Whales Stranding and Earthquake Connection

Originally posted by Dalke07
reply to post by AlertInMi

 

I tell you go buzz out from my thread, are you deaf ..

As a matter of fact, I am deaf, but my lack of hearing does not affect my reading skills. Did you mean "Are you blind"? OR are you angry AND psychic?

It's my right to tell you leave my thread, I cant speak with persons what don't understood subject and things to trying to be smarter and post on every kind subject ..

Very simply.... It IS NOT your right, to tell people where, what or when to post here on ATS. Get that through your head, first and foremost!

Post somewhere else my English is not good for discussion and is lost time anyway ..

I will post elsewhere, but will continue to post here.. Because it is my right!

Your English is not good?? No, really?

If we go back to where this all began, it was a simple statement by Chad, stating that BEFORE, deciding that this is the cause, it might be pertinent to look into the amount of whales beached annually, along with the earthquakes annually... When you look at the #'s it is obvious the two are NOT related. Sorry, but it is true.

Can you do any more psychic tricks?

Originally posted by Dalke07
reply to post by Chadwickus

 

Please leave my threads, I tell you that too many times in last months ..

Uh, mate, he had a good point, and same with the whale stranding figures for New Zealand. We're coming into 'whale stranding season' here and Farewell Spit is a well-known location for whale strandings.

The stranding season is from November to March.

"This is quite early in the season, but it's not unusual."

Source


While I'm not fully discounting your theory, and accepting that it might have some legs on it, I would like to point out that Northland is a long way from Canterbury regarding the suggestion that the whale strandings there were related to the September earthquake. One would have thought that there would be strandings closer (like where there are whales...Kaikoura, perhaps?) than at the other end of the country.

Originally posted by Dalke07


Hope some members find this info useful to understood more eartqvekes because we all know animals can feel them before they occur ..

Peace ..

edit on 16-11-2011 by Dalke07 because: (no reason given)

We're animals too.
Also, my dogs did not respond BEFORE the earthquakes, rather reacted AFTER. This is based on my observations of them over c. 8000 earthquakes. Do you have such a robust statistical set?

Might be the occasional event but if there was a permanent link there would 15 stranding every day at least.

It's like I walk down the stairs and into the street and there is a car accident in front of me which obviously means when I walk down stairs cars crash?

Hey Dalke - I'm interrested if you have a theory on WHY animals seem to sense earthquakes before they occur?
Is it simply that they have better hearing and can hear low frequency sounds that comes from plates moving under them or is it more complex then that?
Would that mean that only animals with exceptional hearing can sense earthquakes or can basically all animals do so in some other way?

And don't tell people to leave or not comment - it is their right to do so even if they seem to personally attack your every idea. Without different views on things this site would be very boring.
Just ignore them if you feel they are stalking you and trashing your arguments constantly.
Beeing ignored is the worst thing they know.

Peace...

reply to post by Dalke07


My guess is the US, Russia, China are engaged in some heavy cat and mouse submarine games that are disrupting the whales ability to navigate.

What in the world....?

1.) Is it common practice for a thread to turn into bickering like children?

2.) There is a connection, in which I've already covered in another thread, and I'm sure others have as well on other sites:


"Magnetic Map" Found to Guide Animal Migration
Bijal P. Trivedi
for National Geographic Today
October 12, 2001
news.nationalgeographic.com...


Animals and the Magnetic Field
By Peter Tyson
Posted 11.18.03
NOVA
www.pbs.org...

3.) Magnetic Fields and Earthquakes



Change in magnetic field: an early warning system to understand
seismotectonics
S. MUKHERJEE and A. MUKHERJEE
School Of Environmental Sciences, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi-110067, India
www.aip.de...

About The Global Coherence Monitoring System
www.glcoherence.org...

4.) It's probably the same behind the appearance of strange cloud formations
en.wikipedia.org...

I'm not saying this is always the case, but it sure does some to have some truth behind it. Get real yall... If someone wants to act like a 'jerk' or whatever, let them be, or just merely poin out the faults in their argument. Why sit there and continue on some immature lame conversation. If that's what you're looking for, go to FOX or CNN

Be honest people, do any of you actually do any research, or just pop off ignorant statements? Remember the ATS saying 'Deny Ignorance'. What part of that is not understood when you choose to contribute to this site?

Learn people, learn! Oh', why wont you learn?

It's increasingly disheartening to see the scientific method( en.wikipedia.org... ) being consistently tossed out the window.

I think it's time that this website gets a thread that outlines the nature of knowledge and discovery, for it seems far too many people lack this understanding.

Please don't tell me that Sir Francis Bacons' work hasn't gone to waste, he would be rolling over in his grave if he read a majority of the conclusions people come to now days in regards to what is what and why...

Here's something for yall to read in the mean time... Ethics - Aristotle

DENY IGNORANCE

I reject ignorance and I deny its continued propagation - Renied!

reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS


No one has been disputing that animals do not sense earthquakes. The arguements have been about whether or not the mass whale strandings are linked.

I simply do not see how it is possible - if this was the cause we would only see it in areas that suffer earthquakes.

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS

 

No one has been disputing that animals do not sense earthquakes.

Wait a minute...I have, because I don't think it's that 'cut and dry'!

I have over a year's worth of personal observations involving four dogs, three cats, two turtles, three cockatiels (but no Partridge in a Pear Tree). They were reactive AFTER the events, not BEFORE.

