The problem with OWS supports and this website

I find it hilarious that my thread on the drunk OWS supporter was deleted. If you read many of these threads they contain the exact same things that mine was trashed for. Whatever. I guess the admin who deleted it supports this cause. A pity that that reason can get a thread deleted on a forum website where discussions on opposing views are supposed to take place.

Here's what's wrong with you guys.

Many of the supporters are the same people who were accusing the tea party of being racist. I am sure that in every crowd you can find a racist... but "Obama is a nazi" or "Obama is a marxist" is not a racist sign. Only the ignorant would think that. Now these same people are supporting OWS. The same gathering of people that is being blamed for numerous rapes. Not only are these women being violated to the highest degree under murder, but the organization is helping in the rapists get away with it.

I watched a video, which I will supply the link if I can find it, where a woman was crying about being raped and saying "they know who did it but won't give any names". This is just horrendous. How can you be part of something where this is going on? Not just a rare occurence ... it's happened more than once.


You came people post videos of a marine who "took on the cops and won" where a group of police stood there while a man berated and screamed at the top of his lungs that the people were unarmed. The one video I watched in a thread title "this is what a police state looks like" showed a cop getting extra rough with the crowd and in particular a female. If the crowd had gotten back, as the police asked them to over and over, none of that would have happened. They ask for it and ask for it then when they get it they post it on youtube and call it wrong. That's like placing your hand on a hot stove and being angry at the manufacturer. It makes no sense.

You people are mad at the wrong people. You should be blaming not only the government but yourselves for the mess you're in. No one forced people to buy houses they couldn't afford. When the banks tried to explain you couldn't afford the house and declined your loan the government stepped in, cried racism, and FORCED the banks to hand out loans which there was no way they would be paid back. Extremely moronic regulations by the current and former administrations is the reason for the mortgage crisis.

I watched a video, again I'll link it if I can find it, where a man said he wanted his college loans paid for. By who? The rich. Why should they pay for it? Well in his mind "because it's a free country and I can say whatever I want". What kind of sense is that?

A lot of people in the "movement" say capitalism is bad and they want a change. The same people who buy their signs, tents, sleeping bags, iphones, food and everything else from stores. Such ignorance should be laughed at not cheered. It is completely outrageous to want to just up and switch systems especially when this one is working well. Yes, the economy is bad right now. It happens. Greed screws everything up but greed can't be faught with more greed.

The funniest and most ironic story so far though has to be the OWS cooks getting mad at the homeless. They were making their gourmet meals and the homeless seeing their oppurtunity was eating for free off of them. Well they didn't like this one bit. It wasn't fair they were making the food and the homeless were eating off of their hard work. Instead of the gourmet meals they started serving peanut butter sandwiches to deter the "undeserving" from eating their nice food. How ironic is that? The top 1% with the food doesn't want the 99% of people who aren't doing anything eat for free. Irony at it's finest!

If you want to support a group who is going about change in a complete idiotic and wrong way, rapists who get away because the group "polices themselves" and is obviously doing a fantastic job at it or people being extremely ironic about the entire economic situation then be my guest. I for one will not be supporting such disgusting and moronic behavior.

for posting this thread. The only thing that comes in my mind when i see the supporters in my town is "Why are they complaining about not getting jobs if they look like they havent even taken a bath in weeks??"

They are not getting anywhere by hanging out in a lawn and littering everywhere. My local farmers market is losing money and now, as a result, hard working local farmers are losing revenue. Steve Lopez from the LA Times did a good article where he stated that if these people mean serious business they would be going place to place protesting not using camping grounds for smoking weed, littering, violence and rapes.

reply to post by Athin


Some things can change and some things will not change.
Butting your head on the ATS wall is only gonna hurt.
They own the site and your freedom of speech does not extend to their cyberspace.
It's quite simple actually, if you want to speak your own mind, get your own space.

Come on, a thread on a drunk person at a protest. Its not really high quality debate is it? I know dumbing down is the fashion these days and one is uncool if one wants to discuss the issues, but its good to know there is some standard at ATS.

Here is the problem with your critique. First of all you group everybody into one category. You have to understand that OWS is not just one group of people who believe one thing. Its a group that is united on some broad beliefs. It is why for example there is some crossover between Ron Paul and OWS. It is why you have moderates and more extreme political viewpoints, although it is true there are less on the right of the political spectrum.

You also talk about people that sympathise with OWS as if we are all black - 'you couldn't afford the house and declined your loan the government stepped in, cried racism'. Complete nonsense. Its as if everybody who doesn't agree with your viewpoint represents a single entity (You this, you that).

I actually know a guy who supports OWS and he is a trader on the London Stock Exchange - imagine that. You have people that are relatively rich at OWS protests imagine that. Lots of the university age people at OWS probably have pretty rich parents who would lose out if the sentiments of OWS were implemented as law.

Capitalism of the type we have at the moment anyway, is not 'doing well' at all. Quite the contrary, that is one of the reasons why the protests are ongoing.

As far as criticism of the government goes and personal responsiblity I agree with you, to a point. That point is that you left out the responsiblity of those at the top of the financial industry, banks their lobbyists and all the other crooks who have take so much of the taxpayers money.

You should really try to be more even handed when thinking about why people support one thing or another.

reply to post by Athin


I don't think your posts should have been removed on that basis? Are sure it was removed because of a mod who supports OWS.. or is this you guessing what the reason may be?

That said.. a drunk man at OWS isn't really worthy of note.. What was the point of it, to show a guy at OWS was drunk? Really? I'm sure if the tea party had a 24/7 protest a closet alcoholic would have been "caught" drunk. People drink, some people are alcoholics.. there are some in every part of society, and every career..

