Obama and Company offer another Swipe at the 2nd Amendment

This lasted about as long as last years remanufactured ammo defacto ban:

Under fire from gun owners concerned about draft guidelines that could limit areas for target practice on western public lands, the Interior Department today said it would make sure shooters still have access to lands long available for firearms recreation.

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reply to post by macman


How would someone know where not to go if it wasn't roped off?

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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How would someone know where not to go if it wasn't roped off?

I guess common sense just doesn't apply to all.

My expectations for others must be too high.

Stay in Jersey, as I fear if you venture out West, you will hurt yourself without the safety of Govt barricades and signs everywhere warning of signs ahead that warn you of danger ahead.

Originally posted by SG-17
Go to a local shooting range or gun club if you want to target shoot. Shooting on public lands where anyone could just walk by and catch a stray bullet is irresponsible.

You've never been to places like New Mexico, have you? Lots of public land here where there is ZERO chance of anyone walking by. You're far more likely to have someone "just walk by" at a gun range here.

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unless it's hunting grounds, this makes sense. How could it be safe or healthy to be shooting there? Someone might be hiking by your untitled test range.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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unless it's hunting grounds, this makes sense. How could it be safe or healthy to be shooting there? Someone might be hiking by your untitled test range.

edit on 17-11-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

It is all hunting, hiking, camping and open grounds.
That is the point.
For someone that backs Ron Paul, you do no justice by turning around and wanting more Govt control.

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It's not government control. It's way you can prosecute someone. Most of these laws getting passed are not to increase control. They are simply to have additional charges to lay on someone. That way accidental murder can get a few more years in prison if it breaks another law.

It's a matter of perception. In court, it gives backing to the prosecutor to make the defendant seem more dumb and less worthy of freedom.

Granted this is not good. I myself view the law as guidelines, not strict codes. Simpy put, you should be able to avoid being charged for murder, if the murder in question was, say, in anger at finding out your uncle was doing bad things to your daughter. Granted we call them crimes of passion, but if the law was merely a code of ethics ad guidelines for a good citizen, rather than a rigid entity that is automatically illegal if you break it, I feel the freedom and good purpose will be able to create innovation and good citizenry, without fear of repercussions, should your actions be just. Imagine if a court was where the defendant had to convince, rather than status of innocence, a status of good citizenry and just action. Adds some soul and humanity to the law. Though this borders on democracy, and the judge serves as the wise living law to speak of the law of the land. A sort of neutral arbiter to remind the people of the law, least emotion and popularism of the mob take over.

This is ridiculous!

I always use public lands to shoot!

If this passes they will bring hell upon them, Ill be a part of that hell!

There are several things government should not toy around with.

When they start taking away gun rights, They are playing with fire... They might get burned.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher
Then we are at an impasse and no one uses the land, we are all citizens. If we vote then it is a democracy.

So let me get this straight they want to take away our right to bear arms? Really diminishing our Constitution once again, and still the U.S. Government will still be trafficking guns to Mexico so the cartels can get their weaponry. While we have ours taken away? Obama is really becoming desperate...Another tangible fact why we need someone to stand up for our Constitution Ron Paul!

I will say, I have been yelling this for weeks now. All of the public support and banter leveled against the 1st Amendment right of the OWS movement in the name of public safety have now, as predicted, been turned against the 2nd Amendment. NOW will you listen? Get out and join the movement against TPTB before it is too late.... they will start painting gun owners as psycho hillbillies and para military whack jobs in the name of public safety. Just the way they are doing it to OWS now... they will try and pit the left against the right again, like they are doing now, while they raid the world gold supplies. THEN, wehn the movement is ridiculed and scorned to its limit and unable to voice the issues that are affecting YOU because your ridicule and scorn wore them down.., they will come for your stash of food and weapons in the night, when you are alone.

Those of us presently putting ourselves out there for the 1st Amendment right to call TPTB on their awful, invasive, evil works have been liberated from our encampments and find, ironically, that we like it BETTER now that we are mobile and clandestine. We can blend in and survive if we want to. We are not digging in, we are blending in now... it's gonna be a hell of a lot easier for TPTB to identify you crouched down in your bunker than it is for them to identify me typing away at my desk job...

You have a chance to support us as we fight for your rights NOW, BEFORE the 2nd Amendment falls by the wayside. The principles applied to the rights of free speech and assembly now apply to the right to bear arms. They feel they have the right to dictate where, when and to what duration your rights to bear arms exists...even on PUBLIC land now. You have your rights, they just want you to express them in very, very narrow parameters.

OK another prediction:
OWS has been given sanctuary in churches across the country. Will you wait until churches are raided by the Stasi or will you be stand up and make some noise? This is not a partisan issue.There is room for everyone across the spectrum that feels their rights are beig violated. Its gonna be too late soon....

I hate to keep bringing it back to the Occupy Movement, but things are not going well for us right now and this is a good vehicle to unify against the tyranny that is gearing up to enslave us. Your 2nd Amendment rights are better protected in mass than they are privately.

