Ron Paul Voted "AYE" (Yes) To MLK Holiday. House Vote #625, December 5th, 1979. And Rosa Parks. Ra

did he vote for it or against it? im confused. i know it isnt about racism though... Ron Paul doesn roll that way. Its usually about tax payers spending money they dont need to i guess. someone said he wanted congress to give money for a mother teresa metal but no one did it. they wanted the tax payer to. Ron was against that. Thats a man for the people.

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I tried changing the HEADLINE to the thread but I am past the window for editing.

I was going to revise it in light of this discussion and omit the term "Holiday". I shouldn't have typed 'Holiday" in the first place but ATS gives a short window to edit. You go to bed, wake up, and you can't revise anymore.

But the key word "Holiday" was a mistake and I recant that wording as it's technically inaccurate.

Originally posted by PaxVeritas
I thought it was curious how if he were such a 'racist' wouldn't he have voted straight 'no' to anything relating to MLK day before it's final passage and introduction into the House?

That is my question.

That's not a question any of us can answer. I would expect him to just not vote, but I suspect he didn't want a holiday floating around, letting people off work during the week. He clearly wanted it moved to SUNDAY. Maybe so people wouldn't get paid for taking the day off... You'd have to ask him why he voted on changing the date at alll.

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No problem, not sure if the mods could help you change it or not.

For what it's worth, Ron Paul was likely opposed to the creation of any government holidays, no matter what it favored. TBH we have too many holidays as it is. I just hate to see RP supporter's on the Web claiming "he's not racist because he voted in favor of the MLK holiday" - when the truth is he voted NAY to creating an MLK holiday. In light of the truth that statement backfires on RP and his supporters and makes him look racist.

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how does it make him look racist?

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Actually my thread is honest and valid given that my original intent was to show that a supposed "racist" had anything to do with an MLK Holiday in the first place.

His intentions for the vote aren't stated, true, but it was the anomaly of voting PERIOD that caught my eye.

Yet not a good example of his 'non racism'. There are dozens of passages from books, videos, seminars, debates that I could site to make a BETTER argument beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I was just interested in the MLK and Rosa PArks issue since it seemed to be the two of the most referenced I've seen.

I wasn't trying to steer from the truth. Just wrong wording in the title which I only have 4 HOURS to edit.

This thread is a hoax, debunked. He only voted to change the date in the vote the OP provided, NOT a yes vote to make the MLK Holiday.

So much for transparency when it comes to Ron Paul's record yet again.
Pathetic attempts to change his record, or to muddy up the issues as to make it all appear too hard to find the truth. He voted against MLK day, but oh hey he voted to move the date, that's close enough hahahaha.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by PaxVeritas
I thought it was curious how if he were such a 'racist' wouldn't he have voted straight 'no' to anything relating to MLK day before it's final passage and introduction into the House?

That is my question.

That's not a question any of us can answer. I would expect him to just not vote, but I suspect he didn't want a holiday floating around, letting people off work during the week. He clearly wanted it moved to SUNDAY. Maybe so people wouldn't get paid for taking the day off... You'd have to ask him why he voted on changing the date at alll.

Good answer, a true racist wouldn't want everyone thanking a colored hero for a free paycheck, changing it to Sunday would not in itself be racist but it is easy to see how a racist would support such a move.

So his vote to move to Sunday does not clear up the racist issue, it leaves it wide open and on the table.

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Actually my thread is honest and valid

Your thread is misinformation and lies...meant to confuse and mislead people.

Just like the majority of Ron Paul threads on ATS.

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My thread TITLE is misinformation, as opposed to willful DISINFORMATION.

As I said, I only have a 4 hour window to edit.

As far as the rest of my OP I stand by it completely.

As far as your opinions on Ron Paul supporters...who cares....

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It doesn't show him to be racist. It shows he mismanaged and got lazy. (which isn't presidental)

Because Presidents don't use ghost writers?

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
This thread is a hoax, debunked. He only voted to change the date in the vote the OP provided, NOT a yes vote to make the MLK Holiday.

