The time for peaceful resistance is up

Originally posted by Hiasyouwant
What would have been accomplished in Libya had they not been violent?

Lybia may still have their gold if they didn't let the US start a revolution in their country, but there wasn't much they could do to stop it.

If you think the revolution in Libya was about overthrowing a Tyrant, well then you watch too much CNN, Faux, and MSN... and too little Russia Today.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Hiasyouwant
If these people wanted to be taken seriously they should've rioted, stormed the banks. If those 10k people wherever stormed the HQ of Chase or something, and I'm talking burn the sucker to the ground, then I'd say rage on. I believe it would have spread like a wild fire, have been epic. A real revolution could have occurred. While I understand their would be much collateral damage, I believe the time for peaceful resistance is up. Sitting in a park absolutely accomplishes diddly squat.

I know their are a bunch of OWS threads.. Let's focus more on a fictional scenario of what would have happened had they stormed the HQ of one of these banks, all 10k of them. Would it have spread? Would it have been a good idea? Would thousands more have joined?

Let's also focus on weather or not you agree if the time for peaceful resistance is over.

What say you, ATS

Poison, that is what this is.

No
it's
not.

I agree with the sentiment that sitting in a park does not do much but draw awareness to the situation, which in itself is a good thing, but why is the alternative basically rioting? Because we've had enough, and there is no other way? No, it's because were frustrated and we want revenge on someone, or anyone, and because we give into the idea of "tearing it all down" we loose the ability to seek for a practical soloution. What i think makes more sense than protesting or becoming violent in any way is to stand up for all of these things we are fighting for on a daily basis and an individual level.

i.e: If you highly disagree with the corparate media, than try to watch less t.v, or hell throw your damned t.v out you deffinatly do not need it. Or if you are lobbying against wallstreet and big bankers, try not to use a bank and try to live a "financially minimal lifestlyle" while i realize this means you may have to eat less(but it does not mean that you will starve), than so be it. We need to seriously consider all possabilities in solving this issue, including a little self sacrafice..........even after we've lost so much already as a race.

reply to post by britelite1971


i like your love and care for the fellow human beings,the answer to your question,(why arent we voting them out?)most people dont know a one percent of goverment structure,all i ever hear is when its time to vote the president in,im talking here about low and middle class citizens.most dont know what to do,or are lost and dont even know who such people are.why is this?education system and media,the root of the problem,not the people.if you can train some one to flip burgers,you can certainly teach him how to vote,the system and so on,and keep them well informed via the media.

Forgive me for even attempting to get inside the heads of our forefathers, but what would they expect from us?

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence."
George Washington.


"Give me liberty or give me death."
Patrick Henry.

reply to post by Hiasyouwant


As well i have no doubt that if they stormed the bank HQ than the bank would have been Fu@#%d, but theres no telling how well things would go over after that, it may spread and cause people to just start rioting at any bank cause they may not fully understand. Not to mention that we'd loose alot of people in the process, because if you think the bank won't be able to fight back than it's quite possible that it may not turn out that way.

either way good post

Where's Tyler Durden when you need him?

Violent uprisings have been very effective over the centuries. The history of Mankind has been a story of increasing liberty and rising standards of living, and most of this has occurred through violent revolutions.

The Protestant movement in Europe deserves considerable credit to the Renaissance, in fact most of the credit. The American Revolution also comes to mind.

Maybe we need a Declaration of Independence against the International Corporate Bankers who seem to have taken over our planet, usurping democracy.

Due to the dirty schemes of the bankers, most people pay more in interest these days than they pay in taxes. Now that is messed up, being that the banks provide nothing, but dubious accounting methods.

The real answer would be to take out their computer data bases. Erase all debt, and most of these leveraged ownership situations where dubious organizations own large amounts of real estate. The more concentrated the corporate conglomerates become, the more vulnerable they become to an attack on their central data banks.

Heck, no violence is needed, just a well developed worm hidden in some encryption technology.

The problem with violent resistance (although I know I have promoted it) at this point is the fact that too few people today have really researched OWS and most believe the smears. I think they have the right idea by non-violently jabbing at the system for now. We can't become them... can we?

"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"

Now THATS the spirit www.youtube.com...

reply to post by bumpufirst


I think the problem with this is that, the system is so corrupt it's very possible that our votes don't count and when we think were making effective change by voting, we are really just buying into the possibly false idea that we actually dont have any say. I say this because IMO i think the voting system is rigged, and it's only there to give us the illusion of choice, another form of control. but hey call me a fringe beleiver if u want

Originally posted by facewhatly
reply to post by bumpufirst

 

I think the problem with this is that, the system is so corrupt it's very possible that our votes don't count and when we think were making effective change by voting, we are really just buying into the possibly false idea that we actually dont have any say. I say this because IMO i think the voting system is rigged, and it's only there to give us the illusion of choice, another form of control. but hey call me a fringe beleiver if u want

Your right... I for one don't believe the elections have really been 51% to 49% (or pretty close to that) in sooo many elections. BUT, regardless of whether it is literally rigged or not. The whole system has bread dishonesty. It is normal for a politician today to make 10 campaign promises, follow through on 2, and never talk about the other 8. The same politician may have flip-flopped on a dozen issues during his campaign. No true conviction or character. That is not how a true democratic republic works.

