Historians Claim New Research Shows Oswald Acted Alone in JFK Assassination

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Few historical events have received more attention or been more carefully reenacted than the assassination of President Kennedy.

Yet as the country approaches the 48th anniversary of that tragic day in Dallas, a team of historians and retired Secret Service officers claims to have used new technology on old evidence to solidify the judgment that Lee Harvey sed nOswald acted alone.

The National Geographic Channel claims it has new research which shows that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assination of John F. Kennedy. A team led by Historian Max Holland used digital technology on the Zapruder film and a few others. one of the claims they now make is

And our conclusion is that he fired three shots in about 11 seconds, which is almost double, you know, the six seconds in Dallas meme that most people know when they think about the assassination

They also claim that this technology also shows the shadow of a person moving around the 6th floor book depository, and that this person is believed to be Oswald.

new digital upgrades allow the public to see, in the amateur footage taken that day by Robert Hughes, a shadowy figure moving about inside the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building -- a figure believed to be Oswald.

One of the things that I found interesting is that researchers are unable to obtain Oswald's tax returns from the IRS.

My personal opinion is that Oswald did not act alone, but am looking forward to watching the NatGeo Documentary this coming Sunday.

I don't think he acted alone. Frankly I don't think "he" even acted. There is some guy in prison who has basically confessed to killing Kennedy for the Mafia. I can't recall the guys name.

But anyway.. any time I see a MSM name tagged to a documentary like this I hesitate. Much like every single 9/11 film I see on things like Discovery, which basically turn out to be hit pieces.

I'm curious to watch this too though. The "shadow in the window" thing seems to be a bit of a stretch. There are also pictures circulating that show a possible Oswald outside the building during the shooting. Then again there are ALSO pictures going around that supposedly show George Bush Sr. outside the book depository.

Which is funny because I always thought that the official story was that there was only one shot fired. In fact, I remember seeing a documentary about it where witnesses said they were told over and over again "you only heard one shot".

Regardless, nobody who's psychotic enough to blow the President's brains out in front of thousands of people and with his wife in the same frickin car turns around and starts screaming about being a patsy.

reply to post by DerekJR321


His name was James Files and he is a prisoner is Statesville Correctional Center in Illinois.
Sorry tried to link his Corrections file but would not let me. Type File,James into this link.
www.idoc.state.il.us...

I have no problem believing he might have thought he was acting alone. If he ever acted at all. More defecation on a silver platter handed to us from the right arm of the establishment. The msm.

This silly historians should look this threads from this men
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck

Which is funny because I always thought that the official story was that there was only one shot fired. In fact, I remember seeing a documentary about it where witnesses said they were told over and over again "you only heard one shot".

My understanding was that there was 3(three) shots filed. One hit Kennedy and Connolly. (The so called "Magic Bullet") The next shot missed and hit a curb striking a pedestrian, and the final shot was the head shot. I believe that I read that acoustic analysis showed a fourth shot. There are members here that would know this better then me though.

"Another startling claim of the NatGeo team is that the new digital upgrades allow the public to see, in the amateur footage taken that day by Robert Hughes, a shadowy figure moving about inside the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building -- a figure believed to be Oswald.

From the source in the OP.

If that's what they're using as "proof" that Oswald was on the sixth floor at the time of the assassination, nothing but a "shadowy figure moving about," then these people are not genuine researchers of this case, IMO. Simple as that really. We already know that Oswald ran into police Officer baker on the second floor in less than 2 minutes after the assassination taking place, this backed up by Oswald's boss Roy Truly for example (who was guiding the officer up the building at the time), and at the same time some witnesses on the ground looking up at the building reported seeing a figure in the snipers nest looking out.. But Oswald simply can't have been in 2 places at the same time.

It's also worth pointing out that some witnesses on the ground claim to have seen 2 figures in this window prior to the assassination which if true shows a conspiracy, in some form or another, was taking place as Oswald was no longer a "Lone" anything.

Anyway, all they're trying to prove, from reading the provided article from the opening post, is that Oswald, acting wholly under the assumption he was the sole assassin, could have fired 3 shots in not just 6 seconds like previously thought.. but in 11 seconds which is obviously possible to do. But just because firing 3 shots in 11 seconds is possible.. that in no way whatsoever means that the person firing was Lee Harvey Oswald. So claiming that "New Research Shows Oswald Acted Alone in The JFK Assassination" is flat out wrong from what I can gather so far. And It's utterly irresponsible from these "researchers" to claim this as all they have to go on is a "shadowy figure" could be observed - something witnesses on the ground claimed, and to top it off other witnesses also claimed that 2 figures could be observed prior to the assassination.

