Ron Paul Vindicated on Iran (Unfortunately)

Originally posted by apodictic
reply to post by CaptChaos

 

How many bong hits did that one take?

Obviously a few less than you took, if you don't get it. Do I need to explain it for ya?

The 98 lb weakling is Iran. The crazed squatter next door is Israel. The weapons dealer across the street is the US. The Neighborhood Watch is the UN.

That make it clear enough for ya?

reply to post by CaptChaos


Oh no, I understood perfectly. It's just funny you chose to use a completely retardedly unrealistic metaphoric story...the only difference is a nuclear holocaust isn't a possible outcome like it is here in *REAL LIFE*

I gave ya a star for the laugh though.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by MrWendal

 

Ron Pauls ideas are "dangerous"....what's dangerous is going to war over delusions that Iran is going to nuke us because they're trying to develop some energy. What's dangerous is not following the Constitution, and passing Orwellian legislation like the NDAA, Patriot Act, and having TSA checkpoints, all of which violate the Constitution. What's dangerous is allowing drug cartels to continue to rake in billions each year. What's dangerous is letting a central bank operate in total secrecy, and manipulate our currency from behind the scenes.

Following the Constitution and using common sense? That's only dangerous if you're brainwashed into believing whatever propaganda the TV tells you.

Your preaching to the choir. I do not think his ideas are dangerous, that is what they say in the MSM every chance they can get some idiot to do so. Other Candidates say it is dangerous. I think to most of us, the common people who do not profit from war, it is common sense.

Originally posted by alonzo730
You got me now. Ron Paul is an idiot. He's not a general, never was. I was. I don't talk too much. I don't write well. I was a general once. Some of the things he says I can agree with, but for the most part he's a buffoon. He' just some thing to distract a third of the people. He's succeeding. Ron Paul doesn't have a chance. If he could get some military people to come up alongside him, maybe he'd do better. I clean a local American Legion, it's one of my side jobs.

edit on 5-1-2012 by alonzo730 because: forgot something

so was i lol, general full of #

you don't have to be an expert on iran or warfare to know that sending armed battleships and aircraft carriers a few miles out of your territorial waters and constantly being threatened by its leaders of military action and airstrikes is an inch short of an act of war.

conflicts throughout history have been fought with much less provocation.

since it's so blatant obvious, the only conclusion you can draw is that the axis of idiots, u.s.a, u.k. and israel are trying to start a war but have no legal or justifiable grounds to do so.

so they'll keep baiting iran, meanwhile iran is happily on it's way to nuke town.

reply to post by MrWendal


Were basically begging Iran to attack us with these sanctions. Anyone who thinks its for to stop them from doing something is completely ignorant. Sanctions accomplish nothing they only make the situation worse.

Of course his ideas are correct.

Take a look at the predictions he's made over the years. Most of them have come true.

The man is as smart as they come.

But no, we can't have anyone with a brain and a willingness to help people in office.

Can't...change..too...scarred...unknown...scares...me...must..not..vote..paull..media ..telling.. me... no...noo...noo..IRan...bad..kill..muslims...warrrr..warr..WARRRR... M...miii...miiittt..MITTT...MITTT....MITT ROM...MIT ROOMMMNEE..MITT ROMNEY....Yes...yessss...YES WE CAN.

not.

Originally posted by alonzo730
If he could get some military people to come up alongside him, maybe he'd do better. I clean a local American Legion, it's one of my side jobs.

edit on 5-1-2012 by alonzo730 because: forgot something

You know Ron Paul has more support from soldiers than all the other candidates combined right?



wow..

Its pretty obvious that anyone with the least amount of human decency will try to see the others point of view in any dispute.....
RP seems to be the only voice in politics that even mentions this basic tenet.....
What kind of idiot nazis run US politics if they cant even do that?

reply to post by synnergy


A career congressman isn't in the know?

reply to post by MrWendal


Hes the only prez candidate that understands what is going to help us in the long run. Most of the rest of politicians act under the control of agendas and influences that make satan lopk lime barney
..

reply to post by alonzo730

You got me now. Ron Paul is an idiot. He's not a general, never was. I was. I don't talk too much. I don't write well. I was a general once. Some of the things he says I can agree with, but for the most part he's a buffoon. He' just some thing to distract a third of the people. He's succeeding. Ron Paul doesn't have a chance. If he could get some military people to come up alongside him, maybe he'd do better. I clean a local American Legion, it's one of my side jobs.

