do you believe another 9/11 will happen?

Why not spend your worry-time on more likely causes for your untimely demise like; drunken drivers or polluted air and water!?!

The likelyhood of you being killed by a terrorist act is miniscule, regardless of the fear-mongering that the politicos would have you believe.

Originally posted by scottsquared
Why not spend your worry-time on more likely causes for your untimely demise like; drunken drivers or polluted air and water!?!

The likelyhood of you being killed by a terrorist act is miniscule, regardless of the fear-mongering that the politicos would have you believe.

Those are facts of human nature that while unfortunate wont be controlled, where in the terrorism issue simple tasks performed by ritual can eliminate the more severe threat or at least make the drunk driver become the greater threat. At that time I would be glad to turn 100% of the focus to a threat that kills far less people at one time then the simplest terrorist bomb. The basic drunk driver kills 5.5 people in an accident. The basic bomber kills 10.2 people in their smallest attacks. The .2 and .5 factors are the people who may end up commatose or vegitated. So where do you think the focus should be

[edit on 31/10/2004 by drbryankkruta]

Originally posted by drbryankkruta

Originally posted by scottsquared
Why not spend your worry-time on more likely causes for your untimely demise like; drunken drivers or polluted air and water!?!

The likelyhood of you being killed by a terrorist act is miniscule, regardless of the fear-mongering that the politicos would have you believe.

Those are facts of human nature that while unfortunate wont be controlled, where in the terrorism issue simple tasks performed by ritual can eliminate the more severe threat or at least make the drunk driver become the greater threat. At that time I would be glad to turn 100% of the focus to a threat that kills far less people at one time then the simplest terrorist bomb. The basic drunk driver kills 5.5 people in an accident. The basic bomber kills 10.2 people in their smallest attacks. The .2 and .5 factors are the people who may end up commatose or vegitated. So where do you think the focus should be

[edit on 31/10/2004 by drbryankkruta]

What is human nature that you refer to in response??? Environmental pollution that causes you cancer is unavoidable human nature??? How many people anually die from environmental causes? How many die from terrorists? The numbers are not comparable. 30,000 mostly children die DAILY from malnutrition related causes. The massive diversion of attention to the unwinable "war on terror" is a straw-man argument that wastes time, money, resourses, and lives.

edited for spelling

[edit on 31-10-2004 by scottsquared]

Originally posted by scottsquared

Originally posted by drbryankkruta

Originally posted by scottsquared
Why not spend your worry-time on more likely causes for your untimely demise like; drunken drivers or polluted air and water!?!

The likelyhood of you being killed by a terrorist act is miniscule, regardless of the fear-mongering that the politicos would have you believe.

Those are facts of human nature that while unfortunate wont be controlled, where in the terrorism issue simple tasks performed by ritual can eliminate the more severe threat or at least make the drunk driver become the greater threat. At that time I would be glad to turn 100% of the focus to a threat that kills far less people at one time then the simplest terrorist bomb. The basic drunk driver kills 5.5 people in an accident. The basic bomber kills 10.2 people in their smallest attacks. The .2 and .5 factors are the people who may end up commatose or vegitated. So where do you think the focus should be

What is human nature that you refer to in response??? They chose to attack an issue they feel would be easier to win against when in fact it is not. As long as there are people that have feeling to drown in alcohol for example there will be drunk drivers. Where in the case of OBL we dont like his methods so we are going to hunt him down and kill hime there by ending his personal existance and views.

Environmental pollution that causes you cancer is unavoidable human nature???

Again another human nature, one that comfort out weighs human existance

How many people anually die from environmental causes?
While I cant say with certainty what the totals are from all contamanents, I believe smoking and second hand smoke kills 5,000,000 people a year as of the 2003 totals see the link here

smoking deaths

How many die from terrorists?

While in the short time just in Iraq alone that the terrorist and the war has claimed over 150,000 lives with only what 2000 of those being US military targets. Now lets look at terroist or militants in Russia over 300 in just a few days stand off. Now the US- Both WTC- and the OKC attack both netted with the push of a button or movement of hand over 5000 in a matter of just 3 momentary events, Now move onto Sudan what 1,900,000 in just the first count in 1983, from 1983 to 89 another 500,000, 1989 to 93 500,000, 1991 to 1993 500,000 dead and as for 2004, 2 million dead and this is just a few quotes there are countless millions more every year all over the world.