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Perhaps in your case enhancements on Govt control may not be a bad idea as you are so quick to defend no protections while not allowing for any area to be designated as a "live fire ammunition zone" which makes what you are saying a farce and you a hypocrite as you are so misguided and misdirected as to what function Govt should serve it's not even funny and downright disturbing! Being quick to attack me while offering no solution or compromise at all proves that you should not be trashing anything or anyone without offering any alternatives!

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Tying this to OWS is about the most absurd thing I think I have ever read or heard of.
No, OWS does not represent me, nor the people in regards to this issue.

OWS is busy protesting Banks and Business. Camping in cities and making themselves out to be crazy useful fools.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Perhaps in your case enhancements on Govt control may not be a bad idea as you are so quick to defend no protections while not allowing for any area to be designated as a "live fire ammunition zone" which makes what you are saying a farce and you a hypocrite as you are so misguided and misdirected as to what function Govt should serve it's not even funny and downright disturbing! Being quick to attack me while offering no solution or compromise at all proves that you should not be trashing anything or anyone without offering any alternatives!

edit on 18-11-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

Blah Blah Blah.

If the land is Public use, then it is public use.
If you are too dumb to hear and view people actively shooting, then you really should just stay indoors.
Next, I suppose you will back legislation banning rattle snakes in these areas, because you know, they can kill people.

I do not need Govt rules to dictate common sense. Maybe you do. SO, again, I plead, for your safety, stay in Jersey. Do not venture West. You will not have the all the beloved warning signs once off the beaten path, so you are set for doom and peril.

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While I too agree with not instituting more laws, but looking at the act and punishing accordingly, this is a new law proposed.
Need to re-read it.

reply to post by macman


So I guess those who don't have guns should just stay out of our national parks right? That is what you are saying, with no predetermined area whereas live fire ammo can be shot without having to risk injuring someone as all I'm saying is to have some signs posted saying something like :

"Danger - You are about to enter a live fire zone, use extreme caution and please remain safe. Open daily from 9a - 5p. Enter at your own risk during the times posted and always remain safe and enjoy your stay at (insert park name here) and have a nice day!"! Post these every like 200 ft and you are good, plus add the layout of the shooting range to the maps and have advisories posted at the info kiosks and the front gate and you are good.

THIS IS NO DAMN THREAT UPON THE 2ND AMENDMENT! The Constitution in this case does not trump COMMON SENSE!

Imagine going to a local public pool and not having the warning labels posted anywhere, or going to a gas station just to discover that the "No smoking, no fuma around pumps" signs removed and discarded? Imagine how many more idiots would be lighting up when filling up?

Something about this nation becoming "Lawsuit Happy" which in return drives up insurance costs which in return drives up prices. Most Federal parks are free, if lawsuits happen on a regular basis they will have to charge a door fee in order to finance lawsuits.

Until you actually understand logic, common sense and actually begin to live in reality instead of some half concocted fantasy I will not take you seriously nor consider you to be "intelligent"!

Regulations order those who are going hunting to wear bright arse orange reflective flack jackets so that they are seen. Using your twisted logic, it'll be just a matter of time before someone is allowed to entre the Statue Of Liberty or The White House with a loaded weapon, should that be allowed as well? How about we open up a shooting gallery inside of a shopping mall with no secure zones? What about one in a transit centre? A schoolyard? You see now the slippery slope that you half brained plan starts?

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You can still hunt if you have a hunting licence, and fire a gun on your own property...but it should be blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain that allowing people fire their guns on public grounds is ridiculously stupid because it's PUBLIC land. If someone's shooting on that land, it isn't public any longer because it's kinda not safe for the PUBLIC to go there.

This law makes perfect sense, and is one of the few things Obama does right.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


Nope, never said that.
You just want warm and fuzzy signs posted everyone stating what common sense should be telling you.

Stay in Jersey. You seem very comfortable there.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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You can still hunt if you have a hunting licence, and fire a gun on your own property...but it should be blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain that allowing people fire their guns on public grounds is ridiculously stupid because it's PUBLIC land. If someone's shooting on that land, it isn't public any longer because it's kinda not safe for the PUBLIC to go there.

This law makes perfect sense, and is one of the few things Obama does right.

Don't need a hunting license for some hunting.
And no, PUBLIC means use for all, not excluding some.
Just because you don't want to be near firearms, does not mean you are thus excluded for the area. That is your choice.
No more stupid then allowing people to make their own decision to go rock climbing without any training, or hiking without the proper gear or so on.

reply to post by macman


What about to those who can't read or can't see? What do they do? Attacking me proves that you have no argument and have to resort to character assassinations and below the belt hits because you cannot challenge me on really anything as I am far too smart, too competent, too good for you to attempt to defeat.

Hook, line, sinker, SUNK!

Shooting ranges should not be in public parks.