Nice Docu about The question if the Chinese discovered America before Columbus

This is a nice documentary about voyages of the legendary Admiral Zheng, in 1421.

His records where destroyed, but in this docu they try to reconstruct his 7 great voyages with his enormous fleet.

Not much to add from my part, still sucking it in.
It has it all, ancient maps, mysteries, deliberate records destruction.. nice ATS food ;-)

I think worth sharing , nice quality and a intriguing quest!

Enjoy:

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2hours is long docu, but it looks interesting. Marking this thread for later. Thanks, going to watch this.

someone discovering the new world before Columbus? wow.

seriously who didn't know that? after all how can someone "discover" something when they have maps? the only thing was that they thought that they were in Asia.

we know that the Norse discovered America. apparently some European area country was fishing around possibly the grand banks area (can't remember all the details right off). supposedly where Columbus got his maps.

in all honesty i tend to wonder if almost everyone at one time or another made it to America. thing is that until that time period when America was taken over, everyone would have been a little evenly matched war wise, until they came with guns and gun powder. thus tipping the balance of military might in favor of the conquerors. before that i'm sure you could find room to make a village and make peace with the neighboring peoples, maybe even survive awhile before doing things like intermarriage and possibly joining with the natives. thus the non- native peoples would eventually disappear within the native bloodlines. i have seen some information about the Norse getting their butts kicked after living peacefully with the natives. so that's likely the reason they left. and like i said before gunpowder both sides would be on a close weapon tech level (not to mention the Norse likely traded things like swords with them). so it would be rather easy for the natives with reinforcements readily available, to deal with invaders who even tho may have better stuff to fight with have NO readily available reinforcements. that would have worked right up until gunpowder/guns which gave the invaders a massive advantage. thus allowing the domination of the natives.

Originally posted by EartOccupant
This is a nice documentary about voyages of the legendary Admiral Zheng, in 1421.

His records where destroyed, but in this docu they try to reconstruct his 7 great voyages with his enormous fleet.

Not much to add from my part, still sucking it in.
It has it all, ancient maps, mysteries, deliberate records destruction.. nice ATS food ;-)

I think worth sharing , nice quality and a intriguing quest!

Enjoy:

He was a real person and fairly good records exist of his journeys to include hard proof of where he went. He didn't go to the America or Europe - despite what Gavin has made up or grossly misinterpreted.

Here is a page that debunks this silly mess of distorted history:

1421 Gavin's stuff debunked

Now for what Zheng actually did in his seven voyages to the Subcontinent, Asia and Africa

The real Zheng He accomplishments

Now could the Chinese or some other Asians have gotten to the Americas prior to Columbus after the ancestors of the native Americans crossed the land bridge or came down the west coast? Yes they could, but there is no compelling evidence that they did

Hello Hanslune,

I'm not claiming it is all true, the docu has a question mark for a reason.

I just didn't wanna spoil it for viewers enjoying a quest.

It gets debunked mostly, in the docu.

I put it on because it still is a nice story, with some nice footage, and at the end a fair view from experts.

Although the overall theorie does not hold, it is still a enjoyable view with some real history as well. .

I have a very old US History book from the 1800s - more of a timeline really - and on the first page is a paragraph on the Chinese exploring the western now-US coastline in 450 ad.

Originally posted by Jessica6
I have a very old US History book from the 1800s - more of a timeline really - and on the first page is a paragraph on the Chinese exploring the western now-US coastline in 450 ad.

Howdy Jessica

Sounds like the Fu Sang and Hui Shen story

In summary

A country named Fusang was described by the native Buddhist missionary Hui Shen (Chinese: 慧深; pinyin: huìshēn) in 499 CE, as a place 20,000 Chinese li east of Da-han, and also east of China (according to Joseph Needham, Da-han corresponds to the Buriat region of Siberia). Hui Shen went by ship to Fusang, and upon his return reported his findings to the Chinese Emperor. His descriptions are recorded in the 7th century text Book of Liang by Yao Silian, and describe a Bronze Age civilization inhabiting the Fusang country. The Fusang described by Shen has been variously posited to be the Americas, Sakhalin island, the Kamchatka peninsula or the Kuril islands. The American hypothesis was the most hotly debated one in the late 19th and early 20th century after the 18th century writings of Joseph de Guignes were revived and disseminated by Charles Godfrey Leland in 1875. Sinologists including Emil Bretschneider, Berthold Laufer, and Henri Cordier refuted however this hypothesis, and according to Needham the American thesis was "stone dead" by the time of the First World War.

I'll put the link in later

I just saw a docu about the Polynesians and how they would take seasonal trips,following the "westerlies" or when the winds shifted from going west to east to east to west in the pacific.
So,weather patterns change through out the year making it possible to cross the pacific from the west to the west coast of the americas.

what about the vikings (leif ericsson, vinland) finding america before columbus theory, has it been debunked?

Originally posted by Picollo30
what about the vikings (leif ericsson, vinland) finding america before columbus theory, has it been debunked?

No debunking there. They set up shop at L'ans aux Meadows, Newfoundland. It is a world heritage site, and an exceedingly cool place to visit.

get in line

the vikings were there hundreds of years earlier

oh, and the indians

Could boats drift to the Americas? Sure did a few even did during historic times:

All told, the University of Washington anthropologist George Quimby estimated, between 500 and 1750 CE some 187 junks drifted from Japan to the Americas

In October 1813, the junk Tokujo Maru left Tokyo, returning to Toba after delivering the shogun’s annual tribute. The nor’westers swept it out to sea and it drifted for 530 days, passing within a mile of California when offshore winds blew it out to sea. Eleven of the fourteen men aboard perished. Then, 470 miles off Mexico, an American brig hailed the hulk and rescued the three survivors. After four years away, the Tokujo Maru’s captain, Jukichi, returned to Japan. Somehow he escaped execution and secretly recorded his travels in A Captain’s Diary. Though it was officially banned, Jukichi’s Diary intrigued and influenced Japanese scholars, paving the way for Commodore Perry and for another foreign guest who arrived six years before him. “Unquestionably,” James W. Borden, the U.S. Commissioner to Hawaii, remarked in 1860, “the kindness which had been extended to shipwrecked Japanese seamen was among the most powerful reasons which finally led to the opening of that country to foreigners and foreign commerce.”

Those who drifted to America