[edit on 31/10/2004 by drbryankkruta]

[edit on 31/10/2004 by drbryankkruta]

100 or 150 thousand deaths in Iraq, whether combatant or civilian do NOT count as deaths due to terrorism. All the deaths in Rowanda and Sudan by genocide do not count as deaths due to terrorism. You continue to confuse and obfiscate the issue. Is that how one gets a little title under their avatar that declares you a "scholar"???

Originally posted by scottsquared
100 or 150 thousand deaths in Iraq, whether combatant or civilian do NOT count as deaths due to terrorism. All the deaths in Rowanda and Sudan by genocide do not count as deaths due to terrorism. You continue to confuse and obfiscate the issue. Is that how one gets a little title under their avatar that declares you a "scholar"???

Okay so a car bomb in Iraq and Kidnappings and out right murder over opposing views against terrorists groups are not terrorism , or genocide in order to instill a political objective by a militant insurgent/terrorist organization and all the drug lords who kill people to keep people quiet to prove a point is not terrorism Well Im glad your here to say all these people died for nothing then thank you for clearing that up for me ....

Un-war like killings for political views and terrorist intimidation techniques are not terrorism .....I got it now, man what a world this is anyone can justify anything as war amazing.

Murder made justified is still murder. Terrorism made war is still terrorism.



[edit on 31/10/2004 by drbryankkruta]

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Communication is a wonderful thing. One individual uses a standardized set of words, rules, grammer, punctuation, and syntax, the second individual understands the communique and responds in kind. Try it! Works great,at least when both parties follow the aforementioned rules.

Car bombs are terrorism, aerial bombing by the air-force of a sovereign nation is not. This is no mere perspective issue, but one of definition. This is not a symantic argument. If you wish to claim statistics to reinforce your point, then you must define your parameters. Genocide, though horrific, is not terrorism. Why you continue to blur the original point I make, is beyond my comprehension.

The original subject of this thread was: Do you believe another 9/11 will happen? I have no doubt that future terrorist acts will occur on U.S. soil. However, my point is that the chance of an American actually dieing in such an act is miniscule when compared to the totality of causation for premature death in this country. The culture of fear propogated by our politicos and enflamed by mass-media has distracted our populus into forgetting about real issues of greater import to all.

In a simple answer to the question:
Yes it will happen again. The question is where and when I am affraid.

[edit on 1-11-2004 by IAFthunderpilot]

Scottsquared just so as there is no confusion in syntax etc, I am going to go this way here is a list from my files of prayer requests given to me via email since the beginning of Iraq 1 thru Iraq 2 now there are only a little
under 200 accounts here so as to save space but I have more , but I hope it proves I'm fully aware of how many deaths due to terrorist NOT war, I know about. If this isnt clear enough then I will be glad to keep proving my point in the same exact manor......OOOOHHHH and one more thing these are all civilian contractors the favorite targets of terrorists for some reason, and the list does not include the ones for the last few days attacks or the military and aid workers or non military govermental employees or policemen . And if you want the names from the 3000 9/11 victims I'll get those out to.

As for the scholar title it mearly means I wish to put the same type of record and research skills into a worthy project here on ATS.

Deaths By IED and Mutilations where subject couldnt be ID'd

123 IED/Convoy hijack related
16 beheading/execution style shootings
40 where in only parts of bodies where found and cause of
under investigation

