Chemtrails are terraforming earth for the aliens!

reply to post by EyeDontKnow


This is getting funny. As I've already stated numerous times, my only poiny was the point I made. It was made in resoonse to the claim that putting aluminum oxide into the air would not be harmful because aluminum is natural and abundant in our ecosystem.

I've also already stated that I am not on either side of this argument, as in all the years I have been hearing about this, I've yet to be convinced by either side. And these days, id be embarrassed to side with either of these bickering childish cults.

I do have to say thougg, I find it amazing how many of you so-called debunkers are trying to drag me into a debate that I have clearly stated I am not interested in joining.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
This is getting funny. As I've already stated numerous times, my only poiny was the point I made. It was made in resoonse to the claim that putting aluminum oxide into the air would not be harmful because aluminum is natural and abundant in our ecosystem.

The claim was that putting aluminum oxide into the air was not going to kill all of us, and the plants and animals.

The claim was NOT because it was natural (nearly all elements are natural, so that's a no-argument), the claim what that it was ABUNDANT, like oxygen. Not SCARCE like arsenic, which was what you chose to use in your counter.

Since arsenic is not abundant in the ecosystem, merely present, it's a misleading comparison.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

That's clearly not true - you are trying to debunk my suggestion that aluminium is not dangerous.

I'm on a smart phone so I can't really supply links right now, but that's obviously an empty question. Google aluminum oxide negative health effects and you'll get all you need

Li ke this?

Not actually much there - the link to the article titled "Chemtrails And Aluminum Harm Heart, Lungs And Plants" on Rense might be useful except it is full of the usual rubbish - like the first sentence:

Chemtrails which are known to contain heavy metals such as barium oxide and aluminum oxide, are known to be a bigger problem than once thought.

and the most interesting link it has doesn't exist any more, and the authors of the paper don't exist on the net either......hmm.....

A paper written by Wardle, Lee, Akester and Braithwaite at Thiokol Corp. warns of hazards from aluminum oxide nanoparticles.

the location for this is given as

[1] Heart and lung risk factors (cardiopulmonary) See *AA1.2 on this webpage: lucy.mrs.org...

This link to an EPA article on acid and aluminium in water also no longer exists:

[2] www.epa.gov...

However this link does - and it notes that it is the acid that causes the problem:

As acid rain flows through soils in a watershed, aluminum is released from soils....

which is clearly ionic aluminium Al3+ - and whether the soils are alum (al2o3) or Feldspars or anythign else is irrelevant - there is already enough aluminium in them for the acid the cause the problem

Second, no I'm not here to debunk, again, that is what you are here to do. I pointed out a fact, one that you and your buddy are trying to deny.

You pointed out a fact in order to show that I was wrong - how is that not debunking??

The fact that your fact is utterly trivial - that too much of anything at all is dangerous - continues to escape you...

And that's fine, like I said before, both sides of this argument are full of idiots.

Thanks for the gratuitous personal attack.

So with that, carry on. I won't bother you with anymore facts.

You could try a different tack - you could try bothering us with something that is relevant - that would be good.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by JibbyJedi

 

This item is posted on a high profile chemtrail site - why do I need an excuse to point out the stupidity of it?

I find it funny that you frequent the high profile chemtrail websites when you deny their existence all together.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul


I look forward to you questioning the motives of people who are pushing the existence of chemtrails then.

It is called political activism

reply to post by aBlueRAY


Why do you think I was "frequenting" that site?? I found it in a search for something, and noticed the article.

I do not deny the existence of chemtrails - or if I have posted anything that you have read as such then I've been careless or you have misread me.

I am quite sure that Chemtrails or something like them could well exist. Certainly there have been secret "spray" experiments in the past, and if something similar were to happen now I would be most concerned.

What I deny is that there is any credible evidence of anything like that happening now. Perhaps there is but I just haven't' seen it?? So whenever I find myself at a "chemtrail site" I do look at some articles. So far hey are invariably utter tosh tho - a waste of time, and distracting from anything that might actually be really going on.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by aBlueRAY

 

Why do you think I was "frequenting" that site??

I do not deny the existence of chemtrails - or if I have posted anything that you have read as such then I've been careless or you have misread me.

I am quite sure that Chemtrails or something like them could well exist. Certainly there have been secret "spray" experiments in the past, and if something similar were to happen now I would be most concerned.

Hey! Here we go again! same old same old.....

However, you now appear to be closer to sitting on the fence than what is apparent in many of your previous obsessive debunking efforts.

Well done! Keep searching and soon you will have that membership card into understanding that chemtrails are totally oblivious to human rights and has a deep obscure agenda attached to it.

Please pass go, and collect $50. Next round you may even progress to $100 and who knows, perhaps in the future......

reply to post by UnlimitedSky


Sorry you didn't understand what I wrote

I don't know how to put it any simpler.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


that's ok. We don't have to understand each other, as long as you understand yourself and visa versa.

Go well!

