2012 End of World?

I tried to find out more about the ancient Egyptian calendar ending on 21/12/2012, but it is not easy to find. The ancient Greeks pointed to that date as the end of the Suntalia Aion, but I don't know where they got this information. The Mayan date is day one of the next Baktun, and I find it curious that the time of the winter solstice of 2012 is 11:11AM.

The Orion Prophecy" by Patrick Geryl and Gino Ratinckx

I have this book and am currently reading it. Very, very interesting! I am about 1/4 of the way through, so far for me the most fascinating thing isn't the past, but when the author answers the question of what it will be like to be on earth on that day...

I will write a review when I am done with the book, however that will be a while since I am always reading about 5 different nonfiction books at once, reading being my favorite pastime.

I love reading non-fiction too, and went 8 yrs. without tv by choice, giving me lots of time to read. I read about 1 novel a year, but I do like the ones I do read. Reading is thinking with someone else's brain, I heard. It has always been a useful hobby for me, taught me so much, and entertained me too. The internet is now one of my sources of material, and I love it.

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I tried to find out more about the ancient Egyptian calendar ending on 21/12/2012, but it is not easy to find. The ancient Greeks pointed to that date as the end of the Suntalia Aion, but I don't know where they got this information. The Mayan date is day one of the next Baktun, and I find it curious that the time of the winter solstice of 2012 is 11:11AM.

Blackguard,
I would very much like to see any reference you may have regarding the Greek Suntelia Aion coinciding with the end date of the Mayan Calendar. I do not believe any such correlation exists.

By the way, "Suntelia Aion" is Greek for "The End of the Age." So when you say "...the end of the Suntelia Aion..." what you are saying is "the end of the end of the age..." Please stop saying this before I bust a gut.

Harte

but if you think about it all civilizations have had a thought or perspective of when the world ends, so what makes the mayans stick out so much more. The world was supposed to end in all of the following years, 44,53,80,100,130,200,381,400,435,470,500,950,964,965,968,969,979,983,987,989,1000,1003,1004,1005,1006,1010,1011,1012,1014,1018,1022,1024,1025,1026,102 8,1029,1030,1031,1033,1114,1135,1186,1415,1420,1524,1533,1534,1572,1621,1650,1656,1666,1715,1809,1814,1836,1843,1844,1859,1874,1881,1910,1914,1918,192 0,1925,1953,1957,1960,1967,1970,1973,1975,1977,1979,1981,1982,1984,1986,1987,1988,1989,1990,1991,1992,1993,1994,19951996,1997,1998,1999,2000,2001,and 2004. (quoted from www.bible.ca...) so all these people thought the world was supposed to end in those years so what makes the mayans stand out more, why do we belive the mayans are the smartes and most correct group of people? I know i only made another question trying to answer the questions about when teh world will end but its the only way i could gt the point across.

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
The ancient Greeks pointed to that date as the end of the Suntalia Aion. The Mayan date is day one of the next Baktun, and I find it curious that the time of the winter solstice of 2012 is 11:11AM.

Blackguard,
I would very much like to see any reference you may have regarding the Greek Suntelia Aion coinciding with the end date of the Mayan Calendar. I do not believe any such correlation exists.

By the way, "Suntelia Aion" is Greek for "The End of the Age." So when you say "...the end of the Suntelia Aion..." Please stop saying this before I bust a gut.

Harte

This is one place referring to it, half way down the page. I've seen others.

www.crystalinks.com...

Originally posted by j619pinoy
Aside from my belief that Atlantis had to have been in S.America...has anyone heard of the Mayan calendar? I hear it shows the ending of the world in 2012.

I believe that atlantis was in the east of egypt
in the far east. why ? the three whise man from the bible came from the east

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
The ancient Greeks pointed to that date as the end of the Suntalia Aion. The Mayan date is day one of the next Baktun, and I find it curious that the time of the winter solstice of 2012 is 11:11AM.

Blackguard,
I would very much like to see any reference you may have regarding the Greek Suntelia Aion coinciding with the end date of the Mayan Calendar. I do not believe any such correlation exists.

By the way, "Suntelia Aion" is Greek for "The End of the Age." So when you say "...the end of the Suntelia Aion..." Please stop saying this before I bust a gut.