Just my thoughts of course but this new documentary doesn't sound like anything special in my eyes. It would however be interesting to see if they mention Officer Baker, Caroline Arnold or any of the other sightings from the witnesses on the ground though, but I doubt they will.

reply to post by VeniVidi


absolutely pathetic ( not to mention insulting to anyone's intelligence) that these "teams" between researchers & the American SS would be trying to reprove this..

* the bullet recovered is intact & still on display.. along with the fragments from Connally's wrist & leg..
* Oswald's FBI number was S179 - and you cant find his IRS records?
* He was seen that day also test driving a car a reckless speeds.. & hitting head shots in other people targets at the range..
*JFK was in to separate body bags entering & exiting Air Force one..
the list goes on .. and on..




..some vague shadow in a window does not place Oswald upstairs.. period.

Nether does a close up of the Edited Zupruder film...

just release ALL on the records finally...

but no..

sealed till all guilty parties are dead & gone..

reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck

Which is funny because I always thought that the official story was that there was only one shot fired.

Nope, the official story has always maintained that 3 shots were fired. 1 completely missing the limousine, instead striking the pavement near the underpass which then threw up debris which injured witness James Tague, another shot which struck Kennedy in the upper back which further traveled to strike Governor Connolly who was sat directly in front of Kennedy, and finally the last shot which struck Kennedy in the head proving to be the fatal shot.

In fact, I remember seeing a documentary about it where witnesses said they were told over and over again "you only heard one shot".

A lot of the witnesses report the shots spaced out as such:

Shot............Shot..Shot.

In other words 1 shot could be heard, then 2 more in quick succession - the last 2 being at around the same time the head shot struck. Lee Bowers in an interview with researcher Mark Lane for example can be observed spacing the shots out like this here. But since Oswald is supposedly a "Lone assassin", firing 2 shots in quick succession using a piece of junk like a Mannlicher Carcano rifle is very unlikely to do.. It's not the easiest gun to fire from what I can gather anyway.

So maybe in the documentary you saw when witnesses were told "you only heard one shot", that's in reference to the head shot alone? So they were told that they only heard 1 shot and an echo for example.

Just a thought though of course. Do you know the name of the documentary by any chance?

reply to post by DerekJR321

There are also pictures circulating that show a possible Oswald outside the building during the shooting.

Like this.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f1aed41d3085.gif[/atsimg]

Another image can be seen here:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/28612674e7df.jpg[/atsimg]

It might be Oswald, but IMO It's much more likely to be a man called Billy Lovelady:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0e3a5a74d11b.jpg[/atsimg]

Some interesting Information about Billy:

Billy Nolan Lovelady was born in Myrtle Springs, Texas, on 19th February, 1937. He worked as a farm labourer until finding employment in the Texas School Book Depository in December, 1961.

On 22nd November, 1963, Lovelady was working on the 6th Floor of the Texas School Book Depository. He was sitting on the steps outside the building when President John F. Kennedy and his motorcade went past. He told the Warren Commission that the shooting came from "that concrete little deal on that knoll". Afterwards, Lovelady and his friends ran towards the Grassy Knoll but they went sent back by the police in that area.

Later it was discovered that Lovelady appeared in a photograph taken by J. W. Altgens at the time the shooting took place. Some researchers have claimed that the photograph was of Lee Harvey Oswald rather than Lovelady. This issue was looked at by the House Select Committee on Assassinations. They claimed that the man in the photograph was Lovelady and not Oswald.

Billy Nolan Lovelady died in January, 1979, during the HSCA hearings.

(Source)

You never know though I guess.

Originally posted by VeniVidi
reply to post by DerekJR321

 

His name was James Files and he is a prisoner is Statesville Correctional Center in Illinois.
Sorry tried to link his Corrections file but would not let me. Type File,James into this link.
www.idoc.state.il.us...

edit on 11/18/2011 by VeniVidi because: (no reason given)

Yeah thats the guy. This site I'm linking below has some very interesting information on him.

jfkmurdersolved.com...

I've watched all the videos of his interviews and his story is very interesting. The way his account of what happens lines up with events that day are eerie. He could just be a nut job telling stories, but I know they have researched his claims and he was in fact tied to certain people who were involved or at least under suspicion.

It's worth a look. Much more so than the MSM "shadow in the window" account

reply to post by Rising Against


Are those three pictures taken together? if so the one on the left has been subject to manipulation, no shadow, accentuating sticky out ears, or is the one on the left meant to be LHO with the same profile.

reply to post by VeniVidi

You know there are also claims Bin Laden was behind 9.11 attacks. Emphasis on they.

