occupy food

reply to post by XPLodER


How do you determine that though?

If someones giving out free food I'm totally there.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Free food?

I'm there, even though I am not starving, I am kinda hungry though.

i am guessing you have never done anything like this before?
i am guessing you expect the worst side of humanity to steel it all?
i am guessing you dont realise that people when given the chance to help others will do so?

you use the idea of greed,
i use the idea of need,

when a whole comunity decideds to do something, and you in that comunity act against the best interest of all people, that comunity will remind you of you actions.

this means if you are being a shmuck, they treat you like one

dont be a shmuck

xploder

reply to post by thehoneycomb


your argument only works for people who are NOT working together as a comunity,
you expect all people to work agaisnt each other,
this is not the case,

there are some always who want a free lunch and are not deserving


and they take from the mouths of the childeren and honless,

but when a comunity gets together and works together, they use social pressures as a unit.

ie if you were rich and went down and took all the apples from a tree and sold them,
the comunity would show disaproval to you.

i know its seams strange to think that people want to do the right thing and be part of something.

now if this works in different places and in different countries already.
there is no excuse not to try it for the needy

set up rule 1, feed the needest first,
the childeren.

xploder

ats thread HALF OF US POULATION POOR OR HOMLESS

census data
www.abovetopsecret.com...

wake up

xp

reply to post by XPLodER

Good find OP. If you click the link at the bottom of the linked article, it leads to a longer daily mail article:

Set in a Pennine valley — once, the road through the town served as the border between Yorkshire and Lancashire — it is a vibrant mix of age, class and ethnicity. A third of households do not own a car; a fifth do not have central heating. You can snap up a terrace house for £50,000 — or spend close to £1 million on a handsome stone villa with seven bedrooms. And the scheme has brought this varied community closer together, according to Pam Warhurst. Take one example. ‘The police have told us that, year on year, there has been a reduction in vandalism since we started,’ she says. ‘We weren’t expecting this.’

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver


the fact that is working in different countries and different comunities proves it works,
it has a positive impact on the comunity in many many ways,

not the least smiling happey childeren

xploder
ps thanks i am glad reasonalbe people understand

reply to post by XPLodER


Look, I don't think I am better off than anybody and I know what it is like to go without food.
We do have soup kitchens here FYI. Just saying.

But how would you determine who really needs the food and who doesn't? Hey Im not trying to be argumentative just asking a simple question.

Heres a true story, there was a time when I couldn't afford to buy food and pay for my bills, went to the state to try to get some help and I was DENIED financial assistance, because I am a child support obligee. They did give me a food basket though.

So once again, how do you only give to the poor and the needy and how would you assess who is deserving or not?

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Look, I don't think I am better off than anybody and I know what it is like to go without food.
We do have soup kitchens here FYI. Just saying.

lets give the left over food to the soup kitches then....

But how would you determine who really needs the food and who doesn't? Hey Im not trying to be argumentative just asking a simple question.

take the food to the tent cities of the homless, to the food banks to the soup kitichens, to the elderly.
you WILL know who is needy ALL you have to do is look

Heres a true story, there was a time when I couldn't afford to buy food and pay for my bills, went to the state to try to get some help and I was DENIED financial assistance, because I am a child support obligee. They did give me a food basket though.

So once again, how do you only give to the poor and the needy and how would you assess who is deserving or not?

huger is the qualification
need is the qualification
any person any age any race any religion,

huger should be the easlest thing to fix in the western world,
half the population of your country is poor.
i would say all are in need at the moment


xploder

reply to post by XPLodER


Sure, but it's because of these socialist type ideas that have been passing through congress in into law.

If the whole world was capitalist, there would not be many poor people, just saying.

I don't necessarily disagree with your idea, but why not grow on private property and distribute?

Also tools, water, workers are a necessity. Otherwise we do have food that grows in the wild, however, there are so many regulations now, but I digress.

Originally posted by XPLodER


THE STANDARD OF LIVING INCREASES for the comunity.

I think it's a brilliant idea, but then I'm a fellow Kiwi so I don't have the inbuilt mistrust of things 'socialist' such as many of our American friends appear to have been programmed with.

I think we need to get back to a more community-based approach rather than our culture of greed. Greed causes hurt. Being inclusive, exhibiting tolerance and having a positive community-based ethic would be such a healing and wealth-creating idea.

Better to pull people up than push them down.

Kia kaha e hoa.
Me te whakaaro nui.
Kaua e takahia te mana o te tangata.
Mā te rongo, ka mōhio; Mā te mōhio, ka mārama; Mā te mārama, ka mātau; Mā te mātau, ka ora.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


have you been conditioned that to feed the hungry is socialist?
to feed the hungry is to be human, it is humanity.

you use a socialally inaceptable term "socialism" and try to define feeding starving childeren with the boogie word "socialism"

socialism is where the peoples money is used to bail out banks causing people to starve,
that is not capitalism

that by very definition is socialism or fashism.

and you try to twist feeding people into socialism,
i bet the hungry and starving HUMAN BEINGS would not call it socialism,

they would call it "humanism"
to be human

you are abviuosly just an agitator trying to smear the idea of helping others and are using the buzz word socialism to try to offend people

this is humanist
not socialist

stop trying to disrail my thread.......
i see what you are doing and i know why
you will not acociate a human ideal with a political bent

so stop trying to derail the thread
last warning

xploder
try being human and thinking like one for a change

reply to post by thehoneycomb

Hi thehoneycomb (apt name for this topic )

The OP's article links to this one at the bottom. A UK newspaper. Its a great read but also gets a few of the points you have been asking across, I think.
Larger newspaper article

I think it would work something like this. Compared to food the cost of seeds is more or less negligible, so, those who can afford would throw a small amount of money in a large pot which pays for the seeds. Then, those with free-time or just desire would plant the seeds and the community contributes time and manpower on an as needed basis to tend for and harvest the crop.

