Where is the common ground?

Left, right, republicans, democrats, socialists, communists, whatever and whatever.. etc

OWS, or Tea Party?

Too bad that we all simply can't be just PEOPLE, human beings, and find common ground to stand together on.

If we could ALL stand together, we would ALL win.



America, and the WORLD needs a united movement of people for real change, not political agendas that further divide us.

So, in this thread, (IF the mods allow it) ... Work together to find common issues we can all agree with.

Lets see if we can find common ground, set aside your ideologies and find those issues we can all agree with.

Is it even possible for us to stand together on anything?

It's possible, but I think the main issue is what is first?

For me it is removing all incumbents from office. Until we do, nothing else will matter.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

Here are afew things that I think everyone can agree on:

1. Our political systems worldwide are corrupt.

2. There are not enough jobs that pay a LIVEABLE wage to go around.

3. Inflation has gone BERSERK!

4. Banking and monetary systems around the world are failing miserably.

5. Nature is being systematically destroyed to the point where many people are afraid of the consequences.

6. People don't respect each other the way they used to.

7. Cookies are good!

Now I could be wrong about some people's opinions of cookies, but I think most people can agree with the other things. Question is: What can we do about it that doesn't involve camping and getting tear-gassed?

Originally posted by haarvik
It's possible, but I think the main issue is what is first?

The main issues are a matter of perspective, and ideological alignment.

A minority is doomed to fail... Just like this thread.

If there is one main issue, I'd like to believe that it is how we can all come together, eliminate the things that divide us and find one common cause.

Can you imagine the power a movement could have if nearly everyone could come together to support it and get involved?

The main issue here, is how do we find a common ground and make that happen?

Maybe it is impossible, maybe humanity itself is a lost cause as a whole... Maybe we're just wasting time here.

Originally posted by littled16

7. Cookies are good!

One man's cookie is another's biscuit.

Though, I think you are on to something here.

Only problem is, will those be socialist free cookies, or capitalist cookies at a premium price?

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


The only common ground I think we can agree on is that we are all individuals and we all have our own and differing opinions on just about everything.


Outside of that...I don't see EVERYONE coming together on some common ground.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

Only problem is, will those be socialist free cookies, or capitalist cookies at a premium price?

The problem with the socialist cookie, is that, although it's free, it's dry and tasteless. The Capitalist cookie tastes great, but it's expensive and too many will make you obese.

Sorry couldn't help running with the cookie analogy.

dp sorry

I was about to come in and say something like "surely, liberty is a commonly held cause?" then I realized how many hundreds of millions of people actively trade their liberty for something on an hourly basis. Not just trade their own but fully expect you to trade your as well and call it a "crime" if you object.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Outside of that...I don't see EVERYONE coming together on some common ground.

That is the problem here isn't it?

I can't agree with you because you..... ?

You will never agree with me because I..... ?

As long as it remains that way, we're truly doomed to linger in division until it rips us apart and destroys us all, along with everything we once stood our side's ground for.

So, are you one of THEM?

We should stand together on taking out Iran
as Obama was in such a hurry to jump
into Libya.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

That is the problem here isn't it?

I can't agree with you because you..... ?

You will never agree with me because I..... ?

So who is supposed to give...you or me?

For the good of the world, am I supposed to just start agreeing with everyone? That leaves a world where the people who hold strong to their beliefs will rule the world....which will be the extreme ideologists.


You see this as a problem...I see it as the best part of our country...that we can openly disagree and vote for people that we agree with. But I also love the fact that the person that is polar opposite of me can also vote for the person that they agree with.

It seems like your way, wanting everyone to come together and agree, would force us into a system where our own individual thoughts don't matter...because for the good of the group, we should fall in line and be agreeable.

Sorry...I'm not on board with that type of system.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Fractured.Facade

 

That is the problem here isn't it?

I can't agree with you because you..... ?

You will never agree with me because I..... ?

So who is supposed to give...you or me?

Neither of us, we can search for something we can agree on and build on that... As I said, maybe it is impossible.

For the good of the world, am I supposed to just start agreeing with everyone?

Do that and you are even more of a fool than those who blindly follow others without actually thinking for themselves.

It seems like your way, wanting everyone to come together and agree, would force us into a system where our own individual thoughts don't matter...because for the good of the group, we should fall in line and be agreeable.

No, really, I would like to see if there is ANY possibility that people who live in such a bitterly divided society could ever find common issues which all can agree upon.

So far, it doesn't seem possible, with the exception of cookies, and of course there are even problems with that.

It was once said that politics should be the land of the possible. Instead we have opportunists, go-getters, and people after a fast buck. Such a pity. We have a desperate need to make the political work. Only when the political is sought as an invocation not an occupation will we see people doing the right things in all things, in the name of the people. Well, good luck. In the early years of the American Republic we had people who served as representatives but they also had "real jobs", you know the way they made money. To represent the people was both a duty and a great honer. And no one got rich working for "the government" that is working for "the people". I never got into politics because to me it was dirty. But that makes me as culpable as anyone else when the bottom drops out.

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Excellent post.

So, could we all possibly agree that we have a government that doesn't represent its people, and has not for a long time?

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by arbiture

 

Excellent post.

So, could we all possibly agree that we have a government that doesn't represent its people, and has not for a long time?

Then the logical thing would be to remove those in government at the next election. The problem is you replace them with people who will do exactly the same and will be just as likely to be corrupted by those with big money. Putting their financiers interests ahead of the peoples.

So if the electoral process and politicians don't work for the people, how do we change that?

reply to post by woodwardjnr


You're right, it's futile... We can't win even if we come together to fight against corruption in government.

They have all of the power, and as long as we are satisfied with the illusion of democracy we can be controlled.

OWS, the tea party and the two party political system we have assures the people will remain divided on a multitude of issues, and therefore will never have the significant numbers to rebel, and/or bring about any real change.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by arbiture

 

Excellent post.

So, could we all possibly agree that we have a government that doesn't represent its people, and has not for a long time?

Then the logical thing would be to remove those in government at the next election. The problem is you replace them with people who will do exactly the same and will be just as likely to be corrupted by those with big money. Putting their financiers interests ahead of the peoples.

So if the electoral process and politicians don't work for the people, how do we change that?

We work harder. And make those in power hear our voice, We can. Revolutions are so messy.

Originally posted by arbiture


We work harder. And make those in power hear our voice, We can. Revolutions are so messy.

If we were ALL one voice they would listen, as long as we're divided they will remain deaf.