The Conspiracy Against Labeling:

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Sahabi


Now, if we examine the macro to the micro, cosmic to the atomic and subatomic, we discover that each and every thing is fundamentally the same thing; Energy. What makes any thing 'different'? Simply the vibration, density, and concentration of this Energy. This helps to explain why each and every thing is interconnected and co-dependent on everything else to exist.

I hope that clarifies my understandings of labels.

Yes, but you are still using classifications (labels), namely different densities of energy. And its quite appropriate to use them, otherwise you would not be able to tell the difference (to discriminate!) between anything.

Once again my points are lost!

In my initial reply to this thread I spoke about color spectrum as a great example:

"Depending on density or vibration you will see the different colors of the spectrum. When people fool themselves into thinking one color is separate, different, lesser, greater, or superior to another color, they close themselves out of infinite unity and never realize all color are aspects of the true light. Some never see or understand light, but instead focus on separating it into different colors."

I am not against calling any thing as 'this' or 'that.'
It is what it is and no label can ever change a state of being, for all states are temporary.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


You don't know me. This thread is the first time we've ever spoken. Yet, based on one personal concept of mine you are quick to label and categorize me as a liberal?

Am I against calling people white, black, gay, liberal, conservative, etc.? No I am not! You have lost my point. In essence, I am saying that to use labels to separate mankind into polarizing groups is what I am against. I love diversity! I love difference! We need labels to understand and express a thing's current state of being. I do not wish mankind to be a one size fits all zombified society.

Refract light into the color spectrum. Say you see red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. Now, if you place full awareness on the divided colors, you lose awareness that all these colors in harmonious unity make pure Light.

If you can understand that I am not against labels, but only against labeling with the intention to create a polarized society by dividing man against man, then we can have open dialogue. Labels are superficial and do not change anything.

reply to post by Sahabi


I see your point, and thanks for clearly explaining that but just because you are against it, doesn't mean that other people won't label you and that was the point I was trying to make. With Skywatcher its up to you to prove to her that you are not a liberal. I never said you were a liberal, I said you sound an awful lot like one. But I don't know why people get upset over labels so much or having a label placed on them. If you go on and on about liberal things and then never deny that you are a liberal, I will think that you are and unlike many, I will not be afraid to speak my mind. It's up to you to prove me wrong.

As stated before it's usually the left leaning crowd that want to remove labels.

I see no problem with labeling nor do I see a problem with judging others.
Many people put themselves under certain labels....it is their choice. So, I see no issue in acknowledging that label. For example: gang bangers. That is a label and most gang members are gang members by choice.

I also do not see all humans as equal. That is ridiculous and not even realistic.
For example:
Someone who sexually molests a child is certainly NOT my equal in any shape or form.

Judging. We all do it. Every single person on this planet. And anyone who says they don't, I shall call you a liar.
See, judging is simply giving an opinion. And that opinion/judgment could be positive or negative. So if you give an opinion on a person and say "that person is super nice and caring" you are judging them. I think most people equate judging with voicing negative feelings about a person or condemning them to some sentence. And well we all know that is not true, only a judge in a courtroom does that.

Words. So damn useful.

Of course, the other prong of this that if there is word that cannot be gotten rid of, just keep making its meaning change until it means nothing or even the opposite.

We live in such an interesting time -

When the use of the DICTIONARY has become an act of rebellion.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


What's there for me to prove? That I am or am not a liberal? Some of my opinions are in accord with liberalism, conservatism, Christianity, Buddhism, Luciferianism, and all sorts of other ideological camps. Am I a liberal because I am pro human unity? Am I a conservative because I am pro 'traditional' family? Am I a constitutionalist because I love my rights, freedoms, and privacy as laid out in the U.S. Constitution? Am I an anarchist because I believe the only law should be "Do as thou wilt, as long as it does not infringe upon the free will of others"? Does it make me anti-Republican because I voted against George W. Bush? Does it make me an anti-Democrat because I voted against Barak Obama?

You and anyone else can categorize me or label me in any way based on skin color, belief, wealth, social status, or what have you.

I'm about to talk spiritually/philosophically here:

I know 'self.' I know that I am consciousness and I know that I am an expression of infinite possibility. No label or box or category can contain me, for each label only attempts to define a thing in its current state. Not one single thing in existence remains in its 'current' state forever, for all is non-permanent and temporary. Call me a baby I become a child. Call me a child I become an adolescent. Call me an adolescent and I become an adult. Call me an adult and I become elderly. Call me elderly and I soon die.

You can create labels to explain and understand existence. But to try to imprison something in a jail of labels... to polarize and divide society based on labels...

I don't know if I am getting my point acrossed, because quite frankly I am beginning to feel it a waste of my energy to keep running around in circles defending myself in this thread.

I think my points and intentions keep getting lost because you and Skyfloating keep trying to label me. By labeling me you two are holding me to pre-judgements and assumptions. Instead of understanding what I am saying, you two automatically throw me in a liberal box. By throwing me into a liberal box, you and Skyfloating draw conclusions about my intentions and understandings as simply: that's what a liberal would say. By associating me as a liberal, you two believe I am coming from a liberal foundation and blind yourselves to my transcendence. Not transcendence in a divine way... transcendence in the way that my opinions are not confined to any one ideological camp. I agree with some here, I disagree with some there. I am an expression of infinite possibility.

Originally posted by Sahabi


• "The world is a reflection of yourself."
• "What you think.. what you say.. you bring forth."
• "Love and treat others as you love and treat yourself."
• "You must be the change that you want to see in the world."

Indeed.

