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The 16 who voted for the harsh detainee rules were Sens. Bob Casey (Pa.), Kent Conrad (N.D.), Kay Hagan (N.C.), Daniel Inouye (Hawaii), Herb Kohl (Wis.), Mary Landrieu (La.), Carl Levin (Mich.), Joe Manchin (W. Va.), Clair McCaskill (Mo.), Robert Menendez (N.J.), Ben Nelson (Neb.), Mark Pryor (Ark.), Jack Reed (R.I.), Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.), Debbie Stabenow (Mich.) and Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.). National defense hawk and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman (Conn.) also voted in favor of the tougher language.
Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
Originally posted by wayouttheredude
Didn't these clown have to swear an oath to uphold the constitution? It looks like they just voted to repeal the 4th amendment by covet means. This line being crossed the gloves are about to come off.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a supporter of the bill, has explicitly stated that the passing of S. 1867 would “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and could lead to the detention of citizens without charge or trial, writes Chris Anders of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Washington office.
Originally posted by wayouttheredude
Source:
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a supporter of the bill, has explicitly stated that the passing of S. 1867 would “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and could lead to the detention of citizens without charge or trial, writes Chris Anders of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Washington office.
This has been in the news for a while now. I read the legislation as passed and I did not find the language that provides the express authority that Senator Lindsey Graham claims in that statement unless he was misquoted I am not sure on that.
Paring out changes in existing code by referring to another previous bill for instance is outright confusion and obfuscation on purpose. Congresspersons are not immune to the human weakness of laziness. If you cram a big bill with 500-800 or more pages and have these references to other previous legislation changing meanings of various aspects of how the code is to be interpreted seems rampant to me.
This bit of code was rife with such obfuscations in rewording previous code. It makes back checking it all very cumbersome to say the least.edit on 3-12-2011 by wayouttheredude because: weird code showed up on the post
If people understand how to research a bill -- understanding that all bills must include "definitions" (in which many are cross-referenced) -- we can find a better understanding of what a bill entails.
Originally posted by wiredamerican
reply to post by FreedomKnight
The 16 who voted for the harsh detainee rules were Sens. Bob Casey (Pa.), Kent Conrad (N.D.), Kay Hagan (N.C.), Daniel Inouye (Hawaii), Herb Kohl (Wis.), Mary Landrieu (La.), Carl Levin (Mich.), Joe Manchin (W. Va.), Clair McCaskill (Mo.), Robert Menendez (N.J.), Ben Nelson (Neb.), Mark Pryor (Ark.), Jack Reed (R.I.), Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.), Debbie Stabenow (Mich.) and Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.). National defense hawk and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman (Conn.) also voted in favor of the tougher language.
So the People who Voted into Office from these states,
Pennsylvania; North Dakota; North Carolina; Hawaii; Wisconsin; Louisiana; Michigan; West Virginia; Montana; New Jersey; Nebraska; Arkansas; Road Island; New Hampshire; Michigan; Connecticut;
Are enemies of the Union of The United States of America. And they shall be punished like the south more than a hundred years ago.
Is there a war coming?
Or is this the republic that is supposed to be.