Contractor deaths by terrorists

27-Oct-2004 Schnoor, Travis---- IED attack
14-Oct-2004 Pinsonneault, John----Suicide Bomb
14-Oct-2004 Osborne, Steve---- Suicide Bomb
14-Oct-2004 Eric Miner, Eric---- Suicide Bomb
12-Oct-2004 Botha, Johan--- Convoy attack
12-Oct-2004 Campher, Louis Convoy attack
11-Oct-2004 Chadwick, Paul---- pending review
07-Oct-2004 Bigley, Kenneth--- beheading
21-Sep-2004 Hensley, Jack--- beheading
20-Sep-2004 Armstrong, Eugene---- beheading
14-Sep-2004 Engstrom, Todd---- Convoy attack
14-Sep-2004 Shmakov, Andrew--- Car bombing
14-Sep-2004 Toma, Munir Canadian Car bombing Baghdad
10-Sep-2004 Bowers, William Earl----Vehicle attack
04-Sep-2004 Mallery, John N.----Vehicle attack
04-Sep-2004 Salama (Juma?), Nasser---Execution
30-Aug-2004 Limbu, Mangal Bahadur--- Execution
30-Aug-2004 Shrestha, Gyanendra--- Execution
30-Aug-2004 Thakur, Manoj Kumar---- Execution
30-Aug-2004 Thapa, Bishnu Hari-----Execution
30-Aug-2004 Thakur, Sanjay Kumar-----Execution
30-Aug-2004 Magar, Jit Bahadur Thapa---- Execution
30-Aug-2004 Adhikari, Prakash----Execution
30-Aug-2004 Sudi, Bodhan Kumar Sah---- Execution
30-Aug-2004 Thapa, Bhekh Bahadur----Execution
30-Aug-2004 Khadka, Ramesh----- Execution
30-Aug-2004 Shrestha, Rajendra Kumar----Execution
30-Aug-2004 Koiri, Lalan Singh---- Execution
30-Aug-2004 Sadr, Yahya------Execution
30-Aug-2004 al-Gilami, Majid Mehmet---Execution
30-Aug-2004 Unknown Turkish Execution, gunshot Samarra (near) Truckdriver
24-Aug-2004 Salman, Jamal Tewfik----- Execution
23-Aug-2004 Ahmed, Beshir------Car hijacking
22-Aug-2004 Ahmad, Fahmi------Convoy attack
22-Aug-2004 Unknown Turkish Convoy attack On road btwn. Tikrit & Kirkuk Construction worker Tikrit bridge repair firm
16-Aug-2004 Pretorius, Herman "Harry"----Convoy attack
12-Aug-2004 Abraham, Eldho---IED Explosion
11-Aug-2004 Rader, Kevin----Convoy attack
10-Aug-2004 Abdel Aal (Mutwalli), Mohammed---- Execution, beheading
04-Aug-2004 Alisan, Osman-----Convoy attack
02-Aug-2004 Nural, Ferit------Convoy attack
01-Aug-2004 Yuce, Murat--- Execution
01-Aug-2004 Wagner, Robert---- IED attack
28-Jul-2004 Naeem, Sajad------ Execution
28-Jul-2004 Azad, Raja----- Execution, beheading
25-Jul-2004 Al Rusan, Marwan Zuheir ---- Not known
22-Jul-2004 Kepov, Ivaylo------ Execution, beheading
20-Jul-2004 Korenkov, Anatoly-----Convoy attack
17-Jul-2004 Nassir, Ayid-----Convoy attack
17-Jul-2004 Bayik, Abdulcelil---- Convoy attack
13-Jul-2004 Lazov, Georgi---- beheading
12-Jul-2004 Unknown Turkish----IED attack Road to Bagdad
09-Jul-2004 Unknownkish----Convoy attack Samarra (near) Truckdriver Unknown
09-Jul-2004 Unknown Turkish Convoy attack Samarra (near) Truckdriver Unknown
22-Jun-2004 Davies, Julian----Convoy Attack
22-Jun-2004 Kim Sun-il-----Execution, beheading
19-Jun-2004 Carlos, Roberto-----IED attack
17-Jun-2004 Zbryski, Walter J.---IED attack Not reported in news
14-Jun-2004 Flores, Raul-----Car Bomb
14-Jun-2004 Unknown French Car Bomb Bagdad (Al Tahiri Square)
14-Jun-2004 Poole, John-----Car Bomb Baghdad (Al Tahriri Square)
14-Jun-2004 Butler, Keith----Car Bomb Baghdad (Al Tahriri Square)
14-Jun-2004 Hoke II, Bill-----Car Bomb Baghdad (Al Tahriri Square)
14-Jun-2004 Sprague III, Rex G.---Convoy attack Baghdad
11-Jun-2004 Alyan, Hussein Ali----Kidnap/murder Iraq
05-Jun-2004 Unknown Polish Convoy attack Baghdad(road To Intl Airport) Security Contractor Blackwater Security Consultants
05-Jun-2004 Unknown Polish Convoy attack Baghdad(road To Intl Airport) Security Contractor Blackwater Security Consultants
05-Jun-2004 Dickens, Craig----Convoy Attack
05-Jun-2004 Wingate, James Gregory---- IED attack