Harte

This is one place referring to it, half way down the page. I've seen others.

www.crystalinks.com...

Yeah, I've been to that page before. Here's the pertinent part:

Ouroboros is an ancient alchemy symbol depicting a snake or dragon [DNA] swallowing its own tail, constantly creating itself and forming a circle...

...The Milky Way Galaxy is the inspiration for the symbol of the Ouroboros. Myth refers to a serpent of light residing in the heavens. The Milky Way is this serpent, and viewed at galactic central point near Sagittarius, this serpent eats its own tail. The Milky Way galaxy keeps a great time cycle that ends in catastrophic change. The sign of the Suntelia Aion is the sun rising out of the mouth of the ouroboros, which will occur on the solstice December 2012 - which links with the Mayan Calendar as a symbolic date for the clse our our reality - virtual reality program - Quetzalcoatl - and escalating Earth changes in the Ring of Fire.

The Greeks called this End of the Age the Suntelia Aion. Ancient historians and especially Plato referred to a cycle of catastrophe at the End of the Age. The AION was symbolized by the Ouroboros.

(My boded emphases)

I bolded the portions I wish to address. The author of that page merely throws these statements out there without any reference whatsoever. The first statement implies that the Milky Way is the inspiration for the Ouroboros. What basis do we have for this statement?

Second, the author apparently manufactures a "sign" for a Greek phrase that as far as I can tell the Greeks associated no "sign" with and that appears, as far as I can find, primarily in the New Testament, when the disciples ask Jesus about the "end times." That book of the NT was originally written in Greek (or at least the oldest copy from which the story comes was in Greek.) Hence the term "Suntelia Aion" for what we translate as the "end times" or "last days." In other words, this is just a Greek phrase that, to the Greeks, took on no special relevance at all, beyond the obvious implication that ages end. Similar to our use of the term "Last days."

Third, the author is being slick in the part about Plato. Notice how he says "the Greeks called this End of the Age the Suntelia Aion." Might as well say "The Mexicans called this City of Angels Los Angeles." He then goes on to sneakily try to imply that using the term Suntelia Aion as he has associated it with the ouroboros symbol originated with Plato, and apparently Plato used that symbology throughout his works. But Plato did no such thing. Sure, Plato talked about ends of ages, and he was Greek. We have to give him a break if he used the term Suntelia Aion (if indeed he did) don't we? I mean, he was Greek, he was talking about ages ending, right? What does that have to do with the Mayans? Plato made no connection between 2012 and the end of an age, neither does the Bible.

I was hoping for some real references. The author of the page you linked to is pretty much wigged out. I mean, read this part that comes next, after what I quoted above:

The galactic center of the galaxy is 26 degrees 54 minutes Sagittarius. It approaches 27 degrees 0 minutes in the year 2010. In the year 2012 the galactic center is 27 degrees and 1 minute.
27+1=10=1+0=1 = New Beginnings

The author's use of that numerological method would be hilarious if I didn't know that right now there are millions of people that would read that and nod their heads in what they think, in their mind's eye, is a wise and worldly manner. Nary a one of these people would stop for even a second to consider that the co-ordinate system of degrees seconds and minutes originated a thousand years after Plato, and hundreds of years after the Mayans, and is completely arbitrary as to the "origin" (or zero) line from which these co-ordinates begin counting.

27+1=10=1+0=1=New Beginnings (of stupidity and ignorance.)

Please tell me you've got some other reference for any correlation between the Greek phrase "Suntelia Aion" and the end of the Mayan calendar. And, I'm sure you're aware, the page you referred me to has been copied and pasted all over the internet. Do you know of any sites that contain any actual information regarding this correlation? I mean things like quotes from Plato, Greek references to the Milky Way as Ouroboros, etc. I am about as doubtful as can be that you do, but since you did at least try to answer my last post, I hold out hope that perhaps you might have some such reference for me

Harte

end of the world in 2012? god lets hope so

god cant help you just kiss your ass god bye.. or we can play along an pritend we stil belive they are gods :S

I posted this also on another thread- but I think it should be included here:

Look up Terence and Dennis McKenna,
and their book:

TIMEWAVE ZERO

There, they use mathematics to make graph model of the Mayan prediction...

It, basically, confirms the prophecy in an ingenious way...
by translating historical events (novelty) into values on a graph along a xy axis timeline...

