Hypnotic regression to recover missing time

Agreeing that we are dealing with a psychologist who would not bring any influences to the situation, I am referring to the UFO abductions with moving vehicles while the persons involved are awake and driving. Educated skeptics say hypnotic regression in these cases is falsified because people aren't able to distinguish memory from reality while in a trance. When someone saw a UFO shoot a beam of light down over a car, and the occupants of the car experienced a complete loss of time for two hours and ended up having strange marks on the back of their necks, they only are able to discern the loss of time and the physical evidence that something had happened. A psychologist comes in the picture because it is evident there is emotional response that cannot be mentally dealt with, so the psychologist lies the patient down on a couch to calm down, then the psychologist kindly asks him or her to remember what happened during the piece of time that was realized missing. Why is it thought that these people are going to make up an event of fantasy when can see that they displayed the very essence of why they had an emotional response, which was the psychologist's job so it can be dealt with.

reply to post by greyer


Kind of reminds me of the Betty and Barney Hill case. Which was one of the first abductions that dealt with loss of time and evidence. Barney's strap to his leather hand bag was torn and as far as he could remember it wasn't before the abduction. Betty also, through various hypnosis sessions eventually gained memory of almost the whole event. She backed her story until she passed away, why would someone make something up then continue to lie about it after so many years? Barney never really remember anythign through his sessions.

Also Betty was shown a starmap of Zeta Rec 1 which later on scientists verified as a actual system. At the time they didn't know it was a acual system.

reply to post by greyer


In short, it is a Catch-22 for any professional in mental health or even in metallurgy. Espousing views contrary to the herd is a career killer except for the few brave professionals that have had experiences themselves and know some aspect of the real truth of the matter. One of those brave professionals is Dr. Leo Sprinkle, former head of Counseling at the University of Wyoming in Laramie. Because of his outspoken views, he was eventually forced out and retired. But he has been of immense service to the abductee community. The late Dr. Mack of Harvard was another individual willing to understand a phenomena that defied current understanding and expectations and take the heat of his colleagues..

The simple answer is that professionals are rigidly trained in their professions to follow the rules of Science. If they are not in a position to actively examine or change the rules they were taught and with which they work, they must ignore, deny or explain away phenomena and processes that they come face to face with that run totally counter to everything they believe in.

Throw in the factors of peer pressure, funding, grants, university chairs--in a word, careers--and you can understand why at-large professionals of all types are disbelievers in (or not admitting to) UFOs. Add the complete backing of the government's public statements on UFOs and a major portion of the public's mind and they dare not swerve from the conventional views.

Unless I'm misreading the OP, you're equating telling someone to relax with hypnotizing them. They are not the same thing. Hypnosis is more than relaxation, it's a state of mind in which the person cannot differentiate memories of events from emotionally impacting programs they saw on television, stories they read in a book, or dreams they had the night before.

Moreover, hypnosis is really good for behavior modification.

Since your memories are you, what's being modified here... is YOU. You now think these hypnotically retrieved "memories" are your life. That isn't to say something highly strange, paranormal, or even alien did not occur during missing time. It is to say, whatever was pulled out of you probably ain't it.

Putting those facts together, that hypnosis has been used at all in abduction research since the mid-90's when this was concluded through study after study to the effect that no criminal court in the Western world admits hypnotic testimony anymore, should be considered criminal negligence, in my opinion.

reply to post by Aliensun


It should be pointed out that the Hills weren't just being seen by any psychologist, but actually the leading military psychologist of the day.

reply to post by Gazrok


Not just one but many different ones as well.

-SAP-

reply to post by greyer


The problem with hypnotic regression is this...

Lets say I put you under hypnosis and ask you to remember an abduction yet you have never been abducted, because I am asking you this, your sub conscience will create a scenario in your mind and you would tell me I have been abducted along with all the details of what had happened.

The other problem is, if I was to hypnotise you and ask you what happened during the missing hours, you are unlikely to come out with anything other than I do not know if you could not remember.

A person has to be lead along a path to remember an event but in doing this, the person who is leading the journey in the mind is actually influencing you by jogging your memory in any way.

An abduction story cannot be proven or not using hypnosis.

I know as I hypnotise people for a living, not to be confused with hypnotherapy however as that is something that is often grouped with hypnosis and is quite different.

I think it was amazing that in 1961 we had an abduction so unique as Betty and Barney Hill. Interesting that the contactees beforehand made so much publicity, it was all fun and games until something happened that was such a shock it took 5 years to reach the papers. We have Betty under hypnosis talking about what was discovered in the early 80s. It was this case that made it possible for researchers to believe, I think the hardest thing for anybody is to believe that they have such a technology but I doubt beings all the way from another world would not have the ability to demonstrate 'other worldly' traits.

David Jacobs is aware, and David admits that there aren't many real abduction researchers. He is another colleague and friend of the late Budd Hopkins, who was the most amazing UFO researcher because he first solved the puzzle of why the aliens were here in the early 80s. David admits there are many problems with regression, and there are very few researchers who know the tools to get to real information which is very possible and the reason why it was created and used originally by the psychologist, so he is coming out with a book with a step by step process. David also states that his patients are not in a trance. We have a seperate account of a scientist finding an underground base and what was found inside matched. Dr. Leo Sprinkle is someone who would know the answers to what was happening in detail.

While I am not saying that there have never been abductions, I do think that regression therapy involving aliens suffers from the same shortcomings that let to the Satanic Ritual Abuse phenomenon to be declared false.

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Some people cannot handle the truth, plain and simple. Denialists cannot mentally handle anything that may have serious negative conotations.