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Now, you claim dropping a million tons of aluminum oxide would not cause a health issue. This is where dilution DOES become relevant. The naturally occurring aluminum in our environment is not ingested or absorbed as a direct hit. If a million tons of it were dropped directly into our air, the concentration that would be taken into the human body would be GREATLY elevated over what is naturally here.

OK let's take that as a case for your point....
But we can't, because no one has the evidence that any Al has been dispersed.
So what is your point ?.......that "if" chemicals in mass amounts "were to be" dispersed....we (the world) would notice ?...of course we would.
But have we noticed ?....not so far.

reply to post by EyeDontKnow


Still trying to draw me in, still ignoring the one thing I was responding to.

I'm starting to think that the debunkers on here are afraid they have nothing to do if not trying to argue this topic with people..seems you all are dead set on finding someone, anyone, to argue with.

Originally posted by jeichelberg

You have some source material to prove the claim that more and more people are being diagnosed with chrons, colitis, fibromyalgia? I would like to see that...

edit on 12/1/2011 by jeichelberg because: (no reason given)

all i got is this but it doesnt include the fibro im obviously not going to change your mind, and your not going to change mine because i have my own reasons, but i have backed up my info on IBD

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

as for me, i only posted because Im new here, and a Patient of chrons, which is why i have an interest in the subject to begin with. so ill leave you all alone. good luck with your talk guys

Originally posted by N3v3rmor3

Originally posted by jeichelberg

You have some source material to prove the claim that more and more people are being diagnosed with chrons, colitis, fibromyalgia? I would like to see that...

edit on 12/1/2011 by jeichelberg because: (no reason given)

all i got is this but it doesnt include the fibro im obviously not going to change your mind, and your not going to change mine because i have my own reasons, but i have backed up my info on IBD

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

as for me, i only posted because Im new here, and a Patient of chrons, which is why i have an interest in the subject to begin with. so ill leave you all alone. good luck with your talk guys

Thanks for the reply...interesting it is not even in your list you originally provided...and I would like to point out one sentence that may have been overlooked...

Inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) is increasing in many countries 'beyond the West'. Inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) is increasing in many countries 'beyond the West'. This increase may be due to an increased rate of diagnosis but might also represent a true increase in incidence. Economic development, leading to improved hygiene and other changes in lifestyle, may play a role in the increase in IBD. However, the marked difference in prevalence between ethnic groups suggests that the genetic background of populations may also be relevant and supports the current hypothesis that IBD represents an interaction between environmental factors and a genetically susceptible host. Investigating the early stages of IBD as it emerges in new populations may provide new clues to its pathophysiology. Economic development, leading to improved hygiene and other changes in lifestyle, may play a role in the increase in IBD. However, the marked difference in prevalence between ethnic groups suggests that the genetic background of populations may also be relevant and supports the current hypothesis that IBD represents an interaction between environmental factors and a genetically susceptible host. Investigating the early stages of IBD as it emerges in new populations may provide new clues to its pathophysiology.

So, they have no idea if it is because of an increased rate of diagnosis or if it is due to actual increase in cases...given the increase in technology, I would come down on the side of the former...We are better able to diagnose diseases...

Good luck with your condition...Hope you can manage it effectively...

Originally posted by jeichelberg

You have some source material to prove the claim that more and more people are being diagnosed with chrons, colitis, fibromyalgia? I would like to see that...

edit on 12/1/2011 by jeichelberg because: (no reason given)

all i got is this but it doesnt include the fibro im obviously not going to change your mind, and your not going to change mine because i have my own reasons, but i have backed up my info on IBD

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

as for me, i only posted because Im new here, and a Patient of chrons, which is why i have an interest in the subject to begin with.


Thanks for the reply...interesting it is not even in your list you originally provided...

So, they have no idea if it is because of an increased rate of diagnosis or if it is due to actual increase in cases...given the increase in technology, I would come down on the side of the former...We are better able to diagnose diseases...

Good luck with your condition...Hope you can manage it effectively...


thanks for the good luck. the fact that im alive today is proof of that. We are also better able to diagnose diseases yes, But there is also a lot more involved, IBD is Chrons and Colitus, it just includes both.... so It Is in the list i provided Just under a wider spectrum name. Its also an autoimmune disease... just in case it comes up.

The researchers explained that the pathogenesis of CD and UC is believed to involve the interplay of environmental factors acting on genetically susceptible persons. This study suggests that environmental factors are dominant in changing the pattern of disease because the genetic make-up of the human population does not shift over short periods. www.badgut.org... here is the source.

New studies are now being done to include environmental factors, such as food sources ect. I feel this is specifically related because of the new chemicals that are constantly being added to the environment, therefore added to all our food supplies over time.

www.nleducation.co.uk...

I know the info I gave yesterday was breif, i apologize it was late i felt #ty and was not on top of my research game... Which is not good will tell you, part of my personal treatment is trying to stay up to date on the studies and information being learned by doctors that are continuously researching the subject. There is not enough know about the diseases to give the proof you need, however in theory I would not be able to prove anything to you, just as you cannot prove anything to me.


