On Alien Politics and Earthly Matters

Hello members of the ATS community.

This thread requires a willingness to accept the existence of aliens (and potentially, multiple species thereof), but that's not my goal to obtain. This is simply a thought, I've no evidence or otherwise behind this; Of course, how could I?
I'm wondering what you guys (and gals) think about the possibility of an alien communion in regards to our presence on this planet. Is there some sort of political relationship, or debate between the species (or even intra-specie, etc) to either wipe us off the face of the earth, or exploit us to take advantage of what resources we have that is of use to alien superiors? Or, the other side of the coin, to nurture, and guide us through to higher-sentience.

I look forward to your thoughts and conjecture on the topic. Discuss.

And my apologies in advance if a thread like this exists, or this idea was discussed in detail in another thread. I seemingly missed it with my inferior searching skills.

reply to post by Etheraeon
Good question though .

If we are not willing to accept another life form out there , then why are we going into space ? Giving ones self up for a symbiotic relationship perhaps would scare the crp out of people that were not accustomed to getting past the idea of a possible loss of identity .

Originally posted by Etheraeon
Is there some sort of political relationship, or debate between the species (or even intra-specie, etc) to either wipe us off the face of the earth, or exploit us to take advantage of what resources we have that is of use to alien superiors?

Youd think if aliens were so smart they woudnt need politics. Were only still here because a) they created us b) they havent decided what to do with us yet.

I tend to subscribe to the belief that the aliens played some role in our creation. It just seems to me we've been in a state of constant limbo for the past tens of thousands of years where 'they' don't seem to know how to move forward. There must be some sort of dialogue or debate pertaining to us going on. They were evidently known to us way back when, and now we don't know whether they're truly out there or not.

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Start of with what sort of alien were you hoping to have been discovered and would you be let down if it wasn't what you were looking for . Would it make it any less of an alien ?

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From the bits and pieces of snips from every corner of the tinfoil hat wearing part of the internet, either:

1. WE are the resource to be exploited, used, abducted, probed, cloned, bred, engineered, and/or controlled.

or

2. We live in some care bear universe of light and hippie multi dimensional feel-good one-ness, but, we're not evolved enough to be allowed to even know that there's a grown ups table to sit at yet, with exception of a few 'chosen' ones on the planet that are allowed to know, who are selected on the basis that they usually have zero credibility, and that no physical evidence will ever be given.

or

3. A mixture between 1 & 2 with 'good' aliens, and 'bad' aliens.

This is all, of course, if there really are aliens.

My take -
If aliens ARE here, and abduction cases are true, then, corral a bunch of repeat abductees together somewhere, surrounded by as much military grade hardened/shielded recording and sensing tech as can be gotten, all of them lojacked with GPS, film 24/7, and wait for one of these probe pincushions to get got.
they can then be tracked on GPS if they get got, and once this proof of concept has been tested with repeat success, then ...
the next step could go toward chucking a couple dozen modern tech whaling harpoons through any little zippy zap saucers that come to get their probe on with the corralled abductees.

Regardless of how advanced an advanced technological civilization might be, that technology will have limitations.
If the right people were to get proper funding, those limitations could possibly be explored, where we can then nail these scaredy cat sneaky little bug-eyed creepers to a board and ask them some questions with some probing of our own.

Here is a what if . What if they were more afraid / unsure of us , stands to reason that they would be spotted less ?

I think about this subject all the time and wonder how earthly or American the aliens have become. The race of aliens involved with Roswell, have been communicating with the USA for the past 60 years. Whether political actions have ET intentions or not, I think politics are more with space travel and things of that nature.

I think communication with ET would be in the form of top secret space missions. Such as theories of a top secret navy program for example.

In the likelihood that we are in contact with an ET race I would presume there to possibly be another International Space Station per se. Possibly provided by the ET's.

I would think since Roswell, the ET's would guide those who have been in contact since the beginning, if they were going to abduct people. Even if after the agreement was made and the ET's vanished and stopped communicating with the US, I would think we would still set up secret protocol have contact points set up outside of Earth.

At that point I'm sure the ET would contact us again in space and more communication and terms and agreement would ensue.

Or if we aren't capable of having a secret space program and all we have up in space to be in contact with ET's are satellites, well I would think ET would have a pretty easy time avoiding contact with us.

There definitely has to be a team of people whose job is to communicate with the ET's. Now whose to tell if if the relationship with ET's is good or bad? It's hard to speculate the frequency of communication with the ET's and to speculate on the setting of where the contact takes place.

The question is, what insider info on the internet is the most reliable?

If I asked for people to watch a clip over and over and wrap their head around it because I swear up and down it is real . Would you call me a liar , fake or fraud ? Probably so but , wrap your heads around this thread that was chucked in the joke forum that I am appealing to get back to this forum where it was posted in the first place .

It was posted before with no issue then but by itself there is an issue . www.abovetopsecret.com...