I strongley suggest anyone interested in this subject see the following dramatisation of actual events which includes actual videotapes of abduction regressions etc.

The Fourth Kind


Enjoy and beware Owls are not what they seem when remembered from dreams and night!

Kind Regards,

Elf

I have been learning hyponsis methods. I am writing a script for myself thonght and tommorow if I have time to finish it this weekend. I suppose I could find somewhere to upload it and post it here for ATSrs. Its just a self hypnosis script. I could write another for ATSers if people let me know what kind of thing they want maybe some regressive self hypnosis they can tape or video themselves talking, or possibly something to help open ones mind to exercise it

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
I strongley suggest anyone interested in this subject see the following dramatisation of actual events which includes actual videotapes of abduction regressions etc.

The Fourth Kind


Enjoy and beware Owls are not what they seem when remembered from dreams and night!

Kind Regards,

Elf

The Fourth Kind's marketing campaign was found to have made up a great deal of the claims in that movie, including setting up a fake news site to corroborate it's data (which is subsequently was sued, and lost, over.) That didn't make it any less scary for me when I watched it. I had to sleep with the lights on, and blinds closed that night!

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is some classic footage, it doesn't appear to be she is describing something of fantasy. Something indeed strange happened to her in the 70s after driving home from a bingo game.



Shortly after all the abductees came out to the forward there was a live show on TV that aired a government official. He said a lot of things, some of them reported by other UFO researchers and some of them appearred to be leads of disinformation. One thing that is striking is that he said in reality that a sort of agreement was made between the US government and aliens. The agreement is that the aliens did not want themselves to be revealed and they were given a base that was controlled in total by ETs. He says that he personally feels the info should be given to the public, but admits there is a small amount they learned which should not. I think through hypnosis we have discovered those tid bits of information.

reply to post by Equidae


Exactly

And also what would you expect to be the case that was "spun" if it happened eh?

Just owls lol ?

Between NSA, FBI, Lawyers, Courts, and the fourth kind, oh and of course Owls,

I really do believe what is accepted from the outcome, as you pointed out,

Not.

Anyhow it is a tad creepy, as you say, however and ive seen NO proof the footage as displayed as real, (police, Psychologist tapes) are fake,

Please provide an link thanks :-) (as far as I am aware an foi request was made for the police car footage?)

Kind Regards,

Elf

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by Equidae

 

Exactly

And also what would you expect to be the case that was "spun" if it happened eh?

Just owls lol ?

Between NSA, FBI, Lawyers, Courts, and the fourth kind, oh and of course Owls,

I really do believe what is accepted from the outcome, as you pointed out,

Not.

Anyhow it is a tad creepy, as you say, however and ive seen NO proof the footage as displayed as real, (police, Psychologist tapes) are fake,

Please provide an link thanks :-) (as far as I am aware an foi request was made for the police car footage?)

Kind Regards,

Elf

Those pieces of footage are fakes. Every person who appeared in the film were listed in the credits as actors. I am not referring to the recordings played during the credits. If you look at the production section on the link below then you'll see it says:

"All the "original documentary footage" was shot by the filmmakers as part of the production. All the people in the "original documentary footage" were paid actors. The "real" Dr. Abigail Tyler is played by actress Charlotte Milchard. Dr. Tyler is not based on a real person."

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Equidae


Yes im sorry,

It is me not getting across what I am trying to say,

As you say in the credits,

And also to protect the innocent, it was stated that the dramitisation of the events was taken from original footage, though I am aware of the later legal action etc.

What I am still awaiting in my impatience is an explanation of any validity of what really happened, and also rather than your response may portray, an sequence of very unusual, and interrelated events happened, well beyond the norm...

Ive seen no solid denial of that or also no explanation, and we must remember a GIRL well now adult is still missing.

WHERE is she?

Where are all the people who vanish, go missing every year? (besides those who run, or do the tragic)

So if even a part of it is true, imho its a very big deal, very big indeed.

Something was going on in "Nome" and who knows maybe still is?

ATS?

Its an thought, and im very pen indeed to the whole incident and indeed "painting" over of the event afterwards... maybe all those who support that to.

I read much when younger on this subject, and Mack, if you spend the hundreds of hours to read his case notes, interviews (available) (in this field), before seeing this film, then checking what can, imho leaves you in NO doubt.

Kind Regards,

Elf

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by Equidae

 

Yes im sorry,

It is me not getting across what I am trying to say,

As you say in the credits,

And also to protect the innocent, it was stated that the dramitisation of the events was taken from original footage, though I am aware of the later legal action etc.

What I am still awaiting in my impatience is an explanation of any validity of what really happened, and also rather than your response may portray, an sequence of very unusual, and interrelated events happened, well beyond the norm...

Ive seen no solid denial of that or also no explanation, and we must remember a GIRL well now adult is still missing.

WHERE is she?

Where are all the people who vanish, go missing every year? (besides those who run, or do the tragic)

So if even a part of it is true, imho its a very big deal, very big indeed.

Something was going on in "Nome" and who knows maybe still is?

ATS?

Its an thought, and im very pen indeed to the whole incident and indeed "painting" over of the event afterwards... maybe all those who support that to.

I read much when younger on this subject, and Mack, if you spend the hundreds of hours to read his case notes, interviews (available) (in this field), before seeing this film, then checking what can, imho leaves you in NO doubt.

Kind Regards,

Elf

edit on 19-11-2011 by MischeviousElf because: ego denial

Is there any way to verify that the girl even existed? I am not trying to say that abductions don't happen, it just seems that the movie and the marketing campaign try to present this as real in order to get people into the theaters. It is in the film companies' best interests to be vague or misleading about the truth of this film.