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Democrat Rep. Acknowledges Need for Voter IDs as 12 Georgia Officials Indicted for Fraud

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posted on Nov, 29 2011 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by jdub297

Originally posted by Honor93
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Let me make it clear for you: No One in this thread is calling for a separate ID just to vote. Any old one will do.
please, let me make it crystal clear for you ... the Thread Title IS calling for separate IDs just to vote and voter registration cards are already issued in every state.

my response was directed to your illogical assumption quoted in the post.


Maybe you weren't taught the difference between "voter," and "voting."

A Voter is a person; when that person marks a ballot in an election he/she is voting.

The thread is about voters having IDs.

The thread is not about requiring every person to have a separate ID for voting.

In case you have not been paying attention there are constant protests from the Democrats in particular and liberal left in general against requiring a voter to have ANY ID.

As has been noted before, in some states and situations a birth cert. and SS card are sufficient.
Why should a person not be required to prove who they are when they vote?

jw

your point exactly ????????
voters don't have to "obtain" any ID, they get one when they register, no registry, no vote.
voters have always had an ID.
what do the Democrat protests have to do with the Fraud?

perhaps you missed my previous statement about absentee ballots being addressed "Resident" ... which, in case you haven't learned yet, means ANYONE can complete it and submit it. with or without any ID.

perhaps IF you had read the story (you know, the one the OP linked), or the excerpts embedded, you would realize this is about officials tampering with absentee ballots, which btw, has NOTHING to do with voter IDs other than the state of GA claims this indictment shows a need for specific voter IDs ... with which i happen to disagree.

“What I have seen in my state, in my region, is the the most aggressive practitioners of voter-fraud are local machines who are tied lock, stock and barrel to the special interests in their communities — the landfills, the casino operators — and they’re cooking the [ballot] boxes on election day, they’re manufacturing absentee ballots, they’re voting [in the names of] people named Donald Duck, because they want to control politics and thwart progress,”
Read more: dailycaller.com...

perhaps you missed this in the opening post ...

The suspects are accused of illegally helping people vote by absentee ballot. --- snip --- The defendants include some workers in the voter registrar's office and some school board members. --- snup --- The 12 people charged are aligned with the Democratic Party.
[each snip from one of the OPs sources in opening post]

you said

The thread is about voters having IDs.
and i would disagree entirely.
this whole story inclusive of the OPs statements are about voter FRAUD committed by those deemed "officials".
several of whom happen to be Democrats.
(no wonder they are protesting voter ID)

now, my response to another posting about when IDs are required to be used such as Medicare, SS, Welfare, Bank, blah, blah, blah was answering a direct question.
Is this a problem for you?

lots of ppl function just fine without a state ID of any kind.
besides, if you are legally registered to vote, you already have a voter ID.
and for the record, in my state, Donald Duck has a BIG family.

i never said the thread was about requiring a voter ID because legal voters already have one or did you miss that part too?



posted on Nov, 30 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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How sad for you. You seem to think that since officials are respobsible for a large number of frauds, that the voters themselves should not be held to ANY standard, other than registration.

Since I wrote the OP and the text accompnaying the articles, I'm pretty sure I know what I was writing about. The 10+ others who have actually joined the discussion understand this as well.

You may want to consider the gist of the Democrat's objections, to which Mr. Davis was responding, as the key to the thread:

On Nov. 14, progressive Democratic Reps. John Conyers, Steny Hoyer, Jerrold Nadler, Keith Ellison, Steve Cohen, Marcia Fudge and Emanuel Clearer, the chair of the Congressional Black Caucus — along with representatives from several advocacy groups — held a meeting to complain about what they say is the danger posed by laws that require voters to identify themselves.


The fact that officials in some areas have found the "soft-spot" enabling them to pursue whatever schemes they think they can get away with, is a symptom of and not the focus of the "voter ID" scandal.

If people had to prove who they were when they voted, absentee, or not, it would eliminate that part of the fraud.
If officials determine to ignore the law, that is another issue entirely.

If IDs will keep the voters themselves honest, that is a victory of sorts.

