Strange dream about the speed of light.

The dream started where I was in a classroom wearing only what I went to bed wearing, which was a pair of green underwear.It seemed we were grading a test we had previously taken, but the grading process was very different than what ive ever seen as were the answers. The teacher would give our paper to the person next to us and vice versa. The questions were sometimes fill in the blank somtimes we would have to write. But we didnt have an answer sheet or anything. We had to convince the person that our answers were right. And if that didnt work the person would put an x next to it and consult the teacher. Well one of my answers had to do with the speed of light and how it was not exactly the fastest thing we know of. The girl who was looking at my paper started to look at me and laughing or scoffing. She put an x and went to consult the teacher. The teacher looked at it and said you may be right but you have to convince me. So I stood up and went to her desk and told her this. " Light isnt the fastest thing because space curves light, and the shortest point from A to B is a straight line.Space doesnt curve neutrinos because they are to small."

I thought the dream somewhat strange and thought I would share it here on ATS. im not sure if I should have put it in the science section, but it was a dream afterall.

im pretty sure space dont bend light, gravity and blackholes do. but im no physist

im pretty sure space dont bend light, gravity and blackholes do. but im no physist

Are there any physics majors out there that could calculate how much space is curving light and compare that to how much earlier neutrinos are arriving at their destination before light at CERN? Pls help because I feel this dream to be somehow important.

Originally posted by definity
im pretty sure space dont bend light, gravity and blackholes do. but im no physist

Einstein demonstrated gravity by putting marbles on a paper towel and how they made a bowl shape around the marble so I thing the curve of space is gravity if im not mistaken. anyways dont want to nit pick over words used in the dream maybe i should have said gravity instead of space to the teacher. I do know that space is curved for some reason and light curves with it.

Light cannot curve on its own. Any "curve" is caused by gravitational forces.

Also until very recently it was believed nothing could beat the speed of light, we now know that it is possible to move faster. Atleast at the sub atomic level...

reply to post by Foxy1


For a dream, the statement that space curves light is accurate enough. Gravity curves spacetime, and light follows a straight line along that curvature, so, essentially, the curvature of space does curve light along with it.

As for calculating the effect on neutrinos assuming they're exempt from this curvature, and the possibility that this could explain the OPERA results, I started working on it as soon as I read your post. The hardest part is taking variables such as altitude and location to enough accuracy to get usable data. I'm not sure if that's possible for anyone other than the scientists, themselves, to do, as they're the ones who had to account for such details in the first place.

reply to post by Foxy1


Why is your underwear green?

why would curved light be any slower than a nuetrino or slower than the speed of light that is not curved?

Just because they dont travel in the straightest line, with respect, has nothing to do with the speed of the particle itself.

Two photons leave a star, one just managed to catch the edge of a black hole while the other did not, the two photons arrive at a detector with different times. Was the second particle really slower? No, it just took a different path.

reply to post by Biigs


The speed of the neutrinos in the OPERA experiment was found by a simple distance-over-time calculation. What's being suggested by the OP is that, instead of following the curvature of spacetime like photons, neutrinos follow straight lines independent of that curvature. That would be akin to photons travelling over a hill while neutrinos tunnel through it. The neutrinos wouldn't truly be travelling faster than the photons, they just took a shorter route.

A similar solution has been presented by the neutrinos-entered-an-alternate-dimension crowd, but I'm not sure anyone has actually presented this exact solution.

Now, the legitimacy of the solution, itself... we may ask why the neutrinos we detect coming from supernovae aren't also found to be faster than light. This may be because such an effect is cancelled over vast distances, especially when the source is a different gravitational potential from that in which the neutrinos are detected.

The actual math would have to be done with precision that those of us who aren't the actual experimenters don't have access to.

Originally posted by definity
im pretty sure space dont bend light, gravity and blackholes do. but im no physist

Gravity and the gravitational effects of a black hole bend space and therefore the curved space (actually spacetime) therefore acts to bend light. And I am a physicist. For more details, read about Eddington's 1919 solar eclipse experment.
And for the person above who suggested a neutron is too "small" to bend, a neutron actually has more mass than a proton. I think maybe someone is confusing neutrons with neutrinos, which are "almost" massless, but do have some mass. Otherwise it wouldn't undergo neutrino oscillation.

reply to post by Foxy1




Cool, there have been proven scientific discoveries and other ideas which came about due to dreams:

www.brilliantdreams.com...

The tune for "Yesterday" came to Paul McCartney in a dream...

Mary Shelley's Frankenstein Inspired By a Dream

Otto Loewi (1873-1961), a German born physiologist, won the Nobel Prize for medicine in 1936 for his work on the chemical transmission of nerve impulses. "....the result of his initial dream induced experiment became the foundation for the theory of chemical transmission of the nervous impulse and led to a Nobel Prize!"

Kekulé - Dreams of Molecules & Benzene Structure. Friedrich August Kekulé von Stradonitz is a remarkable figure in the history of chemistry, specifically organic chemistry. Twice Kekulé had dreams that led to major discoveries! He had a dream that helped him discover that the Benzene molecule, unlike other known organic compounds, had a circular structure rather than a linear one... solving a problem that had been confounding chemists.

Madame C.J. Walker (1867-1919) is cited by the Guinness Book of Records as the first female American self-made millionaire. She created a mixture of herbs and other ingredients to stop her hair loss and it worked.

Elias Howe and the sewing machine. When he woke up he realized that the dream had brought the solution to his problem. By locating a hole at the tip of the needle, the thread could be caught after it went through cloth thus making his machine operable. He changed his design to incorporate the dream idea and found it worked!

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My questions are:

Are you already involved in this type of science?

Did you know what neutrinos were before the dream?

reply to post by F4guy


So far, you're the only one who's mentioned neutrons.

Neutrinos do have mass, so, yes, the statement that neutrinos are too "small" to bend is silly. Photons are massless, and they are just as subject to the curvature of spacetime as everything else. In fact, more so.
But, when we see that neutrinos are, overall, weakly interacting (they have negligible gravitational potential, no electromagnetism, and, obviously, no strong or weak nuclear interaction), the "too small to bend" statement may have a little more significance.

reply to post by Gridrebel


Im not involved in this type of work and didnt know what a neutrino was until I heard about the Experiment going on at cern on npr radio. but ive allways thought physics were really cool and that made me usually know more about them than my neighbors.

I had this dream after reading a thread on here somewhere about light manifesting out of nowhere in a vacuum. So Im wondering if that had something to do with it. or perhaps suggesting that there is no true vacuum changes the way we see the boundaries of the curvature of space. But its still strange of me to have a dream like this because I dont think I would have thought of something like that while awake.

I read the same thread, very interesting. I'd suggest you don't read ATS before bedtime, as your subconscious will process information while you sleep.

However, if you were to discover the T.O.E. in a dream, I'd love to hear about it.

I also have to ask why your underwear were green. Was that ALL you were wearing?

It seems you are interested in finding answers, so keep reading and researching. It's all we really can do.

reply to post by Biigs


Hi Al.

reply to post by thruthseek3r


read my signature

hehe I was wearing a pair of those stretchy calven klein underwear and they are naturally green. And yes It was all I was wearing so I was naked in the classroom and everyone else wasnt.

reply to post by Foxy1


Gulp!

Pics or it didn't happen.


And you didn't feel uncomfortable being semi nude during your dream? Hmm, that's an interesting aspect of your dream you haven't shared yet....