It is interesting to see coherent theory but theories is the closest we can get to.

The truth, You know the thing that is out there.

Originally posted by VeniVidi
reply to post by DerekJR321

 

His name was James Files and he is a prisoner is Statesville Correctional Center in Illinois.
Sorry tried to link his Corrections file but would not let me. Type File,James into this link.
www.idoc.state.il.us...

edit on 11/18/2011 by VeniVidi because: (no reason given)

That's interesting when you think who would be 'driving cars in a reckless manner' Files/Hutton was a racer, LHO took taxis.

Another attempt by NatGeo to try and sell the LHO killed JFK theory these documentaries always seem to pop up around the anniversary of JFK's death.I'm gonna watch this just to see how they try and convince all of us.

reply to post by smurfy


It's 3 different pictures of Billy Lovelady added together in order to show how similar he looked to Lee Harvey Oswald.

if so the one on the left has been subject to manipulation, no shadow, accentuating sticky out ears, or is the one on the left meant to be LHO with the same profile.

But I can clearly see shadow behind him in that picture though, lol. His ears don't look particularly weird to me either admittedly. When a picture of a person is taken using a white background, such as the one you say has been manipulated, I think most images look particularly faked in some way or another for whatever reason. It doesn't necessarily mean they have been though.

Well, I literally just finished watching "JFK: The Lost Bullet" for the first time and my first thoughts are I'm maybe quite predictably a little disappointed with it.

Sure to give credit where credit's due I think the work done on the film's were great, and there's no doubt that more work, time and effort needs to be done on them. But from reading many articles about this documentary before watching I was given the impression there would be little doubt that we could at the very least be able to see a figure in the 6th floor window, especially from the Hughes film but nope, not even slightly close. All we could see was a brown blob which we could pretty much see before the work on the film was done. Hardly conclusive of anything really, just a confirmation that "something", whether it be a person or boxes, was there - and that's coming from someone who believes a figure was in fact there and shooting from that location, but nope, it's certainly not conclusive from this documentary.

It was also very annoying how they kept referring to it as Oswald, not even bothering to try and take a neutral position. The impression I for one got was they, particularly Max Holland, the one making this documentary, was that they believed Oswald was the shooter and that was that. Nothing else was possible. The mere possibility of someone else being involved was not even considered for a second. A frustrating approach most definitely.

One thing I also wasn't too keen on and thought was perhaps a little bit patronizing was how they kept referring to people who may believe anything other than the warren commission's final conclusions as "The Conspiracy Theorists", but I guess that's to be expected with these kind's of documentaries. I actually almost felt like I was watching JFK: The Ruby Connection all over again in fact.

All in all, and like I said, I'm pretty disappinted with this documentary. They were waaaayy too quick to claim something has been debunked when it certainly was not, this much more frustrating when they went onto say "of course this will never satisfy the conspiracy theorists" and they also provided nowhere near enough information when needed. They also left out lots of information which, quite conveniently perhaps, makes their theories that little bit harder to believe. Take what I said in one of my last posts in this thread for example:

It would however be interesting to see if they mention Officer Baker, Caroline Arnold or any of the other sightings from the witnesses on the ground though, but I doubt they will.

Yep, I called it alright. There was not a single mention of Police officer Baker and when he saw Oswald in the building, nor is there a mention of anyone else who saw him such as Caroline Arnold for example before the assassination, and of course they failed to mention any of the witnesses who reported seeing more than 1 figure also. This among other key information coming from figures such as Lee Bowers for example, and the length of time between shots, particularly the last 2, that has to be considered yet was not.

The most surprising part of the documentary, for me anyway, was near the ending where Max Holland tried to claim that the first shot hit a traffic light above hundreds of witnesses, this being which caused the extreme miss that went onto strike James Tague near the underpass.. but how on earth can a bullet from a high powered rifle hit a traffic light, which was meters away from hundreds of witnesses remember, and have none of them notice it? It's very far-fetched and I don't see how it can have any truth to it in all honesty. He doesn't even address this issue.

All in all I'm not impressed and I felt they were patronizing and left gaping holes, but maybe I'm just being too skeptical here, I'm not sure. I'd be interested to hear what others thought on this documentary..

It is also easy to see the cover up plan of these Foreign Agents, as it was expressed by Lord Bertrand Russell, who basically started the Manhattan Project.