The officials will have to be taken care of as each new subterfuge is exposed.

jw



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 01:58 AM
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other interpretations of your OP is their interpretation, mine is obviously, different.
sorry that's a problem for you.

voters have been "identifying themselves" since the first votes ever taken.
i don't agree with the Democrat protesters stance, sorry you do.
(leads me to think you might be voting as Mickey Mouse)

as i am a voter in a "swing" state, yes, i am aware most voting fraud is committed, perpetuated and promoted by officials. your point ??

fyi ... i don't see any danger in requiring voters to identify themselves, been doing it for eons.
and, i still don't see how indicting officials demands voter modifications.

change to the methods absentee ballots are obtained or distributed would be a good start



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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I am truly sorry for you.

Every one of my posts, including the OP, have been critical of those who oppose identification at the polls. I am firmly on the side of asking every voter to identify themselves.
Beezzer's idea of the "inked finger" is even better and would certainly prevent duplicate (and more) votes by the same person in the same election.

jw



posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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Want to see the crux of the specious argumets Davis is shallenging? Open your eyes"

A Democratic lawmaker said Wednesday on the House floor that Republican legislators around the country are purposefully trying to deny blacks the right to vote by pushing for voter identification laws
“It’s no coincidence that a disproportionate number of these affected voters come from communities of color as well as the poor, the elderly and students,” said Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), a former chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus.
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Lee is the latest Democrat to charge that laws requiring people to show a valid ID to vote are aimed at suppressing the black vote to get better results for Republicans in the 2012 elections. Republicans including Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) have said ID laws are needed because there are several examples of voter fraud, such as the discovery that ACORN was registering non-legal voters.

Last month, Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz openly accused Republicans of trying to rig the 2012 elections by passing voter ID laws.

On Wednesday, Lee charged that the ID laws would prevent 1 in 4 blacks from voting, and 1 in 5 Hispanics and Asian Americans.

Democrat says GOP trying to deny blacks the right to vote

This is the kind of falsehood generated against the simple idea that a voter should be able to identify herself.
25% of Blacks with no ID? 20% of Hispanics and Asians?
This is true only in Lee's imagination (and those of the NAACP "leadership").


NAACP warns black and Hispanic Americans could lose right to voteCivil rights group petitions UN over 'massive voter suppression' after apparent effort to disenfranchise black and Hispanic people

www.guardian.co.uk...

The hysterics only serve to prove how committed the CNC and NAACP are to paving the way to increased voter fraud.

jw



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posted on Dec, 7 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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Makes you wonder who is "promoting" the politicians to say this.

I think they're gett'in real nervous about their own jobs.

As Bare-Rack GObama's wreckord gets more exposure, look for a landslide in 2012.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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The last thing Dem/Progressive/Liberal groups desire is for voters to follow their own inclinations rather than the party dictat and instructions from their "helpers."

The only thing asking for an ID will deter is fraud, not legitimate ballots.

No one can cite an example of widespread disenfranchisement due to a requirement that voters be able to identify themselves. All they can come up with are straw man conjectures about illiterate hermits who wouold never vote in the first place unless carried to the poll by progressive" handlers bent on corrupting elections.

jw



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
Makes you wonder who is "promoting" the politicians to say this.

I think they're gett'in real nervous about their own jobs.

As Bare-Rack GObama's wreckord gets more exposure, look for a landslide in 2012.


As if on-cue, Holder's DoJ has stepped up to the plate to begin another round of the US suing states over internal matters that would have otherwise limited one avenue of voter fraud:


Attorney General Eric Holder put a lump of coal in South Carolina’s Christmas stocking on Dec. 23 when he objected to the state’s new voter ID law. By ignoring inconvenient facts and clear legal precedent, Holder showed once again that politics and ideology—not the rule of law—drive his law enforcement decisions. Given the power of the Justice Department and its potential for abuse, this should worry all Americans, particularly when that abuse has the potential to affect the outcome of next year’s election.

South Carolina passed a voter ID law that is almost identical to those implemented by Georgia and Indiana six years ago. It requires a voter to present a South Carolina driver’s license or other photo ID—a passport, military ID, or a voter registration card with a photo issued by South Carolina election officials. Even if a voter shows up at a polling place without an acceptable ID, he can still vote a provisional ballot that will be counted if he brings an ID to election officials before the results are certified. South Carolina’s law is more lenient than either Georgia’s or Indiana’s.