Good luck coming to terms with it .

I'd say "if" they visit this planet then our being here shows their not aggressive. It would be easy to assume that any species advanced enough to travel the starts would be able to wipe us out without us even knowing they were doing it. I also say "if" they have been visiting us then they have no plans to make themselve know to us since they haven't yet.

It would make sense to me that it would be no benefit to them to interact with us other then study us out of curiosity. I doubt they've been doing it for 100's of 1000's of years (we're not that special get over it). Their not scared of us or our nature. It would be arrogant to assume they'd be afraid of us at all. Their weapons would make our biggest nukes look like tossed spears. They would not think we were hopelessly blood thirsty They would of most likely been though close to the same ordeals we're going though (very likely they could of polluted entire solar systems). Some would say that its not logical to believe that aliens would have to adhear to the same basic instincts we do. I say that makes no sense. All things in nature compete The only way they would of become the dominate species on their home world would be though the animal instincts that we all have (hunt, survive, Improve your own lot in life.) They may have removed those instincts from their species by now (evolved or though genetic's).

I personaly believe that they pose us no threat if they are here. Their not likely to come down give us star track and save us from our self. I see no reason they would want to interfere. It doesn't benefit us (or them) to be saved. It benefits us to solve our own issues and make it to the stars and them by our own means. Aliens could very well be 5 billion or more years more advanced then us. the few hundred or thousand years it may take us to get out there would be meaningless to them.

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I'd be worried about the Aliens that readily made themselves know and offered us tech's (any wise and caring species would know theres no benefit in carrying another species on their back.)

ps
eagerness to reveal themselves might mean we're one of or the 1st other intelligent species they've come across.

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I won't elaborate because I do that constantly on ATS when such threads as yours arise, but I'll give you some clues. The evidence is all around you if you want to look. It always amazes me that so many people on ATS claim to have open minds but reveal that their minds have not been opened very far. They wear self-imposed blinders that come from the culture and society within which they have grown. into "thinking" adults.

You want a handle on what is?:
Accept that UFOs (ancient astronauts) have always visited Earth
Accept that the development of nuclear power, especially those stupid bombs have called them forth.
Accept that most likely the US government has an on-going contract--not mere contact--with them.
That contract is to be the world's police force.
Accept that the triangles reported over the last twenty years or so are our craft built from alien sources.
Accept that the secret of the wondous triangles are probably the only thing that prevents war with China.
Accept that the UN is destined to over take over the sovereignty of all nations.
Accept that there is a master plan dictated by the "overlords" to the UN and the major countries.
Accept that the basic plan will level the entire world's various standards of living to ome more equal for all.
Accept that major wars (with nuclear weapons) will not be allowed ever again. (Woe to those who start one.)
Accept that we are killing the planet and one of the worst "weapons" is over-population.
Accept that individual freedoms are passe. A benign totalitarian government (world and local) will be for all.
Accept that vast areas of human interactions in politics and economics are involved in these changes with many insiders operating to push and pull conditions according to their own desires to take advantage of the situation.

Lastly, accept that humans have been on the wrong track largely because of animalistic behaviors of aggression that developed into nicer competitions such as economics, nationalism, philosophical, a mere keeping up with the Jones, etc.

What is out there, folks, is pure monk-style enlightenment. It is not some half-baked New Age dream. It is what humans are meant to if not merely capable of achieving. I have no doubt but what most of you will reject that last statement out of hand as being simply impossible for you to accept. Part of the reason for that is that you have been taught to use your back and conscious brain for this thing called "work" and know not of any other use for it.

Originally posted by nineix
reply to post by Etheraeon

 

From the bits and pieces of snips from every corner of the tinfoil hat wearing part of the internet, either:

1. WE are the resource to be exploited, used, abducted, probed, cloned, bred, engineered, and/or controlled.

or

2. We live in some care bear universe of light and hippie multi dimensional feel-good one-ness, but, we're not evolved enough to be allowed to even know that there's a grown ups table to sit at yet, with exception of a few 'chosen' ones on the planet that are allowed to know, who are selected on the basis that they usually have zero credibility, and that no physical evidence will ever be given.

or

3. A mixture between 1 & 2 with 'good' aliens, and 'bad' aliens.

This is all, of course, if there really are aliens.

My take -
If aliens ARE here, and abduction cases are true, then, corral a bunch of repeat abductees together somewhere, surrounded by as much military grade hardened/shielded recording and sensing tech as can be gotten, all of them lojacked with GPS, film 24/7, and wait for one of these probe pincushions to get got.
they can then be tracked on GPS if they get got, and once this proof of concept has been tested with repeat success, then ...
the next step could go toward chucking a couple dozen modern tech whaling harpoons through any little zippy zap saucers that come to get their probe on with the corralled abductees.

