Senate passes Indefinite Detention Bill 93-7

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Measures Passed:

Department of Defense Authorization Act: By 93 yeas to 7 nays (Vote No. 218), Senate passed S. 1867, to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2012 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, after taking action on the following amendments proposed thereto:
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One major impact of this act is that it allows for indefinite detention of US Citizens in military custody with no charge, no trial and no oversight. I can't find the specific language that allows that, it seems the closest language to that is a double negative.

www.gpo.gov...

15 (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
16 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
17 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require-
18 ment to detain a person in military custody under
19 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
20 States.

Another quite interesting section is the identification of non-citizens with skills that the defense department may want to use.

19 SEC. 906. ASSESSMENT OF DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AC-
20 CESS TO NON-UNITED STATES CITIZENS WITH
21 SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL EXPERTISE
22 VITAL TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY INTER-
23 ESTS.
24 (a) ASSESSMENT REQUIRED.—The Secretary of De-
25 fense shall conduct an assessment of current and potential
1 mechanisms to permit the Department of Defense to em-
2 ploy non-United States citizens with critical scientific and
3 technical skills that are vital to the national security inter-
4 ests of the United States

During the Iranian revolution, Iran outsourced lethal law enforcement (employing anti-aircraft guns for crowd control) to Hezbolla when Iranian soldiers refused to engage their own countrymen.

Ah, related to Global financial meltdown? Maybe if you believe the FEMA camps are meant for OWS and Tea Party activists, and not simply for government workers to keep government running while the rest of us run out of supplies, gold and lead. If not applicable, mods please move to where appropriate.

reply to post by Dbriefed


I just hope John McCain would lose his Senate seat in 2012 its time for the war monger to go! oh and also if i recall obama has stated he would veto this bill.

Originally posted by Dbriefed
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Measures Passed:

Department of Defense Authorization Act: By 93 yeas to 7 nays (Vote No. 218), Senate passed S. 1867, to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2012 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, after taking action on the following amendments proposed thereto:
...

One major impact of this act is that it allows for indefinite detention of US Citizens in military custody with no charge, no trial and no oversight. I can't find the specific language that allows that, it seems the closest language to that is a double negative.

www.gpo.gov...

15 (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
16 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
17 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require-
18 ment to detain a person in military custody under
19 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
20 States.

Another quite interesting section is the identification of non-citizens with skills that the defense department may want to use.

19 SEC. 906. ASSESSMENT OF DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AC-
20 CESS TO NON-UNITED STATES CITIZENS WITH
21 SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL EXPERTISE
22 VITAL TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY INTER-
23 ESTS.
24 (a) ASSESSMENT REQUIRED.—The Secretary of De-
25 fense shall conduct an assessment of current and potential
1 mechanisms to permit the Department of Defense to em-
2 ploy non-United States citizens with critical scientific and
3 technical skills that are vital to the national security inter-
4 ests of the United States

During the Iranian revolution, Iran outsourced lethal law enforcement (employing anti-aircraft guns for crowd control) to Hezbolla when Iranian soldiers refused to engage their own countrymen.

Ah, related to Global financial meltdown? Maybe if you believe the FEMA camps are meant for OWS and Tea Party activists, and not simply for government workers to keep government running while the rest of us run out of supplies, gold and lead. If not applicable, mods please move to where appropriate.

edit on 2-12-2011 by Dbriefed because: (no reason given)

The middle part of you post defeats your whole arguement... Besides, it hasn't been passed fully into law, it simply pass in the senate i believe, so calm down

reply to post by Dbriefed


Feinstein amendment #1125 (limiting military custody of detainees to those captured abroad)
Feinstein amendment #1126 (prohibiting military authority to indefinitely detain US citizens)

) at least someone is trying to fix what they cant block.
Obama has promised to Veto this bill.

Originally posted by CaDreamer
reply to post by Dbriefed

 

Feinstein amendment #1125 (limiting military custody of detainees to those captured abroad)
Feinstein amendment #1126 (prohibiting military authority to indefinitely detain US citizens)

) at least someone is trying to fix what they cant block.
Obama has promised to Veto this bill.

Yes, Obama has promised to veto this bill---BUT FOR THE WRONG REASONS:

"...Let’s be very clear, though, about what the “veto threat” is and is not. All things considered, I’m glad the White House is opposing this bill rather than supporting it. But, with a few exceptions, the objections raised by the White House are not grounded in substantive problems with these powers, but rather in the argument that such matters are for the Executive Branch, not the Congress, to decide. In other words, the White House’s objections are grounded in broad theories of Executive Power. They are not arguing: it is wrong to deny accused Terrorists a trial. Instead they insist: whether an accused Terrorist is put in military detention rather than civilian custody is for the President alone to decide...."
www.salon.com...

Here it is:

The senate and any gov't has made it a goal of theirs to create, expand, and put in action laws that will sustain its "houses" and power.

Why is this?

They understand time better then anyone of us who are to busy paying attention to the 12 hour clock. Their time stretches back through out history. They know it and know it well. They understand that they are currently on a war path much like Germany in the 1930s and 40s. Already, the war that, "begun" after the 9/1, has grown exponentially. If you don't believe it why dont you look at our economy. It DIRECTLY relates to what state (state meaning and taking on all metaphysical forms) we are currently engrossed in(here in the US and globally). This is allowed to go one a) because the people are constantly distraced and b) when all money is achieved all material is achieved. When all material is achieved, man turns to the metaphysical form of money... power. (man is both body and spirit case and point)

But, "mother culture" (Read Ishmael) can't forever hold us in her womb. In economic terms the bubble is about to burst. In ATS term SHTF. People will thru invention will begin to become knowledgable about their enviroments, their surroundings. This is what has been referred to many many times as the "awakening." You can only fight yourself (because we are all human, we all call this "spaceship" home) for so long before you say your done with it . Great change is coming, for good and bad, but change none the less.

But, as I first state gov't wants to sustain its house, so they will inact and have been inacting these laws since the beginning. This is nothing new (why did europeans first travel to america?). So, I can't fear this because I understand what this "law" is. Its gov't losing grip, they are falling off their high horses one by one.

So what is the real outcome from this law? That seems to be the decision we currently faced with as a race and individuals. An epic game of Good vs Evil is being played and time is running out for both sides.

This is very dangerous and needs to be covered in the MSM (but that's not going to happen).

This is what the FEMA camps are for. American citizens are the new terrorists. They are not to be trusted, only trust government and give up your rights.

Another article here about Obama the puppet flip-flopping:

Obama’s U-Turn On Indefinite Detention Bill a “Historic Tragedy” For Rights

www.prisonplanet.com...

* Obama’s veto threat was never about stopping detention without trial of American citizens, it was about ensuring that the federal government didn’t completely hand such powers over to the U.S. military, and enshrining into law Obama’s unconstitutional policy of targeting Americans as terrorists without the legal requirement to offer any proof.