So much for transparency when it comes to Ron Paul's record yet again.
Pathetic attempts to change his record, or to muddy up the issues as to make it all appear too hard to find the truth. He voted against MLK day, but oh hey he voted to move the date, that's close enough hahahaha.

You've also been debunked as an irrational Ron Paul hater, showing up in every thread to bash the only guy in the race with a little decency. Yeah. Your act is infantile.

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If the argument is "He's not racist because he voted in FAVOR of creating an MLK day" then OOPS, he actually voted NOT IN FAVOR of creating an MLK day, it could then be read as "He's racist because he voted NOT IN FAVOR of creating a MLK day.".

The OP's argument is invalidated because of the factual error s/he made in how RP voted on the MLK holiday bill. He voted AGAINST it. So if the OP wants to use the VOTE record on this bill to support his theory that RP is not racist based on his vote, then what happens to that argument when the vote record shows he voted AGAINST creating an MLK holiday? Should we thus conclude RP is indeed a racist? Using the OP's argument that is the only conclusion we could draw.

This is the logical fallacy the OP set himself up for. He is using the vote record to try and prove that only a "racist" would vote NAY in creating the MLK holiday, and a "non-racist" would vote YAY in creating it. EXCEPT he made the mistake of linking to the wrong house vote. Ron Paul in fact voted NAY in creating the MLK holiday.


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You linked to the wrong bill. The bill you linked to was a vote on MOVING the holiday from MLK's birthday to a Sunday. The earlier bill on CREATING the MLK holiday is here:

House Vote #578 (Nov 13, 1979)

And Ron Paul voted NO to creating an MLK holiday. What you linked to was a subsequent house vote on MOVING the newly created holiday from MLK's birthday to a Sunday. (which could be construed as denying government workers the chance to have a day off for MLK day. It would be like making the 4th of July to be celebrated on the 1st Sunday of July - it turns a day off for celebration into just another weekend with no time off from work).

Again, I'm not saying RP is in any way racist, based on this vote or any other. Only pointing out the basic tenet of the OP's argument is completely wrong, as several others have also pointed out, and thus invalidates his or her conclusion that this somehow makes Ron Paul a non-racist.

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No, I didn't link to the WRONG BILL.

The Bill I linked to was as intended. Did you even bother reading the thread of the O.P.

I was fully aware the VOTE for MLK to be a Holiday was another Bill entirely BEFORE I made this thread.

You didn't 'catch' me on anything. The wording of my TITLE was incorrect.

Reread the thread.

And I didn't start the thread to validate him as a "non Racist" I was supposing and intrigued that a 'racist' would vote on the Bill PERIOD. Which is a weak argument in itself, but I was framing it as a note of interest.

Like I said previous, if I wanted to create a thread of EVIDENCE as Ron Paul NOT being a racist, there are tons of written words, videos, transcripts that I could literally fill an entire two pages with. There is an avalanche of evidence to him NOT being one as opposed to him BEING one.

ok cool.

so 5% of the newsletters content not written by Ron Paul is questionable but 100% of Ron Pauls content that he wrote and said isn't questionable as a racist?

Yep the OP is wrong this. Now regarding the explanation for Paul's vote against honoring Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King, that it's a waste of tax payer money, has he been consistent in this with all other congressional honors? I think this may be well worth the research. Ron Paul also voted against honoring Ronald Reagan in 2002, so in all fairness, his reasons may verywell be legitimate in this case.

OP again I'm not attacking RP over this, it's just your argument is wrong - not only wrong but backwards.

You say:

If someone was a closet racist, wouldn't they have found some way to vote "NAY" or to skip the vote entirely?

When it came to the vote on creating the MLK holiday, Paul DID vote NAY. And when it came to the bill you linked to, a NAY vote would have PRESERVED the holiday on his birthday, as opposed to moving it to Sunday, which is what he voted in favor of. Re-read your question above in the light that Paul did just that - voted against the MLK holiday then voted to move it to a Sunday. The very thing you imply a "closet racist" would do.

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Excellent find OP! Star and flagged!

deleted post..I need to read more on this.

I don't even know why people would consider he is racist. It is clear he isn't. That has never been a topic before he has been close to winning. Whoever claims he is a racist is only trying to troll on his parade.