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and when you look into the past,lets say some one honest makes it in thrue the fog,what hapens?jfk, president jackson,martin l king,and others i care not to mention,they just get offed by some "crazy lunatic",not to mention the other scandles that might be fabricated on honest people triying to get there,in sum of this,they just wont let honest people get on the driving seats.simple as that.its wishfull thinking
and they know the system is outdated and shows all the holes in it,and they are waiting enough people to start rizing to that issue to ofer the solution,is were i see nwo coming in.

You know what strikes me as odd? The majority, if not all, of you that write about "no violence, violence begets violence, just vote them out, ect" have NEVER written about just how wrong it was and upset you are about how our founding father's took up arms AGAINST AN OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT.

So let me get this straight:

It was perfectly fine that SOMEONE ELSE, long ago, fought for and won, your FREEDOM.

What?

That was a another age in time? Things were 'different' back then? I beg to differ. The things they were upset about, PALE in comparison to what we are putting up with right now.

Shame on you. Spineless weaklings. What? Got no skin in the game? Got no kids that you love more than life itself? Kids that you do not want growing up WITHOUT the freedoms you did back during 'better years'?

You best figure out who in the hell you are, just what you stand for, and exactly HOW MUCH you are willing to both put up with, and most of all, what you are willing to sacrifice.

Peace............

The founding fathers of this country were labled as terrorists once. It's all in how you look at it. They were fighting for what they thought was right. But the other side saw it as terrorist acts... I can feel a revolution brewing in this country. In my 31 years on this planet I have never heard so many people talk about bringing the fight to the establishment. I don't think we should look for a reason for revolution the government will surely give us one... It's only a matter of time. I'm not promoting a revolution but if it started and it's starting to sound like we are headed that way. I will fight for what I feel is right just like our founding fathers did, and if blood needs to be shead then so be it...

Don't tread on me mofo!!

Originally posted by Hiasyouwant
reply to post by britelite1971

 

Voting? Have I tried voting? Is that a joke? Sorry no offense but I don't think "voting" is the solution to all of our problems. Vote for whom anyway? I wonder if during the American Revolution they sat there and locked arms instead of fighting. I try to be a loving being, for what? Tell me, to be a slave? We have no other alternative. It's do or die. Marching down the street has no affect to those sitting high up in towers.

Does anyone have that poll where one of the questions majoirty of guests voted that they thought thought the time was over for peaceful protests, while on the other hand ATS members were against it

And to slayer69, what if that 10k turned into 1mil? or 10mil? And thanks for that weather quirp I giggled.

Sure....no problem. Keep right on talking about the "do or die" and the violent revolution. I'm sure Homeland Security loves you! Every single thing any one of us do on the net is either tracked or trackable. Plus, how many of your ats friends are not actually who they are representing themselves to be? Did you know that it is legal for law enforcement to lie in order to get the information that they want about a suspect or potential terrorist?? Great job! Keep on typing!

Originally posted by Hiasyouwant
What say you, ATS

If they had stormed the banks, became destructive and violent, they would have triggered a governmental response that would have suppressed the movement. It is that simple.

This still may happen, and indeed it may be provoked by the government itself, but lets wait and see.

Peaceful resistance is the way. It is my plan anyway.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by bumpufirst


this is why we must remain diligent and calm and not resort to violence for it will cover our eyes and make it harder to see this NWO and we dont wanna blink and realize that our entire world has had a coupe'. It's funny, because i agree with you, but inevitably i dont based on what i posted, while at the same time i agree the system needs to come down, and it's more logical to think that it would happen via. violent revoloution.

I guess that in some way or another it will have to be unpleasant in some form, but this does not mean than we can't reduce that unpleasentness all across the board.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson

"We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln


I'm not trying to make this a forefather thread, but I think they're extremely important and relevant to this topic. If they were alive today they'd be looking at us in disgust.

The problem is that people have been brainwashed into thinking that non-violence is the only solution. Its not. Violence becomes necessary when the people at the top make sure that is the only way possible. They change the laws to protect themselves from all forms of protest, which they can simply ignore. They are under no obligation to do what the people want, even though we pay their wages and vote them into their positions, as history has shown.

Violence should be a last resort, after all avenues of peaceful campaigning and protests have failed. I mean if thats how the government works (or claim to, because we know its not always the last resort) on the world scene, surely we should play by the same rules as them domestically. But no, as usual its one set of rules for us and another for them.

But the biggest problem of all is that when violence does occur, and its looking inevitable the longer and harder we are getting screwed, there will be people who will take advantage of the situation for their own purposes, not the common good. This is the main reason that violence should be an absolute last resort, because it can easily decend into total chaos.

One thing is for certain though. When violence does start, you can bet it will be the police who throw the first punch.

reply to post by oldenough


listen, just because our forefathers did it doesn't mean it is the correct course of action, why is it wrong or "weak" to avoid voilence? because you think that a voilent revoloution is more likely to get the job done? well i think its less likely, so what now? are you right and im wrong, or am i right and your wrong? neither, they are both possibilities, and once you denounce peaceful soloutions, you automatically contribute to the inevitability of societal collapse. honestly sometimes i blame people more than "TPTB" or whatever you want to call them/it. also you shouldn't be calling people weak and spineless because they don't wanna burn it down with you, that's your opinion. you tell me to get a spine? i tell you to stop and smell the roses before someone ends up vaporizing them all because they "had" to push the button. you know not the strength of my will, and idealism, so please before you judge someone actually meet them