My proposal for a new world order(for the better)

I envision a world where there is no money, no poverty, no needs, where people can spend more time with family and friends, no need to work otherwise no food etc. i have thought hard how can this be possible. Understanding human psychology being a med student i know no one will work without any incentives. Also i understand if the basic needs are met people will strive to do what they love doing. A world where an artist finds joy at when people admire their painting, a musician when someone downloads their songs with geting nothing in return from the person downloading. And i wish to propose a system just for that. Our planet is a big mess with so much of suffering. We are the single most intelligent species on the planet and we end up exploiting, profiteering and killing which stops our development as a species to find peace and joy. Here is my vision.
 
Firstly i see a world without money. But something similar i call credit. Credit cannot be transfered from one person to another
 
I will start of with the basics. Well i propose that all basic and above basic needs be a birthright. Food, healthcare, shelter, entertainment(amusement parks, threaters, T.V, music), communication, regional transport be for free.
 
But without work no society can progress. But hard work should NOT be forced onto someone. Working hours per week should be around 5 to 10. Even without work a person should live comfortably. And when people have no work i agree most will sit at home, but equally as many will DO WHAT THEY LOVE. But for a few minutes a day everyone must do basic unskilled work like cleaning the streets to serving at restaurants. Work should be cycled. One week this, next another work. Everyone is considered equal in society.  Now for skilled work. If you like painting, you will make countless amount of art and according to your popularity you will earn credit. If you like science, you will study and become a scientist and will earn credit by your work. This will extra credits above the basic equal credits earned by all by the few hours of work a week. All the extra hours will be for the person to do what he likes. If i like designing cars or medicine to help i will do so and earn credits according my contribution. Then i beleive people won't work just to earn bread but will give their maximum effort in doing what they like.
 
In this system there will be no big corporations or companies harming people to get cash into their pockets. There will be a government body which will run all factories and hospitals schools etc. as the is no money and transr of money corruption is highly impossible.  A person would be a leader if only he geniunely wants to leed. If his rating goes down, he gets less credits and eventually loses his job. Everyones credits must be public and the way he earned it must be visible to all. In this system people will genuinely work to help one other or just do what they like doing the most. One has no need to be a doctor if he only looks forward to being a doctor only to earn big. So quality of service provided will increase. If you are thinking why would a waiter who is just doing his basic 5 hours per week compulsory job be nice to you while serving your coffee. Well if his service is good by you he will automatically earn extra credits like tips. Also, elective jobs pay according to the contribution by the person, not by time, which is the case for compulsory jobs. So in that case no one is above the other, no single job is better.
 
So in this society a person needs to do his 5-10 hours daily job, if he wishes he can do more. And he can life a very happy and content life. If he wishes to do something he likes he can earn from it and be better off.
 
I wish to propose this system to ATS because i know there are flaws, i was hoping people will point out, ok so what happens to this and that in this system. Will get me thinking.
 
Wishing everyone a happy day!
 

Sounds like a post modern type of slavery imo.

See this would have happened a long time ago, but i found out that the whole basis of money, security, power, forced economics is that people cant trust one another.

Its basic Humans, too many of us are too ignorant to think of the greater cause and only think for our selves. If you could trust the man next to you while you were sitting on the bus like your brother, then would you be afraid that he might pull something funny? what if you could trust everyone to be honest to their word? then why would we need money, if we guaranteed them food, a home, water, electricity and luxuries for their services would they take them?

Sure they would but they cant trust you, so they would just take the money instead.

I might have strolled off topic here, but what im saying is that trust is the whole basis of everything...

Take a look at the venus project,
Its along the same lines my friend.

Sadly, you'll probably get some flamers in here, and sadly, this will not happen until a good portion of people are gone. Because most people will always want more than other people.

Most of the jobs today can be replaced by robots. Your idea, is perfectly valid. And would be heaven on earth.
Society as a whole would be better
We would advance in science and technology so quickly. Because people would not be worried about having rent to pay, or bills to pay. or food to eat.

Imagine how many opportunities for great technology and advancement were lost because the person who would invent it was too poor to go to school. Or had to work to keep their family afloat.

It would be nice, doing what one loves each and every day. But in our current paradigm, we would need a big disaster to get people thinking about it. The worlds screwed already, and most people are too stupid to realize it.

Maybe after the apocalypse.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Sounds like a post modern type of slavery imo.

Its already slavery now.
Being able to be free and not worry about necessities and able to learn and work as you please.
Doing what one loves to do.

Doesn't seem like slavery to me.

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Could you please explain, how is a 5 hour per week week slavery. And everything needed is free, earnings from the few hours are accumulated.

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Yes this system would first need humans to get a brain transplant and change their minset.

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Will check out the venus project now. The whole point of my thread is to better the system i proposed, maybe i missed something. And also to get the idea out there, more people will get exposed to this kind of thinking and start hating the current system, then only can action be taken. We need people to change their minset.

Originally posted by asen_y2k
... but equally as many will DO WHAT THEY LOVE. But for a few minutes a day everyone must do basic unskilled work like cleaning the streets to serving at restaurants.

There are uncountably large numbers of jobs that are dirty, dangerous, irritatingly noisy and foul or where long distance travel away from home is required, that need skilled workers.
Where do they come from in your plan?

Also, many people love their job so much they will work it 50 or 60 hours a week. These people will naturally rise to the top in their profession, knocking out the more casual worker. In a situation where there is only enough employment for a small number of these people the casual worker who does it for love will find no opportunity for work at all.
Is it your plan to outlaw such activities?

Also, many people need the money ("credits" in your scenario) so badly they will work it 50 or 60 hours a week. These people will naturally rise to the top in their profession, knocking out the more casual worker. In a situation where there is only enough employment for a small number of these people the casual worker who does it for love will find no opportunity for work at all.
Is it your plan to outlaw such activities?

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by asen_y2k
... but equally as many will DO WHAT THEY LOVE. But for a few minutes a day everyone must do basic unskilled work like cleaning the streets to serving at restaurants.

There are uncountably large numbers of jobs that are dirty, dangerous, irritatingly noisy and foul or where long distance travel away from home is required, that need skilled workers.
Where do they come from in your plan?

Also, many people love their job so much they will work it 50 or 60 hours a week. These people will naturally rise to the top in their profession, knocking out the more casual worker. In a situation where there is only enough employment for a small number of these people the casual worker who does it for love will find no opportunity for work at all.
Is it your plan to outlaw such activities?

Also, many people need the money ("credits" in your scenario) so badly they will work it 50 or 60 hours a week. These people will naturally rise to the top in their profession, knocking out the more casual worker. In a situation where there is only enough employment for a small number of these people the casual worker who does it for love will find no opportunity for work at all.
Is it your plan to outlaw such activities?

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Outlaw...not really, i envision a system with minimal laws and minimal law enforcement. As for the first paragraph, it got me thinking, lets say mineworkers, hard work and also skilled labour is needed. How about making them higher credit paying jobs. Your last paragraph mentions about people wanting credits bad enough, well they are the are one who will be working there. Travel to working place should be kept minimum, that is, local talent should be used and high speed transport should enable quick travel to job spot and back. In this system a mag lev and a bike costs the same for the government building them. Materials do not cost and government as such has no credit to transfer to the people. Second paragraphs about what if someone loves the job, and does more work. Well thats encouraged. If someone loves his job to do 60 hours then he will rise to a better position. If a scientist goes to work 60 hours a week, his contribution will be more so higher position at work. Now if someone wants money badly and does the compulsory work 60 hours a day, well i see no problem in that. Other workers in that particular unskilled work would be assigned another.