Author Donald Gibson exposes the Royalists cover up plans on their part of the JFK assassination by continual blame it on the CIA or the US Govt. Do that will a thousand books, on the Internet, and mask the real story with that noise.

In the Donald Gibson Interview for the URL below you find out more of the truth on the Foreign Intelligence methods to cover up who was behind the JFK hit:

www.larouchepub.com...



JFK was a Rosevelt oriented politician and like FDR, JFK knew the problems the Royalists were causing in trying to control the US. The Royalist took control over America with their Prince Bernhard's methods that were set up by UK's Victor Rothschild. They went into the rich areas of Texas wealth surrounding the 8F group there that involved persons like HL Hunt and other extremist capitalists that sought fascist control over America.

The Rockefellers were already supporters of the Royalist's European agenda against the US, and Rockefeller set up Robert Welch and the John Birch Society to push around US Foreign Policy for the Foreign Interest Royalists. Dallas HL Hunt was a raging JBS member along with General Walker. These two played a ring leadership role on Dallas to have JFK killed.

They were well associated with the Foreign Interest issues to affect US Foreign Policy with Cuba. They used Rockefellers United Fruit connections, and they had the larger Foreign Intelligence and Espeonage connections with Prince Bernhard's PERMINDEX. This system invaded the US via Clay Shaw in New Orleans, Ferenc Nagy in Dallas, John DeMenil in Houston and even Louis Bloomfield in Montreal Cananda and his connections with FBI Div 5, and Defense Industry's DISC. This Foreign Interest Connections joined up with the corrupt Texans that JFK was beginning to tear down. LBJ, Hoover, and lots more were in big troubles as JFK spotted their secret networks trying to fight against his Peace Plans.

JFK visited Dublin, Ireland and even Berlin Germany and was snubbing these European Royalists, and the only ones that didn't like JFK were these Catholic hating Royalists involved with the UK's rule and church. For these Foreign Intelligence types, JFK was a Communist, because he wanted to make Peace with Russia and Cuba and JFK had spotted how this group was meddling in his Peace Making. Even LHO turned against this Royalist Foreign Intelligence system mergers into the US, and LHO was on the same side as JFK in resisting the Fascists control over America.

In order for these Foreign Intelligence Royalists to win their take over the US from within, they had to kill JFK and JFK supporter LHO.
What everyone sees in most of the JFK reseach is all too many authors working essentially for the Royalist's plans that are told by Lord Bertrand Russell's cover up games. Many of the cracks in the Foreign Royalists take over game of the US stem from LHO's best friend George de Mohrenschildt, GD, who was a White Russian Spy for the German's Gehlen Organization. LHO in his mission to Russia came to live in the Minsk area, which was how LHO became so good at the White Russian accents and GD was impressed by his articulate White Russian accent.

George deMohrenschildt was very close with John DeMenil who ran Netherland's Corporation Schlumberger oil services with connections around the world and served the same purposes for PERMINDEX as Rockefellers United Fruit connections served for the CIA. John DeMenil was a Board Member for PERMINDEX and worked many of the old OSS methods in Europe against the NAZIs, this associating him with many more of the PERMINDEX main members in Europe, Mantello, Rosenberg, etc. You can see some of those old associations from this URL

www.larouchepub.com...

We know GD fled the US to Haiti for fears of being drawn up in the needs of this corrupted PERMINDEX group running in Houston and Dallas to set up LHO as the sole assassin for JFK. One of the problems was GD knew too much and the PERMINDEX crooks knew that he knew, both about why they sent LHO to Russia and that they intended to use LHO in a plot to kill JFK.

They harrassed GD with moving his car around and leaving threatning notes. They eventually killed GD as he was being drawn into testimony to a commissions on the JFK assassination. GD's information would have blown a bigger hole in the real Foreign Intelligence Plot to kill JFK than Dorothy Kilgallen's information that was leaked from Jack Ruby. All these murders stem from this Foreign Intelligence connection taking power over the US, and these long list of murders from MLK to RFK are the same sinister group trying to control the US using methods just like the CIA's.

When anyone makes this last association in the JFK assassination and learns about the extensive involvement of PERMINDEX in the US and its eventually absorption into the Rockefeller World Trade Center, one then knows why the WTC became a high profile target of other Foreign Interests resisting the Royalists/PERMINDEX type games for world power and domination.

Time to let the cat out of the bag for the bad guys for the JFK assassination, and the bad guys were the Fascist Designing Royalist's of Europe centered around the Prince Bernhard games for these Royalists and set up by Victor Rothschild of the UK.

Then you get to see all the players designing to kill Catholic JFK for being a Peace Maker and returning Freedom to America.