Indefinite detention bill passes in Senate

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Already posted.

didn't they say the same thing about the patriot act..?
just saying, some of you are exaggerating. keep living your happy little lives and everything will be alright

Originally posted by wlord
didn't they say the same thing about the patriot act..?
just saying, some of you are exaggerating. keep living your happy little lives and everything will be alright

Sorry but history with these scumbags teaches us otherwise.

Keep living your happy little lives... gee what has happened in the last decade... a few wars, trillions spent, banks looting the treasury, constitution destroyed, militarized police, drones used on US soil, police brutality getting unpunished... etc...

Yeah it's all going to end well... NOT.

The bill passed in conference was HR1540. section 1031 b2 removes the power to detain American citizens.

HR1540

Originally posted by wlord
didn't they say the same thing about the patriot act..?
just saying, some of you are exaggerating. keep living your happy little lives and everything will be alright

If it weren't for the patriot act this concentration camp bill would not be passed. Small steps towards world communism.

Has anyone read the language of sections 1031 and 1032. Doesn't sound like they are going to detain Americans in that way, unless I'm missing how it is interpreted.

Originally posted by satron
Has anyone read the language of sections 1031 and 1032. Doesn't sound like they are going to detain Americans in that way, unless I'm missing how it is interpreted.

Exactly, I am trying to get the word out.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
The bill passed in conference was HR1540. section 1031 b2 removes the power to detain American citizens.

HR1540

No it doesn't.

Here's what it says :

(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.

(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

Where does it exclude Americans citizens again?

Hell Obama ASSASSINATED two American citizens in Yemen, without proof or trial. You think he gives a flying duck about anything congress passes?

And if you think that cops and military won't arrest ``suspected terrorists``...
From a guy that was imprison at Guantanamo

Sometimes they showed you the ugly face: torturing, torturing without asking questions. Sometimes I said, 'Yes, whatever you ask, I'll say yes,' because I just wanted torture to stop. But the next day, I said: 'No, I said yes yesterday because of torture.' My first or second interrogator said to me: 'Mohammed, I know you're innocent but I'm doing my job. I have children to feed. I don't want to lose my job.'

That's the mindset of these people.

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Let's not forget about section 1034 :

SEC. 1034. AFFIRMATION OF ARMED CONFLICT WITH AL-QAEDA, THE TALIBAN, AND ASSOCIATED FORCES.

Congress affirms that--

(1) the United States is engaged in an armed conflict with al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated forces and that those entities continue to pose a threat to the United States and its citizens, both domestically and abroad;

(2) the President has the authority to use all necessary and appropriate force during the current armed conflict with al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated forces pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note);

(3) the current armed conflict includes nations, organization, and persons who--

(A) are part of, or are substantially supporting, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or

(B) have engaged in hostilities or have directly supported hostilities in aid of a nation, organization, or person described in subparagraph (A); and


(4) the President's authority pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority to detain belligerents, including persons described in paragraph (3), until the termination of hostilities.

That means any PERSON is included, including American citizens.

The bill would also require the military to take custody of suspected terrorists. That's the part that American citizens were exempted from: only the part about the military being forced to take custody of them.

The part about being able to arrest and hold without trial on suspicion of terrorist activities does NOT exempt American citizens. Just that the military would not be forced to take custody of them. American citizens would still enjoy the right to languish in civilian prisons without trial.

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(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.— (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States. (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States

Starting at line 34 of section 1032

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For the hundredth time...

The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

Read it carefully. It says the REQUIREMENT to detain a person. REQUIREMENT. It means they are not REQUIRED to detain a US citizen in military custody... but they CAN do it.

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Yeah, looking at it more closely, I see what you're saying.