Perhaps because they were in a city, they may not be as sensitive with all the noise.

I did hear of horses reacting before the September Canterbury 'quake, however, but just haven't seen any personal evidence of animals sensing earthquakes before they occur. With over eight thousand earthquakes of varying magnitude I have a pretty robust data set.

Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS

 

No one has been disputing that animals do not sense earthquakes.

Wait a minute...I have, because I don't think it's that 'cut and dry'!

I have over a year's worth of personal observations involving four dogs, three cats, two turtles, three cockatiels (but no Partridge in a Pear Tree). They were reactive AFTER the events, not BEFORE.

Perhaps because they were in a city, they may not be as sensitive with all the noise.

I did hear of horses reacting before the September Canterbury 'quake, however, but just haven't seen any personal evidence of animals sensing earthquakes before they occur. With over eight thousand earthquakes of varying magnitude I have a pretty robust data set.

I agree 100% that it is not as cut and dry as some may try and make it appear. Although I still stick by the notion that there is a link between interupted migrational patterns, magnetic fields, and earthquakes...
If the connection between migration and magnetic fields is already proven, earthquakes and magnetic fields are essentially proven(lack of researched data, but it is out there), I would conclude that both of these add up to animals sensing earthquakes before they happen.
Although I'm sure there's a whole list of contributing factors that are to be accounted for, before one can conclude any real understanding. Like change in currents, time of year,weather and other influences...

Interesting to note" The same time of the mass bird and other various animal deaths, there was a shift in the pole, then what happened? Oh yeah... Japan.

reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS
I have to say the article you posted a link to was quite thought inspiring. The 9/11 charts and findings are really something. Thank you for sharing these.

About The Global Coherence Monitoring System www.glcoherence.org...

Just would like to add that New Zealand is having some large quake action -

6.1 Mw - OFF E. COAST OF N. ISLAND, N.Z.
Preliminary Earthquake Report Magnitude
6.1 Mw Date-Time
18 Nov 2011 07:51:27 UTC
18 Nov 2011 19:51:27 near epicenter
17 Nov 2011 23:51:27 standard time in your timezone Location
37.608S 179.243E Depth
26 km Distances
159 km (99 miles) NE (43 degrees) of Gisborne, New Zealand 266 km (165 miles) E (79 degrees) of Rotorua, New Zealand 287 km (179 miles) NE (44 degrees) of Napier, New Zealand 405 km (252 miles) ESE (103 degrees) of Auckland, New Zealand 560 km (348 miles) NE (45 degrees) of WELLINGTON, New Zealand Location Uncertainty Horizontal: 15.7 km; Vertical 7.5 km Parameters Nph = 136; Dmin = 83.5 km; Rmss = 1.02 seconds; Gp = 25° M-type = Mw; Version = B Event ID US c0006u3j

reply to post by spinkyboo


Thank you for info, hope is over there and no stronger earthquakes from this one ..

2011-11-18 07:51:24.04hr 42min ago 37.69 S 179.30 E 10 5.9 OFF E. COAST OF N. ISLAND, N.Z.
2011-11-18 04:34:05.07hr 59min ago 37.68 S 179.32 E 10 5.7 OFF E. COAST OF N. ISLAND, N.Z.
2011-11-18 02:43:56.09hr 49min ago 37.81 S 179.42 E 30 5.3 OFF E. COAST OF N. ISLAND, N.Z.

www.emsc-csem.org...

61 whales die in New Zealand mass stranding
16 Nov 2011

22 sperm whales are stranded on Ocean Beach on Tasmania's west coast.
12 Nov 2011

reply to post by Tollon


Thank you for your interest ..

Whales sounds vary in frequency from 20 Hz to 10 kHz ..

Most baleen whales make sounds at about 15–20 hertz ..

Some species can hear from 10 Hz ..

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

www.lsu.edu...




Very low frequency or VLF refers to radio frequencies (RF) in the range of 3 kHz to 30 ..

Extremely low frequency (ELF) is a term used to describe radiation frequencies from 3 to 300 Hz ..
In atmosphere science, an alternative definition is usually given, from 3 Hz to 3 kHz ..

Some mechanisms on the origin of electromagnetic precursors, expected to be generated well before the occurrence of an earthquake, due to the process of rocks microfracture, are presented and discussed.
The wide frequency spectrum of electromagnetic signals produced by the damped dipole oscillations caused by the microfracture process is described.

The propagation of low frequency electromagnetic waves in the ELF and ULF range, belonging to such spectrum, is studied with reference to the electrical properties of rocks constituting the lithosphere.
The characteristics and the possible propagation paths of such waves, both underground and over the Earth surface, are considered.

A method based on the delay of reception between slow underground electromagnetic waves and waves which travel in the atmosphere at about the light speed is proposed in order to estimate the distance of the source of electromagnetic precursors from the observing station and, hence, to locate the source by means of a network of stations.

Peace ..

reply to post by Dalke07


So can you tell me about the propagation of VLF across major tectonic boundaries?
I ask this because the recent N.Z. quakes you show are on the Pacific Plate side, whereas the whale strandings occurred on the Australian Plate side.
From observation, seismic energy appears to dissipate across plate boundaries.
Do you think this could be coincidence, given that there are numerous whale strandings without earthquakes occurring, or are you firm in your standing, despite there being other possibilities?