By doing research on this subject it means they do not yet have the information they need on it to prove anything; however there really is never an end to research, therefore never a true hypothesis received on a certain subject.

Even if you or I were able to give hard FACTS, the truth of the matter is that facts, though they are proven now, can always be dis-proven... such is the reason for continuous research on all of the subjects we research today. So, in theory, even by proving something to be true; or a fact, the universal nature of truth is that there is no actual truth. For something to be an absolute truth, there must be an absolute fact which we know never will be dis-proven. Considering they just dis-proved the fact that nothing can be faster than the speed of light i rest my case on this. Facts may hold true at the time they are conceptualized, they may give us a basis for technology but as with anything else they are ever changing with future research. So this leaves us at a bit of a catch 22 situation, Neither of us can Prove our views absolutely. Neither of us will ever prove anything beyond a doubt or we would be the most intelligent life in the univers, all of our problems would be solved, and there would be no need for this website.

I would like to add yet another theory though. Your OP that chem-trails are terraforming the earth for the aliens... Can you give me any information on whether or not they are terraforming the earth for us?

Or, if you look yet at another even larger abstract point of view, what if those of us with IBD and other diseases autoimmune or other, are not from this planet. They could be terraforming this planet for you, and it may be effecting the digestive systems of us aliens making it more expensive for us to live.

Maybe Neither of us were supposed to be here in the first place, can you tell me that we are? Or that we are not?
are you even able to tell me anything.

No. Because the universal nature of your TRUTH, FACTS, is such that they actually do not exist; therefore we should live our lives the way we need to and drop trivial subjects, in fact, Let us stop all research all together. We are just going to prove everything wrong later anyways.

reply to post by N3v3rmor3


Basically, you are saying the chemicals in food are the cause of IBD...and IBD encompasses crohn's...did not know that...well, that may be...anyway, it does not lend credence or support to the theory of terraforming...especially with the use of non-existent chemtrails...

Facts are always the best available information at the moment...and the best available information should always be sought after...it sure beats the worst available information...

EDIT: As far as being able to tell you anything, who knows...I have ZERO clue what that whole stance is supposed to mean...Appears as if you might believe yourself to be "more enlightened," as to the true nature of things; however, I submit that without FACTS, the entire last half of your philosophical rambling crumbles...

Originally posted by JibbyJedi You don't need an excuse, you need a hobby that betters your life maybe. I don't particularly believe in organized religion, or paying taxes, or shopping at Walmart, so I avoid those things, why would anyone want to flood themselves with that which they do not believe in.... unless you are on the fence still, maybe?

Although you did not post this thread to me, I hope you will not take it amiss that I reply.

I first heard about "chem-trails" in 1998 and did quite a bit of research on them, since if there were anything to such, I thought it was incombent on me to find out. I am a soon-to-retire old engineering bureaucrat who has spent thirty years of his career in aerospace, and I presently work for for a large aircraft company whose name I choose not to mention, although it rhymes with "going". I have also been a schoolteacher and hope to return to that for a couple years after retirement.

Everything I have read about "chem-trails" -- everything! -- leads me to one inescapable conclusion: the whole "chem-trail" thing is a hoax played on basically good people who simply don't have the background in aviation engineering, atmospheric physics, meteorology, defense/commercial aircraft procurement, and statistics to understand why it is a hoax.

Because I do not believe that persistent aircraft contrails are anything but, well, persistent aircraft contrails, I have been called a "shill" or a "disinfo agent" when I am not the one shilling for anything but skepticism against the real shills who are pushing for the Huge Sinister Secret Plot theology. But I digress...

The reason I debunk "chem-trails" (besides the fact that they are indeed just "bunk") is because people who make these charges seem regularly to insult my profession, my employer, my former employer (the US military), and my patriotism. Worse still, by spreading falsehoods (even inadvertently) they are getting other people who may be scientifically challenged to believe the same rubbish.

We have enough problems right now in this world. Certainly governments and corporations and special interest groups in my own country have been and probably still are colluding on various aspects of our lives; our freedoms and treasure is being sequestered by these same thugs; we seem to be strangling ourselves on our own pollution, probably degrating our climate significantly; and on and on. The last thing we should do is to turn away from the very real problems facing us -- both individually and collectively -- just to get our respective pantyhose in a knot over a foolish hoax known as "chem-trails".

And that, JibbyJedi, is why I have been actively debunking "chem-trails" for over a decade now, and will continue to do so.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by EyeDontKnow

 

Still trying to draw me in, still ignoring the one thing I was responding to.

I'm starting to think that the debunkers on here are afraid they have nothing to do if not trying to argue this topic with people..seems you all are dead set on finding someone, anyone, to argue with.

No, not trying to "draw you in"....just trying to clarify.
Take the facts you receive....then base your decisions on that, is all.