, you could put some in a tea, or other drink, and keep in your mouth and kill the bacterial infection.

To kill it in your nose, you merely make a spray of some kind. So 1 pound of honey, thats not much.
You don't want to put it on toast, you want to use it as medicine at that price.
But you could cure other people with it too, if you wanted to save some child's life, when there are no anti-biotics.
Honey lasts forever without refridgeration as well.

SO you sold me on it people and thankyou because I do get strep throat now and again, and its a very common ailment.

If TSHTF and you are searching for anti-biotics, don't forget they sell anti-biotics like penicillin in pet food stores too.

This is the Manuka Honey I bought

ATS a good place to get valuable information as usual.

I just ordered some from Australia. It cost me 3 times what it is worth for the delivery. The stuff was 4.99 and the delivery was 15 bucks, so total was about 23 bucks Canadian, but what price a limb?

I will give you the link because it is not a controlled substance. Some compounding pharmacies in the US still sell it and many doctors reccommend it still after surgery.

If I got bit by a zombie, I would reach for the Mercurochrome

Mercurochrome is the only thing I used growing up. Thank you so much for the link!

Saliva ,your own or from a dog

Diluted garlic juice. Aloe vera, baking soda, tea tree oil.

The only time I can remember having an infection, was when I was trying to treat a weird little lump on my leg. I crushed a garlic clove, and taped it to my leg and went to bed.
I didn't know at that time, to dilute, and to only put it on for a short time. I gave myself a second degree burn from the garlic juice.

Because the juice had soaked into my skin so deep, it burned in really deep, and spent the next 3 months treating the burn with pure aloe vera.

I have learned my lesson with straight garlic juice, and am passing this on so that no one else burns themselves. I googled "garlic juice burns" afterwards, and didn't feel so stupid when I found out other places that people had put it.

Originally posted by snowspirit
Diluted garlic juice. Aloe vera, baking soda, tea tree oil.

The only time I can remember having an infection, was when I was trying to treat a weird little lump on my leg. I crushed a garlic clove, and taped it to my leg and went to bed.
I didn't know at that time, to dilute, and to only put it on for a short time. I gave myself a second degree burn from the garlic juice.

Because the juice had soaked into my skin so deep, it burned in really deep, and spent the next 3 months treating the burn with pure aloe vera.

I have learned my lesson with straight garlic juice, and am passing this on so that no one else burns themselves. I googled "garlic juice burns" afterwards, and didn't feel so stupid when I found out other places that people had put it.

A girl I know had a cut on her leg, and put garlic on it, and got a really bad infection.

And when that happened, well, I wasn't the only one, who thought that maybe she was taking this whole holistic thing a bit too far.
Basically we thought she was nuts for doing that when there are so many other proper medical solutions to a cut. Put food on it, yeah thats a good idea. What was she thinking?

SO I tried my Manuka honey today! I had a bit of a sore throat, and so I took a clean plastic straw, and dipped it into my Manuka honey jar, and swabbed my tonsil, on the side it hurt, and then swooshed the honey around in my mouth, and kept it in my mouth as long as I could, maybe 15 minutes. (yum) and just that tiny bit, a little glob on a straw, cured my sore throat. I bought the 20+ so its really effective at killing germs.
I am so happy I bought it now, even though it cost 100 bucks after shipping.
I got it from that pharmacy in Australia. Took about 10 days maybe to get here but now that I have it, I am so happy. Since it is really hard to find a safe natural anti-biotic that actually works.
Its topical though, as opposed to swallowing penicillin. So it only works when you put it on things.

Originally posted by FissionSurplus
Mercurochome would be a good one. I would probably use colloidal silver and olive leaf extract. For an internal antibiotic I would use Samento (a derivative of cat's claw, very potent).

Honey and cinnamon together are also very good for putting on wounds. Honey is a natural antibacterial and the cinnamon adds extra kick.

Let us not forget the old stand-bys, hydrogen peroxide and isopropyl alcohol.

peroxide actually does more harm than good since it destroys the flesh it comes in contact with, along with the bacteria. iodine or betadine would be a good choice.