05-Jun-2004 Little, Jarrod--- Convoy attack
30-May-2004 Tow, Bruce--- Ambush
25-May-2004 Ovsyannikov, Vyacheslav----- Convoy attack
25-May-2004 Dynkin, Viktor---Convoy attack Baghdad
24-May-2004 Carman, Mark-----IED attack
24-May-2004 Morgan, Bob----IED attack
18-May-2004 Harries, Andrew---- Convoy attack
10-May-2004 Berg, Nick----- Execution, beheading
07-May-2004 Parker, Daniel----IED attack
02-May-2004 Qaranivalu, Kelepi----Convoy attack
02-May-2004 Vunibokoi, Emori----Convoy attack
01-May-2004 Kilpatrick, Christian F.-----Rocket-propelled grenade
01-May-2004 Ugar, Cemal--- Convoy attack
30-Apr-2004 Price, Mike------IED attack
29-Apr-2004 Unknown South African Drive-by shooting Basra Construction consultant Construction company
28-Apr-2004 Reyes, Rodrigo----Convoy
25-Apr-2004 Foster, Vincent---- IED attack
25-Apr-2004 Carter, Thomas----IED attack
22-Apr-2004 de Beer, Franco---- Gunfire Baghdad
14-Apr-2004 Quattrocchi, Fabrizio--- Execution, gunshot
11-Apr-2004 Alexandru, Aron-----Convoy attack
11-Apr-2004 Frandsen, Henrik Danish Hostile circumstances Baghdad (?) Businessman
09-Apr-2004 Hulett, Stephen---- Convoy attack
09-Apr-2004 Montague, Jack-------- Convoy attack
09-Apr-2004 Parker, Jeffery----- Convoy attack
09-Apr-2004 Johnson, Tony Duane-------Convoy attack
09-Apr-2004 Fisher, Steven Scott-----Convoy attack
08-Apr-2004 Bloss, Michael John----Small arms fire
08-Apr-2004 Smith, Tim-----Convoy attack
06-Apr-2004 Manchev, Mario---- Convoy attack
06-Apr-2004 Branfield, Gray----- Small arms fire attack
03-Apr-2004 Mikha, Emad------Hostile circumstances
28-Mar-2004 McDonald, Christopher---------Convoy attack
28-Mar-2004 Bradsell, Andy-----Convoy attack
22-Mar-2004 Haapanen, Seppo------Sniper fire
22-Mar-2004 Toronen, Jorma-----Sniper fire
18-Mar-2004 Mounce, Scott---- Suicide car bomb
16-Mar-2004 Unknown German Small arms fire attack Hillah (near) Water project engineer
16-Mar-2004 Unknown Dutch Small arms fire attack Hillah (near) Water project engineer
23-Feb-2004 Cayton, Albert Luther "Al"-----IED attack Not reported
16-Feb-2004 Parks, Ray-----Ambushed
31-Jan-2004 Strydom, Francois----- Suicide car bomb
26-Jan-2004 Linderman Jr., Arthur--- Convoy attack
14-Jan-2004 Unknown Convoy attack Tikrit (near) Driver KBR (subsidiary of Halliburton)
14-Jan-2004 Unknown Convoy attack Tikrit (near) Driver KBR (subsidiary of Halliburton)
06-Jan-2004 Unknown French Small arms fire attack Falluja Contactor Unknown US company
06-Jan-2004 Unknown French Small arms fire attack Falluja Contactor Unknown US company
05-Jan-2004 Flynn, Richard----------IED
13-Dec-2003 Manelick, Ryan----- Small arms fire attack
30-Nov-2003 Kim, Man-Soo-----Convoy attack 30-Nov-2003 Kwak, Kyung-Hae-----Convoy attack
30-Nov-2003 Unknown Colombian Small arms fire attack Balad (near) Contractor KBR (subsidiary of Halliburton)
13-Nov-2003 Unknown American Small arms fire attack Balad (west of)
02-Nov-2003 Buckmaster, Roy----- IED attack
02-Nov-2003 Dyess, David----IED attack
04-Sep-2003 Rimell, Ian-----Small arms fire attack
03-Sep-2003 Gaston, Vernon------Small arms fire attack
20-Aug-2003 Unknown American Small arms fire attack Tikrit Translator U.S. Army
05-Aug-2003 Bryant Jr., Fred---- IED attack
10/14/04 Pinsonneault, John---- Suicide bomb
10/14/04 Osborne, Steve----- Suicide bomb 10/14/2004
10/14/04 Miner, Eric------Suicide bomb
10/14/04 Name not known, but presumed dead American----- Suicide bomb 10/14/2004 Security Guard DynCorp
Unknown Convoy attack Baghdad (30 mi. north) Security contractor Steele Foundation
Unknown Convoy attack Baghdad (30 mi. north) Security contractor Steele Foundation