P.S. The House Rothschild's acquirement of Associated Press and Reuters... their financing of Rockefeller, Soros, and JP Morgan leads me to believe they wield heavy influence today.

The Rothschilds do not finance Soros, Rockefeller, JPMorgan, AP or Reuters.

Sorry to have wasted both our time.

We also disagree here. I enjoyed reading your posts, my time is not wasted.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by Skyfloating
The thing with them is that they judge you for being judgmental.

If you probe more deeply, they are "against labels" only when it concerns things they happen to disagree with. Humans without labels are one in a trillion and if you probe deeply you can bring out their labels and judgments, which they are merely repressing.

Exactly! Hey wait, you just labeled they as they. EVIL!!!!!!

If you can describe someone without labeling you are either a genius or the individual is non-existent. As there is not 1 trillion humans in the universe (that we know of hehe) Isn't human a label?

edit on 26-12-2011 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)

To call "human" a "label" in the strictest sense may be accurate. Largely I would not call that a label because it carries no emotional baggage. To call me an American or guy and human (last I checked) is like my ss#. It's a way to "classify, tag, categorize&reference me" but hardly everything that is me.. But all labels are by their nature simplistic and usually used by those who disagree or just don't like someone or something and usually they are used with "one subject or post" wonders. Since I only know only a few who post here, with everyone else rarely would I resort to "labeling" anyone based on one topic or post. But I'll be honest. I think most who post on this site are both inquisitive and interested in "stuff". Thats always good. Some people may post something I think is bigoted or utterly out to lunch. And I'll be polite but have no problem "labeling" them as such. So sue me...

Will it make me a Muslim to reference Islam?

In Islam, one of the first tasks God gave Adam was 'to name' all the creatures of earth. Naming, labeling, and categorizing are essential to understanding existence. This is NOT what I have been debating.

• When we place ourselves into labels, we limit ourselves. We limit our potential. We say, "I am this, therefore I am not that!" Now we have imprisoned ourselves in a jail based on expectations associated with the labels.

• When we place labels on others, we close our minds to their potentials and possibilities. We say, "You are this." Now we associate them with the label and categorization and never see passed that. We then assume that their entire mind is aligned with a specific ideology, and we only see the ideology instead of seeing the person behind the label.

• When we create labels as illustrated in the OP, we help to progress the separation, isolation, compartmentalization, and polarization of man against man. This weakens society and mankind by creating oppositional enemies based on superficial labels.

Not much more I can add. I've been entirely repeating myself, but because some are quick to throw labels and categorize, people are twisting my posts in order to fit me into the category they have pre-judged that I should belong to.

I am a Liberal, a Conservative, a Constitutionalist, an Anarchist, a Christian, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Jew, a Luciferian, an Occultist, an Agnostic, a Gnostic, and an Atheist. I Am that I Am.

Originally posted by Sahabi
• When we place ourselves into labels, we limit ourselves. We limit our potential. We say, "I am this, therefore I am not that!" Now we have imprisoned ourselves in a jail based on expectations associated with the labels.

You limit yourself and others by making rules like this. In a limitless space you are free to both label and not-label.
It can be fun to label. Today I'm this, tomorrow I'm that.

reply to post by Skyfloating


It is not a rule. Only a reminder that each one of us possesses infinite possibility to transcend labels that some may try to hold us to. Why must we do the same thing everyday when each moment is an opportunity for new experience? Why must we close our minds to specific opinions instead of acknowledging that at any moment all of our preconceptions can be shattered and a new reality can be attained? On the other hand, people have the Free Will to limit, separate, and close their self off in labeled boxes. But not me, and not for any liberal or conservative agendas.

I may be 'this' today, and you may call me 'this.' But I know that at any moment 'this' can become 'that.'

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
I see no problem with labeling nor do I see a problem with judging others.
Many people put themselves under certain labels....it is their choice. So, I see no issue in acknowledging that label. For example: gang bangers. That is a label and most gang members are gang members by choice.

I also do not see all humans as equal. That is ridiculous and not even realistic.
For example:
Someone who sexually molests a child is certainly NOT my equal in any shape or form.

Judging. We all do it. Every single person on this planet. And anyone who says they don't, I shall call you a liar.
See, judging is simply giving an opinion. And that opinion/judgment could be positive or negative. So if you give an opinion on a person and say "that person is super nice and caring" you are judging them. I think most people equate judging with voicing negative feelings about a person or condemning them to some sentence. And well we all know that is not true, only a judge in a courtroom does that.

edit on December 27th 2011 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)

Too True! insisting to remove labels from society is ridiculous. Sure, everyone judges and some do it wrongly, but that is what comes with freedom of speech to say you can't say that that person is black or that person is liberal is wrong would be taking that person's freedom of speech away even if he/she is wrong

Originally posted by Sahabi
each one of us possesses infinite possibility to transcend labels that some may try to hold us to.

and each one of us possesses infinite possibility to label. Both labeling and not-labeling are very useful.

Why must we do the same thing everyday when each moment is an opportunity for new experience?

Because narrowness and repetition focus energy, whereas new experiences scatter energy.

Why must we close our minds to specific opinions instead of acknowledging that at any moment all of our preconceptions can be shattered and a new reality can be attained?

Because the already existing reality may be quite pleasant.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


I have to admit when I first read the title I thought the thread was about the conspiracy to not label food correctly.

I do not have a problem with labels, what I and many other people have a problem with is something labeled incorrectly. Be it food, people, colour, class or nationality. Labels help us distinguish, differentiate, and identify. I see this as pretty much a necessity.