Locals are encouraged to help themselves. A few tomatoes here, a handful of broccoli there. If they’re in season, they’re yours. Free. The vegetable plots are the most visible sign of an amazing plan: to make Todmorden the first town in the country that is self-sufficient in food.

Imagine how that would help the local economy. They might be able to spend money on other essentials, clothing, heating etc. I'm sure we all realise the huge and unfair profit margins of the large supermarket chains.

This answers your questions about the...logistics of it:

So what’s to stop me turning up with a huge carrier bag and grabbing all the rosemary in the town?
‘Nothing,’ says Mary.
What’s to stop me nabbing all the apples?
‘Nothing.’
All your raspberries?
‘Nothing.’
It just doesn’t happen like that, she says. ‘We trust people. We truly believe — we are witness to it — that people are decent.’ When she sees the Big Issue (my edit, a paper that homeless people sell in order to have a small amount of income and provide something instead of just begging) seller gathering fruit for his lunch, she feels only pleasure. What does it matter, argues Mary, if once in a while she turns up with her margarine tub to find that all the strawberries are gone? ‘This is a revolution,’ she says. ‘But we are gentle revolutionaries. Everything we do is underpinned by kindness.’

One last bit:

Three years ago, when Incredible Edible was launched, she did a very unusual thing: she lowered her front wall, in order to encourage passers-by to walk into her garden and help themselves to whatever vegetables took their fancy. There were signs asking people to take something but it took six months for folk to ‘get it’, she says. Incredible Edible is also about much more than plots of veg. It’s about educating people about food, and stimulating the local economy.

Its a truly great idea but obviously won't work in large cities like nasty polluted London but for smaller towns it could be the first step...

*crosses fingers*

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Sure, but it's because of these socialist type ideas that have been passing through congress in into law.

If the whole world was capitalist, there would not be many poor people, just saying.

I don't necessarily disagree with your idea, but why not grow on private property and distribute?

Also tools, water, workers are a necessity. Otherwise we do have food that grows in the wild, however, there are so many regulations now, but I digress.

If the whole world was Capitalist we would ALL be the poorer for it. It's a system based on greed and sold to us as a judgement: "If you work hard you'll get ahead". However, I know plenty of people who work hard, with more than one job and they can't get ahead because there's always some greedy bastard creaming off the top. It's a pyramid scheme and requires, by necessity, people to be a labour pool for other people to make money off.

If this (re: OP) is carried out in public gardens then the workers, water and tools are already in place.
Growing on private property and distributing is a good idea too, however, I think it would mean a whole lot more to people if they saw that the community they were living in and contributing to explicitly showed that they were valued, no matter their status.

Stop the greed, start the care.
We might find the world is a better place for it.

Kia kaha e hoa.

reply to post by XPLodER

I must admit I don't like all the political labelling either. IMHO it's just people trying to be self-sufficient and caring and sharing.

Another way of looking at it might be... Why is there so much crime and what purpose does it serve? I would postulate that most people commit crime for one reason, possibly 2. Not having enough for a comfortable lifestyle (something we all desire) and not having the means or opportunity of changing that fact, whether it is due to social constraints (lack of decent employment) or other factors. Now, if I have enough, am I going to take risks? I think not.

Most people seem to think they live in a democracy when it is anything but that. Oligarchy, plutocracy or an almost fascist state is actually much closer to the truth than most are willing to admit.


ETA If you take the ist's away from some of the political terms I think their truer and uncorrupted meanings are revealed. Social, commune and capital. I know which 2 sound better to me although obviously having god-cult like leaders running them was never the original intention imho. The Stalins, Lenins and Kim-Jong Ills of the world are just despots and should never have been allowed to take power. Just like in capitalism with its presidents, prime ministers and the like.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Ok you said taxes and good answer.

Consider this though. Under a socialist government, tax payers would also pay for abortions and abortions would be readily available for anyone who wanted one, regardless of term or circumstance.

Not to say it's not a good idea, growing food for the community free of charge is a great idea. It's also a very dangerous idea.

How did the conversation digress from community gardens to publicly sponsored abortions, regardless of term or circumstances?

Geez, personal agenda much?

OP,

In my mobile home park gardens aren't allowed, due to animals and rodents. Emboldened and hungry raccoons, opossums, rats, birds, etc. can be quite the pests, and dangerous to mess with too.

My daughter lives in North Hollywood and the side street that she lives on has herbs, tomato and strawberry plants all along the sidewalk, a public walkway. I don't have a clue who maintains them, but it is the street that Whole Foods is on.

after reading the positive responces,
i am going to support this initive in small towns and comunities
hope this is something that can bring togehter people and help the poor.
we are all the 99%

operation occupy food for the people by the people

thanks to all posters

i will bring this up with the OWS and occupy groups
again thanks all

xploder

You'd have to make sure you plant things that won't accidentally get crossed with GM crops nearby. I think I heard somewhere that you need to plant something like 30 miles from a possibly contaminated farm (for things like corn which are wind pollinated), to avoid the cross pollination. I'd have to look it up again. You can protect the crops in other ways than distance though but it'd be a pain.

Not only would you be contaminating your communities food, but you'd be liable for infringing on Monsantos' patents.

Thats weird. Another topic has been started on this, several days after you started yours and it gained more attention. I wonder if the thread title maybe scared people off due to containing the word occupy.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver


i am happy to know that it is being disscused,
if the mods want they can close this thread,

if the idea has merit it will spread to all in need

xploder

reply to post by XPLodER

I don't think this thread should be closed at all, I was just surprised that it didn't get as much attention as the other one, especially as you were first. Its been a nice discussion here.