Regardless of how advanced an advanced technological civilization might be, that technology will have limitations.
If the right people were to get proper funding, those limitations could possibly be explored, where we can then nail these scaredy cat sneaky little bug-eyed creepers to a board and ask them some questions with some probing of our own.

That's the best idea I've heard in 50 years. If these abductions really are happening then we should try this out and see if it works. Though you'd probably be starting a war with an advanced species if we could explore these limitations and use it to obtaine their tech. We could fight them off and demand a reason for terrorizing and kidnapping us. I'd be curious to hear their answer

Originally posted by Aliensun
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I won't elaborate because I do that constantly on ATS when such threads as yours arise, but I'll give you some clues. The evidence is all around you if you want to look. It always amazes me that so many people on ATS claim to have open minds but reveal that their minds have not been opened very far. They wear self-imposed blinders that come from the culture and society within which they have grown. into "thinking" adults.

You want a handle on what is?:
Accept that UFOs (ancient astronauts) have always visited Earth
Accept that the development of nuclear power, especially those stupid bombs have called them forth.
Accept that most likely the US government has an on-going contract--not mere contact--with them.
That contract is to be the world's police force.
Accept that the triangles reported over the last twenty years or so are our craft built from alien sources.
Accept that the secret of the wonderous triangles are probably the only thing that prevents war with China.
Accept that the UN is destined to over take over the sovereignty of all nations.
Accept that there is a master plan dictated by the "overlords" to the UN and the major countries.
Accept that the basic plan will level the entire world's various standards of living to ome more equal for all.
Accept that major wars (with nuclear weapons) will not be allowed ever again. (Woe to those who start one.)
Accept that we are killing the planet and one of the worst "weapons" is over-population.
Accept that individual freedoms are passe. A beneign totalitarian government (world and local) will be for all.
Accept that vast areas of human interactions in politics and economics are involved in these changes with many insiders operating to push and pull conditions according to their own desires to take advantage of the situation.

Lastly, accept that humans have been on the wrong track largely because of animalistic behaviors of aggression that developed into nicer competitions such as economics, nationalism, philsophical, a mere keeping up with the Jones, etc.

What is out there, folks, is pure monk-style enlightenment. It is not some half-baked New Age dream. It is what humans are meant to if not merely capable of achieving. I have no doubt but what most of you will reject that last statement out of hand as being simply impossible for you to accept. Part of the reason for that is that you have been taught to use your back and conscious brain for this thing called "work" and know not of any other use for it.

You ever read the bible mate. That holds a lot of information ontimes to come. And it isn't pretty so why don't you sit down and have a good look at the chapter revelations and by good look I mean all of it. And you thought Christianity was a feel good religion. Also keep in mind that this matches up with a lot of what's happening right now so take heed of what it says.

@last 2 or 3 posts. Your posts still assume a lot of fantasy. What I typed seems much more plausible. I wouldn't blindly put my faith and beliefs in something just because I think its "cool". If any thing talking like that make the general public not take the mater serious. Sorry to say but you do more harm then good.

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Get over yourselves. A super advance enlighten race would care no more of our affairs then we care for the affairs of ants.

Besides the pilots of an alien starship, with the intent on visiting our planet Earth, the rest of the crew would be made up of scientists, archeologists, paleontologists and possibly teachers.

Originally posted by Chargeit

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eagerness to reveal themselves might mean we're one of or the 1st other intelligent species they've come across.

edit on 2-1-2012 by Chargeit because: (no reason given)

That is a very good point, I've never thought of that before...what are the odds of visiting ET only coming across one planet? What are the odds the whole universe having a hierarchy system and survival of the fittest mentality?

Say in our Galaxy if one star system is the most advanced in terms of space travel, say they have mapped out the entire Galaxy. Then wouldn't they be in charge so to speak? Then wouldn't it fall in line with who is more advanced down to the scale of uninhabited planets?

So ET's who visit us, where do they fit in terms of their place in the Galaxy? Where do we fit? Is there some type of commerce available? What if the ET's here are actually working for a different alien race and are merely guiding us into some sort of trade or bargain.

If there is a technology exchange and we master their technology then what is next? Will they offer us real estate and other points through the Galaxy for some other sort of trade? Assisting in an alien war, rescue mission, or helping avoid extinction level events?

I don't think evolving to a Type 1 Civilization and onto Type 2 would bring about a Utopian society. I still think there would be issues to deal with.

I think everyone has to believe in other life forms outside of this planet, our solar system, galaxy and universe. If God created this planet and this planet alone why have we found hundreds of other plants and galaxies?

On to the question in hand - I find it strange how people seem to think this is an American-only issue because its not. This is a worldwide issue but something tells me even our governments are unsure of what lies ahead. Although we may already be in some sort of communication with aliens there have been various incidents in the past which lead me to believe their presence may represent danger. But, from past events and information leaked by former government employees we are likely working alongside aliens already and have probably been reverse engineering all sorts of stuff for a long time.

Just my two cents.