You were a General once? And yet do not know to capitalize General. I call BS! Anyone who believes we are the good guys on the planet is completely uninformed in the areas of current events and history. It is all there to see/read, so before all the GI Joes get their righteous indignation out, take a peek first. It's all in black and white!

Go Ron Paul!

BTW I was a Field Marshall once. Then my Mom made me come in the house because it was getting dark out. Mom's just don't understand military leadership.

Originally posted by alonzo730
You got me now. Ron Paul is an idiot. He's not a general, never was. I was. I don't talk too much. I don't write well. I was a general once. Some of the things he says I can agree with, but for the most part he's a buffoon. He' just some thing to distract a third of the people. He's succeeding. Ron Paul doesn't have a chance. If he could get some military people to come up alongside him, maybe he'd do better. I clean a local American Legion, it's one of my side jobs.

edit on 5-1-2012 by alonzo730 because: forgot something

I think many people are tired of military leaders and their idea of how the world should be run.

I think a lot of people are really really tired of no one listening to the average guy who has to live in this and the other countries of the world and make a life, day by day.

Mean while military and political leaders scheme and plan and make stupid decision based on what will give them the most power and money!

Originally posted by sweetnlow
Ron Paul is the only hope for this world, because no other rational intelligence exists, Iran was only ever puffing up because the united states has been pushing israel to start WW3 so the Zionists can make their bibble come true.
I see it, Ron Paul sees it. And ATS will hurt me if i say what i really want to say to you

edit on 5-1-2012 by sweetnlow because: (no reason given)

If RP is in office he will have his hands tied and he will find he can do nothing! When are the people going to stop putting sick idiots into Congress and the House? Or do they get there in some underhanded way and it just looks like the people put them there. I just hate to think people;e continue to vote these people into office, I would rather think they steel it somehow.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

Why cant' it be avoided by Iran looking at how the situation looks from the USA and Europe??

Why should they? Sympathy for the big guy? Sympathy for the oppressors? Sympathy for the thief? Sympathy for the invader? Sympathy for the occupation nation? (sure didn't mean for the last one to rhyme!) Not sure what you think their motivation should be here? I don't see that they should have any motivation to do so at all.

Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by MrWendal

 

This link (about system justification) backs up some of the assertions in the OPs linked article:
www.psychologicalscience.o rg ...

Namely that, by threatening Iran, we're actually emboldening them to be strong and defeat any internal dissent. It encourages them to defend themselves. The article I linked actually gave Operation Iraqi Freedom as an example when it compares how 9/11 emboldened americans and strengthened their resolve to unite in defense of the country (the system). The danger of this is that the Iranian hardliners could use these sanctions and the (supposedly incoming?) oil embargo to support their anti-israel and war-friendly plans. So it could all explode in our faces.

The problem is that appeasement, generally, doesn't work. So what do we do? Justice has to have a bite. Iran can't just build nuclear weapons and at the same time declare that Israel must be wiped off the map. Nor can they fight a proxy war in Iraq against the US. Nor they can they fight a proxy war via Hamas/Hezbollah against Israel. Iran must join the international community on friendly terms. Otherwise, they will be bitten. Sadly, we might not be able to prevent this war because of the information given by the OP and clarified further in the linked article I posted.

Here's how it works folks:
1) We impose sanctions and cause Iran to unite and ignite a war in defiance. Result: War.
2) We do nothing and sit back until Iran builds nukes and attacks Israel. Result: War.

We have seen no indication of the 3rd option:
1) Iran stops building nukes, stops fighting proxy wars against Israel and the west, stops supporting organizations that have performed terrorism, and joins the international community.

We're forced to impose sanctions, basically. We cannot escape war.

Both cases result in war. Get it? It seems to be this whole issue is being distorted by Ron Paul. Mark my word, if we had not imposed sanctions and allowed Iran to continue its plans then Ron Paul would be saying we should sanction Iran, otherwise war will break out! He'd turn all of this around to claim the administration is wrong! He's right! Ron Paul is about Ron Paul.

edit on 5-1-2012 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)

We have all seen how your third option works! Saddam did everything he was asked to do, he had no weapons of mass destruction he sent truck loads of paperwork as asked for, he was not a threat and he was a better leader then any they ever had there before, he was an ally to the west and look where he is now.