ooooppppsss got carried away edit removed names from another file sorry

[edit on 1/11/2004 by drbryankkruta]

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If Bush is elected [for the first time] and is sagging in the polls like he was the beginning of his first term, There might easily be another 911. Something to prop up a failing presidency.
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[edit on 1-11-2004 by slank]

to the thread author sorry for the previous interuption , I simply started off here saying I thought 9/11 would happen again then scottsquared came on the scence so if my original thoughts were lost , please put me down as a yes for the answer. Again sorry for the problem.

Will another 9/11 happen? You better believe it.

But I don't feel any more or less safe, before or after 9/11.

The idea of being hit with another terror attack does not keep me up at night, nor occupy much of my thought.

Another terror attack is inevitable. This is because the govornment never has and never will have any interest in really fighting terror. if they did, we wouldnt be doing the things we do now.

But sadly, I do not care and will not care if we get hit with another terror attack. because the govornment does not care. And Americans really dont care.

If Americans woke up, and started demanding the govornment actually fight our REAL enemies instead of randomly picking off the most conveniet and least sinister of our threats, I would start caring. But the govornment does not care about the wellbeing and lives of Americans, and Americans themnselves really dont care.

I used to care, and when 9/11 hit, I had hope, that finally, the nasty truth, laid bare, for all to see, would cause us to wake up and go after the bastards, but they never did.

The govornment wants to sell us out, and have, and will, so worrying about terrorism is pointless. until someone wakes up and starts aggresively going after the real perps, like the Saudis and the extremists in the Israeli govornment and Mossad, i find worrying about it or caring to be a waste of time. if it happens, it happens.

I have actually petitioned my Senators on this issue, after 9/11, expressing my cincerns that the real villians were gonna get off scott free. If anyone really cares about the US, quit blindly nodding your head to Bush and start lobbying your congress people about the real terrorists, instead of rewarding them.

As long as Russia is missing nukes of any size and capacity after the fall of the Soviet Union.............

As long as rogue states or figure heads of terrorist organizations have oil to bargan with..............

then I don't feel safe in any populated area of the US...............

Is it logical to feel this way?............Or is my fear the product of the terrorist propoganda?........

..........or worse yet....

.....our own governments scare tactics??.............

I'm not that paranoid yet to believe that we are being manipulated in fear by our own country............I think.................I hope..............

Why is the truth so hard to find out??

Originally posted by futuretense
then I don't feel safe in any populated area of the US...............

Is it logical to feel this way?............Or is my fear the product of the terrorist propoganda?........

..........or worse yet....

.....our own governments scare tactics??.............

I'm not that paranoid yet to believe that we are being manipulated in fear by our own country............I think.................I hope..............

Why is the truth so hard to find out??

It is your God given right to feel anxioty, its called self preservation. Dont ever worry about others thoughts in this area. I wouldn't worry though because it is something that more than likely shall not have any immediate warning and will therefore be a surprise so you shouldnt suffer if it does and you take a direct hit. What if and doughts are exactly what the terrorists want dont give them yours, no worries RIGHT no worries.

Will old binnie boy and his mates in iraq try for something within the next 48 hours, or would it be better for the terrorists to play it quiet for a while?

I for one won't be flying anywhere in the next couple of weeks. heres hoping for quiet.