As for the chef shooing away homeless people.. that food was allocated for OWS protestors.. people need to eat.. if they use all the food to feed the city's homeless there wouldn't be much leftover. Why is it so hard for people to realize a functional 24/7 protest needs money and food to sustain. These homeless people are not without food, I don't know if you've known anyone who was homeless, or volunteered services for the homeless shelters.. but there is an abundance of great food served every day for the homeless or the hungry. So many grocery stores and restaurants donate their unused food, or food taken out in prep. In my city they even eat mostly organic because of the grocery stores.

The thing is, Athin, that these people in the OWS movement who want someone else to support them "just because I'm ME!" (in one case) would still be at the bottom of the economic ladder in a socialist system as well. Socialism does not reward sloth, nor does it reward egocentric individualism. It rewards people who show up at their jobs on time and who demonstrate good work habits. You are expected to contribute to the group effort. Whining like two year olds, which is what these people are doing, doesn't cut it. These very same people, under socialism, would be housed four families to an apartment.

Yeah, there is fault in the system, as you said. Any system that allows people to buy houses they can't afford is asking for trouble. Did Wall Street do that? Nope, the government did. Any system that freely gives out huge loans to students so that they can get a B.A. in English and have a $100K debt is completely crazy. Not only is the degree useless, all this "free money" causes tuition to rise faster than it would have. Who pushed this monstrosity on us? The government.

The problem here is a system that even allows these so-called "occupations" to happen. This is nothing a few riot police and some bulldozers couldn't handle in an afternoon, but the government is too much of a sissy to do it.

sure folks lets all join the t-party
cause they got all the solutions
are not infiltrated by the powers that be
and will be creating jobs

Mike Lee: Federal Child Labor Laws Are Unconstitutional (VIDEO)

oh yes let's turn back the clock and get rid of those pesky unions too

lol bitching about a deleter when it was probably some sort of truly vile hate-rant like many ant-occupy threads of late all created by new members who don't bother to read t n c

Originally posted by freethinker123
Come on, a thread on a drunk person at a protest. Its not really high quality debate is it? I know dumbing down is the fashion these days and one is uncool if one wants to discuss the issues, but its good to know there is some standard at ATS.

Here is the problem with your critique. First of all you group everybody into one category. You have to understand that OWS is not just one group of people who believe one thing. Its a group that is united on some broad beliefs. It is why for example there is some crossover between Ron Paul and OWS. It is why you have moderates and more extreme political viewpoints, although it is true there are less on the right of the political spectrum.

You also talk about people that sympathise with OWS as if we are all black - 'you couldn't afford the house and declined your loan the government stepped in, cried racism'. Complete nonsense. Its as if everybody who doesn't agree with your viewpoint represents a single entity (You this, you that).

I actually know a guy who supports OWS and he is a trader on the London Stock Exchange - imagine that. You have people that are relatively rich at OWS protests imagine that. Lots of the university age people at OWS probably have pretty rich parents who would lose out if the sentiments of OWS were implemented as law.

Capitalism of the type we have at the moment anyway, is not 'doing well' at all. Quite the contrary, that is one of the reasons why the protests are ongoing.

As far as criticism of the government goes and personal responsiblity I agree with you, to a point. That point is that you left out the responsiblity of those at the top of the financial industry, banks their lobbyists and all the other crooks who have take so much of the taxpayers money.

You should really try to be more even handed when thinking about why people support one thing or another.

I know from the videos not everyone is black. The bad mortgage crisis though started because Democrats saw that the majority of loans denied were for black people. Not all but a lot. Instead of finding the reason for this they assumed it HAD to be racism. This is what jumpstarted the entire "give loans to everyone" problem that got us into this mess. It's not the black peoples fault either. It's the Democrats in this circumstance. I truly don't understand why someone would vote for a hardcore Dem. All they do is "help" by enslaving us.

Your friend might be a supporter, but he better watch where he supports at. Did you hear about the guy in Oakland? Drove a Mercedes either at or near the protests. They attacked his car just because it was a "typical rich guy" car. He was forced to plow through the crowd when he feared for his life.

thisainthell.us...

That's just the first one that popped up. I'm sure a little research would show you just how violent they got.

How is capitalism not doing well? We haven't crashed yet. I think we will because it's inevitable. World currencies come and go all the time. The reason for this, though, will be mainly on the current administration with help from the previous. If we didn't keep printing money the things we love so much wouldn't be slowing rising in price.

reply to post by Drezden


I'm assuming that's why it was taken down.
The guy wasn't at a protest. It was just a drunk guy spitting blood at people and claiming he was a philly protestor. I posted the video because I found humor in it.
Also, grouping everyone in the same category? Wasn't the WHOLE tea party racist? The WHOLE tea party was for bringing down the government... so on and so forth.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
sure folks lets all join the t-party
cause they got all the solutions
are not infiltrated by the powers that be
and will be creating jobs

Mike Lee: Federal Child Labor Laws Are Unconstitutional (VIDEO)

oh yes let's turn back the clock and get rid of those pesky unions too

lol bitching about a deleter when it was probably some sort of truly vile hate-rant like many ant-occupy threads of late all created by new members who don't bother to read t n c

edit on 14-11-2011 by DerepentLEstranger because: (no reason given)

I'm not part of the tea party either. I was just saying a lot of the people who do these OWS protests were againt it. Looking from the outside of both sides... I would have to say the tea party was a lot more civilized, organized and made much more sense.

It wasn't hate rant. It was a video and 3 sentences. One sentence describing the video, one sentence saying I found it funny and one sentence telling the OWS supporters that they can flame me all they want. It's obvious to most of the U.S. that these things aren't doing anything except making gathering places for criminal activity.

Also as you can see by the mini profile to the left of my posts, I'm not a new member.