Absolutely fascinating...

Check it out.

TPM

Originally posted by j619pinoy
Aside from my belief that Atlantis had to have been in S.America...has anyone heard of the Mayan calendar? I hear it shows the ending of the world in 2012.

will ya stop talking like that your making everyone either paranoid or depressed its makin everyon elses life terrible

Well in July 1969 Zager and Evans had a hit with "In the Year 2525" so I'm thiking the world doesn't end in 2012.

Maybe the Mayans were on drugs, Lots of Psychedelics in the Jungle.

I mean, lick a few toads and you'll see everything form Lizard Men to Lollypops

no calander show the world end. they sey the world was going under i year 2000. and in 9/9 1999 09:09pm or am and manny more

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I tried to find out more about the ancient Egyptian calendar ending on 21/12/2012, but it is not easy to find.

You're correct -- that information isn't available. The reason that it's not available is that the person talking about ancient Egyptians and 2012 didn't have a clue about how the ancients dated things.

The ancient Egyptians did not have long-term dates. They dated things by the year of the reign of the Pharoah. When a Pharoah died, they started all over... so it was "year 15 of the reign of Pharoah Djoser" and "year 2 of the reign of Ramses II."

When the Romans took over Egypt (Julius Caesar) they converted from the pharoah-cycle to the Roman calendar and the Romans used their "number of days in the year" calculation because the Egyptian yearly calendar was more accurate than the Roman (lunar based) calendar.
www.egypt-tehuti.org...

Here's a date converter:
aegyptologie.online-resourcen.de...

The ancient Greeks pointed to that date as the end of the Suntalia Aion, but I don't know where they got this information.

Harte's right -- the ancient Greeks have no idea where this "date" came from, since their prophecies also did not involve huge calendrical cycles. The Greeks (after a lot of confusion) settled on a 19 year cycle, though some used calendars based on the Olympics:
www.polysyllabic.com...

The two civilizations that had cosmic cyclical calendars were the Hindus and some of the South American civilizations.

Here's an excellent page on all sorts of ancient calendars:
www.polysyllabic.com...

Originally posted by Mindsmog
end of the world in 2012? god lets hope so

I hear ya. The present state of most of the systems on earth could be better. Maybe humanity can turn it around.... anything in possible.
The end of this civilization, or this era, or the end of humanity, or even life as we know it, I can picture that, but the end of the world is hard to grasp. Where would it go? Would earth be smashed to bits? I haven't heard a good definition of that phrase, despite how common it has become. Maybe if I heard a good definition of it I'd have a better idea what everyone who uses it means.
Someday, no doubt, the earth will be no more. I am pretty sure of that, I just doubt that it will be any time soon.

yall dont care much about nothing there are diseases of the worst kind some are flesh eating there are wars killing everyone in every country there are cerial killers in every state and alls you people can think about is some stupid prophecy about some stupid thing thats gonna happen 6 years from now!!! am i worried about the end of the world??? of course i am who isnt? but i dont linger on the thought of my death. its 6 years from now anything could happen between then. again i say STOP THINKING ABOUT WHEN YOU DIE!!! when you die you die and nobody knows anything after that nobody knows when the earth ends they arent supposed to. we have guessed when it will end and we probably always will. i say to you all "death is inevitable so stop worring about it" everyone says "oh my god the worlds gonna end next year" and does it ??? no!!!

so...
STOP WORRYING ABOUT DEATH AND LIVE OUT YOUR LIVES FOR THE LOVE OF PETE STOP BEING SO DANG PARANOID ABOUT THE INEVITABLE YOU MIGHT DRIVE PEOPLE TO MADNESS MAKE THEM DEPRESSED OR JUST ANNOY THE HECK OUT OF PEOPLE WITH YOUR STUPID PROPHECYSWHEN YOU DIE YOU DIE GET OVER IT!!!

Artemis, there are more to proper grammar than ., ! and ? -It is called commas. It is the key on your keyboard next to the.

Artemis, I think that the flesh eating diseases and wars are part of it... the prophecy says it will end, but not in what way... isn't it possible that one of these things will lead to our own destruction? There are lots of ways we could go and I doubt that it'll be split second "poof, no more earth" sort of thing. What do you all think the method of death could/will be?