South Carolina and Voter ID: When Politics Drives Law Enforcement


jw



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:04 AM
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Their days are numbered.

They are go'in for the gold now.

Every little bit counts !

New jobs are created all the time !




posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Even though a local NAACP rep was sentenced to federal prison this spring in MS for vote fraud, the NAACP denies there's any such thing. Holder's whores are even now attacking SC and other states over requiring photo id to vote. The rolls they are using to buttress their complaint include 30,000 dead registered voters.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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Let's face facts for a change. Given that members of the NAACP, Democratic party and SCSJ have been recently convicted for voter fraud across the South, it is hardly unexpected that they would support rules making it more difficult to get away with it.


The most consequential election in our lifetime is still 10 months away, but it’s clear from the Obama administration’s order halting South Carolina’s new photo ID law that the Democrats already have brought a gun to a knife fight.

How else to describe this naked assault on the right of a state to create minimal requirements to curb voter fraud?

On Dec. 23, Assistant Attorney General Thomas E. Perez sent a letter ordering South Carolina to stop enforcing its photo ID law. Mr. Perez, who heads the Civil Rights Division that booted charges against the New Black Panther Party for intimidating voters in Philadelphia in 2008, said South Carolina’s law would disenfranchise thousands of minority voters.

South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson rejected Mr. Perez’s math and explained on Fox News why the law is necessary. The state Department of Motor Vehicles audited a state Election Commission report that said 239,333 people were registered to vote but had no photo ID. The DMV found that 37,000 were deceased, more than 90,000 had moved to other states, and others had names not matched to IDs. That left only 27,000 people registered without a photo ID but who could vote by signing an affidavit as to their identity.

Mr. Wilson told me by phone Thursday that he would file a challenge to the order in federal district court in January. Asked whether he felt South Carolina was being singled out, he declined to speculate on motives.

Voter ID terrifies Democrats

Eric Holder has assumed the role formerly occupied by Al Sharpton, falsely making charges of racial bias to support the Obama DoJ's racial bias in enforcement and harassment policies that work toward Obama's fraudulent re-election.

jw


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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
Makes you wonder who is "promoting" the politicians to say this.
I think they're gett'in real nervous about their own jobs.
As Bare-Rack GObama's wreckord gets more exposure, look for a landslide in 2012.
I can't wait to hear the fraudsters squeal about "no need to show ID," when poll workers are caught handing out ballots for dead people:



Video footage provided exclusively to The Daily Caller shows election workers in New Hampshire giving out ballots in the names of dead voters at multiple voting precincts during the state’s primary election on Tuesday.
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Voters in the Granite State are not required to present identification to vote. O’Keefe’s investigators were able to obtain ballots under the names of dead voters at polling locations Tuesday by simply asking for them, he said.

“Live free or die,” an election worker told one of the investigators in the video. “This is New Hampshire. No ID needed.”

Video: NH Poll Workers Hamding Out Ballots in Dead Pwoples Names
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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 07:12 PM
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The original subject of this thread, Rep. Artur Davis, acknowledged the obvious threat of unfettered access to ballots:


Video footage of undercover reporters obtaining New Hampshire primary ballots intended for people who have died may appear shocking, but it is no surprise to Artur Davis, a former Democratic congressman and vocal advocate against voter ID fraud.

The way to prevent this kind of fraud, he told The Daily Caller, is simple: Require identification at the polls. The activists depicted in the film, released exclusively to TheDC on Wednesday, did not bring any proof of identification to polling places. (RELATED: VIDEO: NH poll workers shown handing out ballots in dead peoples’ names)

“Voter fraud is common in many jurisdictions,” David told TheDC. “I’m struck by the people who forcibly argue there’s no such thing, that it never happens. Many jurisdictions are slow to purge their rolls, so people who have been dead for a number of years can still be on those rolls, and people who have died more recently are certainly on them.” (RELATED: Democrat Artur Davis speaks out [VIDEO])

A law requiring voters to present ID, he continued, “is just one more step in the transparency process.”
“You can’t cash a check, enter a lot of private buildings in Washington, D.C. and New York City without one. It’s just not a serious impediment in peoples’ lives.”

dailycaller.com...

This expose' ought to be the nail in the coffin on this debate.

jw
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